Batman OYL discussion thread

[sinewave]

so, let's speculate on what bruce plans on discussing with tim. we know it's not about gaining legal custody of him, since that was already attempted and tim declined the offer. i'm guessing it's one of two things, 1) bruce would like to make tim his beneficiary and heir to the wayne fortune, or 2) bruce would like to officially offer the role of batman to tim once he finally retires. anybody else got any other possibilities or opinions?

 

[Binker]

I think he'll try again on the custody. If you think about it, one of things Batman mentioned on the plans for Tim was he remembered how he declined for a sidekick. Thats my top choice. My second top choice is what you said of Tim maybe becoming Batman. If thats the case, Tim would think back on the possible future seen in Teen Titans "The Future is Now" and that idea would affect the upcoming "Batman and Son" arc. Either or.

Basically, everything related to Tim is a clue. We can figure it out.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The likeliest thing seems to be #2 at the moment. Dick's declared that he wants to be his own man and doesn't feel that Batman is where his future lies. Plus, let's face it: Tim's smarter and better at detective work than the rest of the Bat family (except Babs) put together. He's been Batman's heir in spirit and MO for years already, far more than Dick the acrobat or Cassie the fighter or Babs the hacker.

Outside of that, I can't really think of anything else Bruce would have to offer Tim. He tried adopting him and Tim declined. It'd be a major betrayal, in my opinion, for Bruce to will the bulk of his possessions to anyone other than Dick or Alfred (though I could see him including Tim in his will for a piece of the pie). Nothing else really jumps into my head...

 

[The Caped Knight]

so, let's speculate on what bruce plans on discussing with tim. we know it's not about gaining legal custody of him, since that was already attempted and tim declined the offer. i'm guessing it's one of two things, 1) bruce would like to make tim his beneficiary and heir to the wayne fortune, or 2) bruce would like to officially offer the role of batman to tim once he finally retires. anybody else got any other possibilities or opinions?

That's excatly what I'm thinking . Tim has proven he's worthy of taking up The Mantel of BATMAN.

BATS scared the crap out of Crane . [I must say adding The Scarecrow from BATMAN BEGINS is a very nice touch .]

 

[Fledermaus]

Its not really the Scarecrow from Batman Begins. Crane didn't have a noose around his neck in Begins. It's more like the animated version, IMO.

 

[sinewave]

i guess another possiblity could be that bruce is already aware of the fact that he's got a kid (with talia) and maybe he's trying to break that to tim and possibly ask that tim take the kid under his wing and train him as a side-kick furhter down the road.

 

[sinewave]

Its not really the Scarecrow from Batman Begins. Crane didn't have a noose around his neck in Begins. It's more like the animated version, IMO.

i think he did have a rope around his neck in BB. i'll try and find a picture...

edit: here you go. there's clearly a rope/noose around his neck in this pic.

 

[Fledermaus]

I stand corrected. Nice nips as well.

Check this out from silverbulletcomics.com:
• Both Johns and DiDio insisted that their intentions about Infinite Crisis did not change at all during the production of the series (e.g. Superboy Prime was never intended to join the Legion of Super-Heroes; the multiverse was never intended to return permanently, Infinite Crisis was never intended to reboot continuity). Johns said, “The [current DCU] Earth is 99.9% the same Earth [as before Infinite Crisis.” DiDio described three “subtle” changes to continuity as a result of Infinite Crisis: certain details about Superman’s adolescence, Wonder Woman’s re-establishment as a founding member of the Justice League of America, and Batman’s apprehension of Joe Chill, the man responsible for his parents’ murder;

So Batman caught him. We have to see that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'll probably be in Batman Confidential.

 

[warren_sparta27]

i'm think that Bruce will try to gain legal custody of Tim again.
but whatever it is it will be great, the current arc has been excellent.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Bruce trying to adopt Tim again would suck.

 

[warren_sparta27]

maybe, but they have some great writers on Batman at the moment, so whatever then plan on doing i have no worries.

 

[sinewave]

but why try to adopt a 17 year old? he'll be a legal adult in another year, and he's already proven he's mature enough to live on his own. unless it's for legal reasons like making him one of bruce's beneficiaries.

 

[trustyside-kick]

One thing I am liking is this Jason Bard character. Pretty cool to see him do his work by day and Bat's work by night.

Face the Face is great so far. When reading the part with Batman getting ready to ask Tim something...him possibly adopting him never came into my mind.

 

[kiuju2k]

Ok so they're saying the crisis starting from identity crisis was just to make subtle retcons to batman, superman, and wonderwoman? What a waste. I like to give them more credit than that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

but why try to adopt a 17 year old? he'll be a legal adult in another year, and he's already proven he's mature enough to live on his own. unless it's for legal reasons like making him one of bruce's beneficiaries.

I'm fairly sure you can will things to people who aren't legally related to you. Tim's probably already in Bruce's will for some amount of his fortune.

The fact that Tim will soon be a legal adult is a good one, but I think the most important one against the adoption idea is that Bruce already tried it. Tim wasn't interested. He was so uninterested, in fact, that he devised an elaborate ploy involving a fake "long-lost uncle" to have a legal guardian other than Bruce without hurting Bruce's feelings. Not to mention the fact that Tim's stepmom is probably out of the hospital by now, given that she's had a whole year to recover from the trauma of losing Tim's dad. She'd be his legal guardian.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Honestly when Bruce was hinting at wanting to ask Tim something...adoption never came to mind...and I doubt that is what it is.

 

[sinewave]

I'm fairly sure you can will things to people who aren't legally related to you. Tim's probably already in Bruce's will for some amount of his fortune.

The fact that Tim will soon be a legal adult is a good one, but I think the most important one against the adoption idea is that Bruce already tried it. Tim wasn't interested. He was so uninterested, in fact, that he devised an elaborate ploy involving a fake "long-lost uncle" to have a legal guardian other than Bruce without hurting Bruce's feelings. Not to mention the fact that Tim's stepmom is probably out of the hospital by now, given that she's had a whole year to recover from the trauma of losing Tim's dad. She'd be his legal guardian.

yeah, i'm aware of tim's scheme to avoid adoption. as far as his stepmom, wasn't she proven mentally unstable and thus not a suitable guardian for him?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't remember but if she was, it was over a year ago. She could have recovered by now.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

i wouldnt dismiss the whole adoption thing just yet, the whole uncle was a different tim. the tim we see now is entirely different, he said he'll never become like batman/bruce, and look whats happened he is. he might be open for the whole adoption angle.

 

[warren_sparta27]

after reading the book again, i think Bat's is planning on handing the mantle of to Tim.

 

[Anubis]

That's what I think too. I also think Tim's gonna tell him to go to hell.

 

[Mister J]

I just got caught up on 'Face to Face' and it continues to be a good read. Part 8 should be a great end with Harvey back to raising hell. I liked the moment that Bats had with Harper, making amends for brushing her off early on in the arc. The way he spoke about Tim was good too. Outside of what's been mentioned already, I'm clueless on what this idea is that he has for Tim.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Just read Detective Comics 820 last night. Pretty good issue. I really dug Batman's speech to Scarecrow near the end. And then Robin adding a nice little one liner at the end, good down to earth Batman stuff there. The artwork was very nice in this issue and that really enhanced some of the action sequences.

I wonder what Bruce wants to ask Tim as well. Maybe he's going to offer Tim a job at Wayne Enterprises or something. It's a possibility. I don't think it's the adoption thing considering they already touched upon that. But they may bring it up again considering that its been "One Year Later" and everything.

But this is a fine storyline and it'll be interesting to find out who the real killer is...and then we march on into two new creative teams who show a ridiculous amount of promise on the books, I'm really looking forward to it.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

after reading the book again, i think Bat's is planning on handing the mantle of to Tim.

haha hell no. in the second part of face to face, batman says that tim has lost his father and best friend, and he(bruce) feels responsible for it. the last thing bruce is gonna give robin is the bat mantle to tim as consolation. your father died,girlfriend died, and best freind died, yup im gonna give you the bat mantle. i just dont see it.