Batman: Gotham After Midnight

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Oh here we go Batfans.


This is either the most mediocre or the worst Batman story EVER WRITTEN!


almost as bad as Joker's Last Laugh????????


What the hell! Wasting a 12 issue arc on this? Were there any good parts or did it lack all originality?

I dunno, what do you guys think?
 
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I haven't read it yet I just picked it up for Kelley Jones' art. If it's as good as his earlier Batman stuff it'll be worth it for me just for the art.
 
Almost forgot about this. Skip it. The story is weak and the art isn't even prime Kelley.
 
Almost forgot about this. Skip it. The story is weak and the art isn't even prime Kelley.

I have yet to get the last issue, so Im still deciding what I think of the story (I usually like to wait until the end of an arc/storyline/series/whatever to judge).

I agree with you on the art. When Kelley takes his time and does his best, his art has a very dark, gothic, even lush appeal to it. He can also go surreal/avant garde, which can go either way. This time around, it just seems like he rushed when it came to the art.

Also, why the hell does Batman have a red crease about him whenever he croutches, scowls, and poses? White or blue would have looked much better.
 
I kinda stop reading after issue 3 or 4. Will pick up the trade, I think
 
I haven't read it yet but hey, it can't be as bad as Haunted Gotham. this is an earlier Moench Kelley book that is so boring and preposterously stupid I couldn't even get a third of the way through. Batman parents are killed by a werewolf, Thomas Wayne was part of a occult sect that trusted the Batman costume to young Bruce Wayne to discover in a vault when he grows up, and the Joker is a reanimated Frankenstein with the brains of Mr Wayne himself. It remains one of the most annoying purchases I've ever made.

the thing is, Moench & Kelleys early 1990's run is still uncollected! this a frustrating discrepancy, it's easily their best work on batman and a classic run in itself
 
I haven't read it yet but hey, it can't be as bad as Haunted Gotham. this is an earlier Moench Kelley book that is so boring and preposterously stupid I couldn't even get a third of the way through. Batman parents are killed by a werewolf, Thomas Wayne was part of a occult sect that trusted the Batman costume to young Bruce Wayne to discover in a vault when he grows up, and the Joker is a reanimated Frankenstein with the brains of Mr Wayne himself. It remains one of the most annoying purchases I've ever made.

the thing is, Moench & Kelleys early 1990's run is still uncollected! this a frustrating discrepancy, it's easily their best work on batman and a classic run in itself

Yes, that was horrible.
 
I haven't read it yet but hey, it can't be as bad as Haunted Gotham. this is an earlier Moench Kelley book that is so boring and preposterously stupid I couldn't even get a third of the way through. Batman parents are killed by a werewolf, Thomas Wayne was part of a occult sect that trusted the Batman costume to young Bruce Wayne to discover in a vault when he grows up, and the Joker is a reanimated Frankenstein with the brains of Mr Wayne himself. It remains one of the most annoying purchases I've ever made.
I might be wrong about this, but wasn't haunted gotham released near the end of the no man's land saga? it surely wasn't one of their earlier works.

the thing is, Moench & Kelleys early 1990's run is still uncollected! this a frustrating discrepancy, it's easily their best work on batman and a classic run in itself
There are many batman runs out there that would really deserv it to be collected in trades. And Moench & Jones' run from the 90's is seriously one of those. I loved it so much how those guys influenced batman's gothic nature and almost perfected it to it's limits.
 
Well, I finally got all 12 issues read...

THAT was an ORDEAL!!


Awful, boring, bland, unnecessary and uninspiring story... that DC should never have let run for 12 issues!! I saw the twist coming from a mile away and the villains were written terribly. Plus Batman was far too melodramatic.


As for the art... while I can be a fan of Kelly Jones at times, I have to say that I just HATED looking at this series. Every page looked sloppy, rushed and just plain bad. Sure he comes up with some interesting ideas but a few issues in, it does get tiresome. Awful, awful, awful.

Save your money.. I wish I had!

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And did anyone else get a strong Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm vibe from the story...

The lover being the villain (Andrea Beaumont being Phantasm, etc.)

Plus the whole... 'Why couldn't I save her Alfred?' from the final issue... and Alfred saying ''dont fall into that dark abyss, Bruce!'.

Watch the last scene from the movie... Its practically lifted straight from it.
 
Those that want soap opera events like Batman "dieing", becoming a caveman, having a bastard son and being replaced will not find it in Gotham After Midnight. There's no Damian here or any of that. If that's what you want, read R.I.P., Final Crisis, Battle For The Cowl, Batman and Robin, etc. And I can understand how Kelley Jones' style is too different from mainstream-super-hero-style art for some comics fans. However, if you want something where Batman's still Batman and has no kid and if you like Kelley Jones' style and you like Batman stories that have an element of horror, then you might enjoy Gotham After Midnight. It's a fun read for a Batman fan looking for a change from the events in the other titles. I just want entertaining Batman adventures about Batman fighting crime with atmospheric art, which is why I enjoy the Bat-comics by Finger/Kane, O'Neil/Adams, Engelhart/Rogers, Miller, Monech/Jones, Niles/Jones Gotham After Midnight, and Miller/Lee All-Star Batman & Robin whenever it comes out, I don't buy into these lame old "Death of" gimmicks. As Frank Miller said "You can't kill him! Nobody's gonna believe it: he's Batman. He'll go on forever. I mean, you're not going to convince me he's dead." And I'm not interested in anyone else as Batman. I don't like big gimmicky character shattering events. As Walter Simonson said in Wizard, "After "The Death of Superman" the company then expected us to produce that constantly. They wanted one huge event after another. We'd usually do smaller stories. After "The Death of Superman" they just wanted giant story arcs. It got a little boring because you couldn't vary it. We were a little tired of it." Jon Bogdanove said, "Superman in that silly electric suit or Superman Red/Superman Blue, that was a product of an atmosphere of expectation. "What are you going to do to top the death of Superman? What's the next event going to be?" And of course, they weren't natural. They came from the pressure to create the next big event and it got to be less fun for everybody." I like short stories. My favorite Batman story is a short one-issue story called "There Is No Hope In Crime Alley" by Denny O'Neil featuring Batman fighting real world street crimes, muggings, robberies, helping elderly people and flashing back to his parents murder. It's a short simple story, and a touching one with emotional impact.

Personally, for me, Gotham After Midnight rocks. It's a fun read with a touch of nostalgia. Gotham After Midnight is short storylines with a continuing subplot within a 12 issue series. Each issue has a singular, encapsulated story—with each featuring a different Batman villain—but there is the structure of an over-arc to the entirety of the book. A different villain—each two to three issues have a slight mini-arc to them with one overriding story over the entire 12 issues. It features Batman fighting many of his classic villains, the Joker being very creepy with a plot involving children and cannibalism,
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it's great to see Clayface and he's never looked stranger and more grotesque,
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Scarecrow, Man-Bat, Croc
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Catwoman (She hasn’t been a villain in Batman comics for a long time),
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and the mysterious Midnight.
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Batman has cool new toys, a new Batmobile and a Bat-Robot combat suit,
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a new Batcomputer,
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and Batman has a new girlfriend, April Clarkson.
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Gotham After Midnight is also a tribute to the classic Gothic horror expressionistic films of the '20s and '30s. The title is a take on the lost silent horror film London After Midnight starring Lon Chaney. Midnight is a tribute the Phantom in The Phantom of the Opera starring Lon Chaney. The windmile scene in Gotham After Midnight is a homage to Frankenstein starring Boris Karloff. The great thing about those visual horror films is there's real potential for strong, beautiful imagery. It's the one genre that really lends itself to creating strong images. And I've always loved that idea of windmills - your mind aimlessly spinning. I don't know what the symbolism of it is but it's beautiful. The reference to Dr. Lajos in issue 5. Dr. Lejos was the pseudonym Dracula (Bela Legusi) used in Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein. I love those classic horror movies and I've always loved Batman stories that have elements of horror. It only goes to show what a versatile character Batman is.

This series hasn't been getting the attention it deserves because it's out of the mainstream New Earth DCU continuity so it doesn't have anything to do with gimmicks like Batman getting fried by Darkseid in Final Crisis, or Batman having a kid or if Dr. Hurt is the devil in R.I.P., or Batman's funeral in Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader, or Batman replacements. It's sad that you apparently have to resort to gimmicks in comics today in order to get people to pay attention.
I love what Steve Niles said about that,

"I really want this to be the kind of Batman book that, if by some chance somebody who isn’t that familiar with the character in the comics wants to pick up a Batman comic, these folks could pick up issue #3 and get a story. And then, hopefully, they’ll want to go back and get #1 and 2 and then go back and get #4 when it comes out. Some of the current attitudes for writing comics are a little more geared towards the writing of something like a television show like Lost than actual comic books themselves. Lost, to me, is a soap opera—and in soap operas they stretch things out. I just think the trend of long, slow stories doesn’t interest me. I think shorter stories leads to more enjoyment per comic book—when you look at a story that is part three of twelve—you are getting less of an issue of the comic book. And I’ve had editors call me and say, “Are you sure you want to do this? We could spread this out over a couple of issues…” and I’d much rather just pack this thing and really not stretch the reader out. If I can give readers something that doesn’t stretch a short story out—something with some real substance—in a twelve issue series, I’m going to be really happy."
NRAMA: Does Gotham After Midnight fall into regular continuity with Batman RIP and Final Crisis on the horizon?
SN: Absolutely not. This is Batman, Commissioner Gordon, Bruce Wayne, and some new characters I’m inventing—there’s no Robin and there is no connection to what is currently going on in the DC Universe.

I've been a fan of the art of Kelley Jones since his Deadman series in 1989. Niles plays to Jones strengths giving some disturbing visuals, like Midnight takes off his mask to reveal his face, and with Clayface devouring up people left and right. This series is really awesome if you can get into it. Kelley Jones' art is as fantastically trippy, strange and grotesque as ever! And the story by Steve Niles is fun.
 
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I kinda feel like giving it a go after seeing those pics ^ (not that I agree with your criticisms of the main books in the slightest). How does it compare to Red Rain/ Haunted Gotham and/or their 90's run Man-Bat?

I might be wrong about this, but wasn't haunted gotham released near the end of the no man's land saga? it surely wasn't one of their earlier works.

There are many batman runs out there that would really deserv it to be collected in trades. And Moench & Jones' run from the 90's is seriously one of those. I loved it so much how those guys influenced batman's gothic nature and almost perfected it to it's limits.

I meant earlier than Gotham at Midnight :cwink:


Moench & Kelly Jones
Moench & Gene Colan
Grant, Wagner & Breyfogle
Peter Milligans Detective

this shiiiit needs to be collected! starting with Colans run first
 
I kinda feel like giving it a go after seeing those pics ^

You should. And you see, the art is obviously not really rushed. There's actually a lot of detail there.
The Gotham After Midnight TPB is releasing on September 8th.
http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781401222383

(not that I agree with your criticisms of the main books in the slightest).
The last time I enjoyed the main books was in fact the Moench/Jones 1995-1998 run Batman #515 to 552. We were actually getting a 20-odd page graphic novel on a monthly basis. Telling actual and complete stories rather than mere pieces of mega-crossovers or mere pieces of one story that drags on for a year. It was complete Batman tales presented start to finish in the same title. Every story would end in the title it began in, no story was longer than three issues and they'd give you many complete-in-this-issue adventures during the Moench/Jones run, and then you'd move onto the next. There were a lot of unusual guest stars during the run that you usually don't see in the Batman titles: Swamp Thing, Deadman (with glow in the dark covers), the Spectre, the Demon, Ragman. That long run should to be collected into TPBs.

How does it compare to Red Rain/ Haunted Gotham and/or their 90's run Man-Bat?
It's not as intense as the Vampire Trilogy because Batman isn't a vampire killing people in Gotham After Midnight. Gotham After Midnight is like an extension of the '90s Moench/Jones run. Gotham After Midnight is much better than Haunted Gotham.
 
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