BvS Batman casting thread for Man Of Steel 2 - Part 6

[Smallville13]

Hadn't considered Joel Edgerton. Not sure if he's right for it though.

I think Karl Urban or Ryan Gosling are my two preferences.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Karl Urban like Ethan Hawke give me doubts in terms of their Bruce Wayne more than their Batman.

 

[Smallville13]

I have no problem picturing Urban as Playboy Wayne.

And he has the right intensity and physicality for Batman too:

 

[Supernewbie]

Here are my fifteen top choices to be the new Batman. Some familiar names, but also some new ones. Hopefully it opens discussion a little bit...

They are in order of preference.

1. Michael Fassbender

Fassbender is, in my opinion, one of the most talented and versatile actors of his generation. I would say that he, Christian Bale and Tom Hardy represent the gold standard. I’ve always through that he would make a great Batman. I think he’s a great compromise for an “older” Batman who also has the ability to continue a franchise/trilogy of solo films. It’s complicated by his schedule and the fact that he already has roles in a number of tentpole franchises (X-Men, Prometheus and potentially Assassins Creed), but if they have even a chance of getting Fassbender they should. Not only is he a credible choice, but he’s also proving to have a box office draw. He has previously worked with Snyder on 300.

2.Jon Hamm

Hamm has long been a fan-favourite for the role. He has the exact appearance I’d want an older Bruce Wayne to have. He has a following from Mad Men and is recognised as a talented actor who has yet to have his big break on film. I could see a future Batman franchise flourishing with Hamm as the lead. He is incredibly charismatic and funny and represents a shift away from a Christian Bale-type actor. However, he has a busy schedule next year with the final season of Mad Men and has been luke-warm to the prospect of being in a comic book film in the past. He is undoubtedly a great choice though, having worked with Snyder before into the bargain. If he’s interested, Snyder/WB should look at adjusting the shooting schedule to accommodate him. It would be well worth it.

This is a great list you've got. Your top 2 are the best, either Fassbender or Hamm would be the best casting choices in Batman movie history. Hope it can happen.

The other 2 on your list that make sense to me for an older Batman is Guy Pierce, and for one not so much older than Cavill, Sam Worthington.

 

[Supernewbie]

6. Guy Pearce

Guy Pearce is an extraordinary talent who has just never got the recognition he deserves. He’s a true chameleon and while I have been iffy on him in the past, I think an “older” Batman is the perfect time to take a look at Pearce. Pearce deserves his “big role”.


10. Sam Worthington

I put Sam down this far on the list because I almost feel that he is too obvious. I think he’d be a great, albeit predictable choice. Should be looked at, although I feel there are better and more Bruce Wayne-like choices out there.

I also like these two.

Guy Pearce has played so many characters throughout his career. He's got quite an acting range and can play all sorts. Though he's older now, so he'd be an older Batman.

Sam Worthington seems to be the "go to" guy for any kind of action/adventure film. He's been a cyborg, an alien, and half-God. So why not a Batman too. I feel he is a "safe" choice.

 

[slumcat]

There are no more young Stallone, Mel Gibson types anymore. So Jason Momoa is all that's left.

Um hello? So why do you think people have been recommend this British gent? Because he's precisely that - a great young action her, something we have a dearth of these days.

 

[spider-neil]

If a meat head is cast as Batman my interest in this move will plummet.

 

[regwec]

There is nothing more inherently racist than insisting someone can not play a fictional character because their skin color is wrong.

Of course there is. What you describe is not inherently racist at all, but potentially racist. A statement like "whites and blacks should not intermarry" is inherently racist. Someone might form a view of why a character's racial makeup is important for a variety of reasons; some may be racist, others may not.

I see a lot of stupidity on both sides of this debate. It seems obvious to me that race/culture is important to some characters and less so to others.

Edit: I don't know what happened to the sticky thread that prohibited the casual use of the word "racist" as a form of abuse, but it made a lot of sense.

 

[slumcat]

I find this bias against action stars being cast in an action film difficult to fathom. I think fanboys are more precious about this film than even Snyder is. Snyder is an action director and has repeatedly said through his career that he loves action and he loves actors with great physicality and his movies show that. He has said that he's a "nerd" film-maker and likes to make "cool and awesome" movies which people get a kick out of. I wonder if people are expecting a Yasujirō Ozu film about the human condition.

Superman/Batman is an action film lest we forget.
And it is being directed by not Ingmar Bergman but by Zack Snyder lest we forget.

 

[regwec]

Slumcat, we know you want Adkins to be Batman.

Pretty much everyone else wants the part to involve more than kicking things, and feels that a proper actor will therefore be a wiser choice.

I'm not sure if your one-man crusade to get Adkins the part is a joke or just a personal hobby, but if it is the former, then it is no longer funny.

 

[Wheels]

I don't doubt that Adkins can be intimidating, but unless he's Batman for the entire film and he never has any Bruce Wayne moments or any quiet scenes, I don't see it. Hell, cast Adkins as The Punisher and let him slaughter people for 2 hours.

 

[regwec]

That's what I mean- it is not some kind of snobbery that leads the opposition to someone like him getting the role. It is the fact that Bruce/Batman is probably the most complex role in the genre, that has consistently been filled by good-to-excellent actors in the past. Giving a martial arts stuntman the role would be like being given the keys to a Harrier as soon as you qualified for your crop-duster license.

By all means make the best use of the guy's talents, by making the most of him in a villain/henchman type role.

 

[spider-neil]

Part of me is a purist and I want the character in the movie to look like the character on the comic book page but a bigger part of me wants the best performance possible from the best actor available and if that means a different colour then so be it.

Pointless discussing it anyway as there is no way on this earth you are going to change the ethnicity of an iconic character.

 

[slumcat]

Slumcat, we know you want Adkins to be Batman.

Pretty much everyone else wants the part to involve more than kicking things, and feels that a proper actor will therefore be a wiser choice.

I'm not sure if your one-man crusade to get Adkins the part is a joke or just a personal hobby, but if it is the former, then it is no longer funny.

Why the **** single me out? Am I the only poster spouting choices? Everyone is, including you, me and any person on this thread. None of us is going to cast. Why is one person's choice more objectionable than another? This is all just ****ing speculation.

How about I say your choices are objectionable and your attempts are funny????

I would address your post in a more civil and thoughtful way but it surely couldn't merit any thoughtful response.

 

[regwec]

Because you are accusing everybody else of bias, and making the unpalatable claim that there isn't much involved in the role in question, justifying the casting of just about anybody. You are also a very determined proponent of an extremely odd choice. Maluka got a lot of ribbing for his militant support of Matt Bomer; your own campaign has largely been politely ignored.

So, no, I don't think my reply was disproportionate. But thanks for your concern.

 

[slumcat]

Bullsh**.

That's surely a conversation starter. You know right opinions or not wrong or right, they are just opinions, each as good or bad as any other? Moving on...

Perhaps that was a little strong on my part

I think being on a forum doesn't preclude the standard etiquettes of grown-up rational mature conversation. It will be more interesting for all us and our engagement would be more substantial if we practice it I think.

 

[blaberskite]

By far the worst suggestion I've seen on here is Sam Worthington, the guy is a charisma vacuum, he has absolutely no screen presence what so ever, who ever plays batman it has to be someone with genuine screen presence and that doesn't mean he has to be the greatest actor in the world just some one who can command the screen.

 

[slumcat]

Because you are accusing everybody else of bias, and making the unpalatable claim that there isn't much involved in the role in question, justifying the casting of just about anybody. You are also a very determined proponent of an extremely odd choice. Maluka got a lot of ribbing for his militant support of Matt Bomer; your own campaign has largely been politely ignored.

So, no, I don't think my reply was disproportionate. But thanks for your concern.

I had the politeness and good sense to address the forum at large, can't the same about you.

And it's always about the choice, not the one proposing it. I would criticize an actor or a choice, why would I criticize the person making it? A person is free to propose what he wants. Everyone is.

And I don't mind ribbing or jokes in good faith. I mind entitled nastiness where somebody's choice is more valid than someone else's when all this is pretty much inconsequential speculation.

 

[regwec]

This is a discussion board, and people's choices will be discussed. If you are too fragile for this interchange, then feel free to set me to "ignore", or even choose a different site from which to conduct your campaign.

 

[slumcat]

Yeah "discussion" thread, not "attack" thread, adults conceive of the word "discussion" differently than you do.

Attack Adkins all you want, abuse him and wish him death but don't do the same to me. Disagree with me, that's perfectly fine, and I will respond for a discussion. Don't tell me what to do or how I should think.

 

[regwec]

Yeah "discussion" thread, not "attack" thread, adults conceive of the word "discussion" differently than you do.

Attacking Adkins all you want, abuse him and wish him death but don't do the same to me. Disagree with me, that's perfectly fine, and I will respond for a discussion. Don't tell me what to do or how I should think.

You are the one being petulant and childish. What you describe has not happened. Either you are implausibly sensitive, or just trolling.

 

[Tempest]

Of course there is. What you describe is not inherently racist at all, but potentially racist. A statement like "whites and blacks should not intermarry" is inherently racist. Someone might form a view of why a character's racial makeup is important for a variety of reasons; some may be racist, others may not.

I see a lot of stupidity on both sides of this debate. It seems obvious to me that race/culture is important to some characters and less so to others.

Edit: I don't know what happened to the sticky thread that prohibited the casual use of the word "racist" as a form of abuse, but it made a lot of sense.

When people flip out and start shrieking at the top of their lungs that Batman could never be black, should never be black, etc, etc....then that is badly disguised racism.

It's fine to say in measured tones that you would prefer Batman to remain the same. Suggesting that the world itself will end at the mere wisp of an idea that Batman could become an ethnic, non-white character, is in fact, very, very racist.

But regardless, either response is obnoxious. For all the white-washing Hollywood has done to ethnic characters, I suggest you all get over it. Stop showing your asses to the world by getting upset over an idea that is never going to happen because of people like you.

Edit: Just wanted to clarify that 'you' in this case is not directed at regwec, but at fandom at large.

And also, if it sounds like racism, and looks like racism, but you swear it isn't racism...it's probably still racist. At the very best circumstances, it shows how prejudiced you are, and that isn't a good place to be standing either.

 

[Doctor Jones]

When people flip out and start shrieking at the top of their lungs that Batman could never be black, should never be black, etc, etc....then that is badly disguised racism.

It's fine to say in measured tones that you would prefer Batman to remain the same. Suggesting that the world itself will end at the mere wisp of an idea that Batman could become an ethnic, non-white character, is in fact, very, very racist.

But regardless, either response is obnoxious. For all the white-washing Hollywood has done to ethnic characters, I suggest you all get over it. Stop showing your asses to the world by getting upset over an idea that is never going to happen because of people like you.

Edit: Just wanted to clarify that 'you' in this case is not directed at regwec, but at fandom at large.

And also, if it sounds like racism, and looks like racism, but you swear it isn't racism...it's probably still racist. At the very best circumstances, it shows how prejudiced you are, and that isn't a good place to be standing either.

When has this ever occurred here though?

The thing is, it somewhat strikes me more as change for the sake of change.

There are people who prefer he stays the same because he has after 70 years and that there's actually a reasonable explanation as to why he can stay white. There's nothing wrong with wanting to stick to that. I'm in that camp. There's a distinct difference here. I'm a pretty liberal guy myself, but in this case, I wouldn't be a big fan of the change.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Crap. I knew someone was going to seriously suggest Worthlesston.

I'm sorry, but I don't want Batman to have an Australian accent that the world's best voice changer couldn't cover up.

Also, playing a three-sided character (Batman/Real Bruce/Public Persona Bruce) requires an actor who can do more than glower at people.

 

[DSunny]

Wow, surprised no one has mentioned:

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Who's the guy in the second pic? Looks familiar, but I can't quite place him.