Batman R.I.P.

[sclabguy]

in batman begins he's 30 years old, which is too old for his begining IMO

 

[Nepenthes]

^ it's not really accurate but if being older works better onscreen then who cares. Being totally accurate to the comics would ruin these films. For instance a 25 year old Batman would feel far to McG.

 

[Kokomo29]

God, I feel like a complete moron for asking this but I have been searching for answers everywhere. Is Batman really going to die? Is someone going to take over for him permanently? Can you guys help me on this one, 'cause I have not been keeping up with the comics and am almost afraid to since all this R.I.P. news broke out

 

[FCEEVIPER]

God, I feel like a complete moron for asking this but I have been searching for answers everywhere. Is Batman really going to die? Is someone going to take over for him permanently? Can you guys help me on this one, 'cause I have not been keeping up with the comics and am almost afraid to since all this R.I.P. news broke out

He won't die, But...
Whatever happens in this story line, believe me, in around 12 issues after the RIP arch: Bruce Wayne will still be Batman, Gordon will still be the Commish, Alfred will still be batman's butler, Wayne's parents will still be dead- with their same story line in tact.

Just like with Knightfall.

 

[Batman]

With Dixon and Moench at the helm, I could understand thinking that.

With Morrison, I'm not so sure.

 

[DW4]

Bruce Wayne won't die.

 

[Kokomo29]

He better not, or I am never reading Batman comics again... well, for a while at least.

 

[66 Face]

Bruce Wayne won't die.

I'm thinking that he will die and then he'll be thrown in one of Ras's pits.

 

[The Rocketeer]

They won't kill the Batman. If they do, it'll just be like Knightfall, the Doomsday Series, or even a death in the family. He'll come back in a few months. DC can't afford to permanantly loose part of the Trilogy. Just a publicity stunt if you ask me.

 

[Nepenthes]

God, I feel like a complete moron for asking this but I have been searching for answers everywhere. Is Batman really going to die? Is someone going to take over for him permanently? Can you guys help me on this one, 'cause I have not been keeping up with the comics and am almost afraid to since all this R.I.P. news broke out

Do you really feel almost afraid when you hear that Batman is "going to die"?

if you dont keep up with comics then why do you care? You'd probably say something like "well he's a childhood icon" right? Well rest assured he's going to be around for a while. On TV and and in movies and eveywhere else. The people who actually read the stories though can handle a comic book character getting thrown through hoops. It's what superhero/detective stories are all about. Batman comics have been building to this story for decades now......

 

[Kokomo29]

Do you really feel almost afraid when you hear that Batman is "going to die"?

if you dont keep up with comics then why do you care? You'd probably say something like "well he's a childhood icon" right? Well rest assured he's going to be around for a while. On TV and and in movies and eveywhere else. The people who actually read the stories though can handle a comic book character getting thrown through hoops. It's what superhero/detective stories are all about. Batman comics have been building to this story for decades now......

Can I be honest with you? You totally just hit it on the head right there. That is exactly what I am thinking. Like, I know that he will always be around in media, but I sometimes fear that an absence from the comics will one day lead to an absence in outside media forms, ya know? It just scares me to think that my favorite comic book character could die... or be replaced with someone else in the role. I dunno, maybe I am looking into it way too much, but I just hope that DC knows what they are doing.

 

[Hyden]

Can I be honest with you? You totally just hit it on the head right there. That is exactly what I am thinking. Like, I know that he will always be around in media, but I sometimes fear that an absence from the comics will one day lead to an absence in outside media forms, ya know? It just scares me to think that my favorite comic book character could die... or be replaced with someone else in the role. I dunno, maybe I am looking into it way too much, but I just hope that DC knows what they are doing.

for some reason the phrase "comic-book death" comes to mind.

 

[ThreeActRomance]

i'm actually REALLY enjoying Batman RIP. I know Grant Morrison is totally bat**** crazy...but this is actually really good.

 

[twilitezoner]

With Dixon and Moench at the helm, I could understand thinking that.

With Morrison, I'm not so sure.

I agree. You never know what will be next with Morrison.

 

[ThreeActRomance]

i just thought of this, don't know if anyone else has come up with the exact same theory or not.

I'm thinking there's a bigger mastermind than just Dr. Hurt. I'm thinking, Ra's Al Ghul.

Bear with me.

Say this, Ra's has been following the Waynes for years-even when Bruce was a child. Maybe Ra's was the mastermind who 'killed' Bruce's parents, and sent Bruce on his path to becoming the Batman.

Now Either Thomas Wayne was in on this, or was really shot and then revived by one of Ra's Al Ghul's Lazarus Pits.

I think Doctor Hurt is Thomas Wayne, and I think that there's a bigger villian behind the curtain that we haven't seen yet (Ra's).

Just an idea....

 

[TruerToTheCore]

LOL. THere are IN FACT people who are worried by the coming "death" of Batman? First of all, he is fictional. He can exist forever. And he can forever be in his 30s. Don't make problems where no problems are.

This is "serial fiction". Every issue happens "now".

 

[TonySoprano]

Dan DiDio has already stated that while Batman may not die in RIP his fate may be much worse than death.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Say this, Ra's has been following the Waynes for years-even when Bruce was a child. Maybe Ra's was the mastermind who 'killed' Bruce's parents, and sent Bruce on his path to becoming the Batman.

That was part of the plot behind Batman Begins.

 

[AgentGraves!]

I had talked with a friend of mine - he says that he heard that the whole Idea of this is to make BATMAN a Legacy character.


A Character who changes every so often. The mantel gets passed on every so many years to a new "BATMAN" and that Bruce had decided this when he was on the island with all those other BAT-MEN. something to that effect.

 

[AgentGraves!]

Thats what I've been saying.



I thought that too but I dont think its really going to turn out that way.

you just watch.

That is what this WHOLE thing is about - If anything - and just to recap


Sin-A-re-o ONE) Dr.Hurt is Thomas Wayne, Thomas Wayne is Bruce Wayne The man in the Cave - pfft, An escaped BATMAN from World 15 (I think, have to double check, I seen something in one of the Countdown issuses to back that one up - I just have to find it) A lot of things point to this like when Bruce dissapeared and came back (tah-dah!) all different. yup.


Sin-A-re-o TWO) It's clear that Jez is in on this - it's been made a point. There is a shot of Dr. Hurt saying something like "now the pressure is on all we have to do is give it a little push..." Then cut to The cave, Bruce and Jez, She starts talking about the need for Batman and all this stuff to make him doubt himself...she's the button. This is also why she is able to collect the Black Envolopes. and perhaps, this one is a far fetched one ready? Jez is Poison Ivy - YEAH! in disguise. this is why Bruce is able to follow her like a lost puppy...awww..

BUT!

The real Sin-A-re-o here is Number one. Even in the last issue a lot of things point out that case. Numberology ect. ect.

 

[Drz]

I would say its really disappointing if this bad guy is just from some other universe. like Batman from earth-15

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

I had talked with a friend of mine - he says that he heard that the whole Idea of this is to make BATMAN a Legacy character.


A Character who changes every so often. The mantel gets passed on every so many years to a new "BATMAN" and that Bruce had decided this when he was on the island with all those other BAT-MEN. something to that effect.

I sure hope not... I have always liked that Bruce is one of the few, along with Clark Kent who have always been the same person.... not like Green Lantern etc. where there have been a bunch of them. I hope and expect there will always be only one Batman and it will always be Bruce Wayne. Besides if they are going to do that, then whats the point of all the other batman-family characters who are there to draw in readers not as interested in Bruce etc.?

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

you just watch.

Sin-A-re-o TWO) It's clear that Jez is in on this - it's been made a point. There is a shot of Dr. Hurt saying something like "now the pressure is on all we have to do is give it a little push..." Then cut to The cave, Bruce and Jez, She starts talking about the need for Batman and all this stuff to make him doubt himself...she's the button. This is also why she is able to collect the Black Envolopes. and perhaps, this one is a far fetched one ready? Jez is Poison Ivy - YEAH! in disguise. this is why Bruce is able to follow her like a lost puppy...awww..

I think it would be cool if this was the case, mostly because i am a bigy Ivy fan going back to 181.... but there are a few problems: 1. Ivy isn't black... she might be green sometimes but is usually white and I have never seen her with Black skin. 2. wouldn't that mean she can't kiss Bruce because of her poisonous kiss? 3. Wouldn't Bruce be able to tell if it was ivy after that quasi-relationship they had when he "cured her"? 4. wouldn't she have done something more than she has in the comics if she was Ivy... not sure what exactly but I feel like she would destroy the batcave or reveal to the world Bruce is Batman or something

 

[David Rice]

you just watch.

That is what this WHOLE thing is about - If anything - and just to recap


Sin-A-re-o ONE) Dr.Hurt is Thomas Wayne, Thomas Wayne is Bruce Wayne The man in the Cave - pfft, An escaped BATMAN from World 15 (I think, have to double check, I seen something in one of the Countdown issuses to back that one up - I just have to find it) A lot of things point to this like when Bruce dissapeared and came back (tah-dah!) all different. yup.


Sin-A-re-o TWO) It's clear that Jez is in on this - it's been made a point. There is a shot of Dr. Hurt saying something like "now the pressure is on all we have to do is give it a little push..." Then cut to The cave, Bruce and Jez, She starts talking about the need for Batman and all this stuff to make him doubt himself...she's the button. This is also why she is able to collect the Black Envolopes. and perhaps, this one is a far fetched one ready? Jez is Poison Ivy - YEAH! in disguise. this is why Bruce is able to follow her like a lost puppy...awww..

BUT!

The real Sin-A-re-o here is Number one. Even in the last issue a lot of things point out that case. Numberology ect. ect.

And Batman wouldn't know his classic foe by looking at her? I doubt it.

 

[Nepenthes]

I think it would be cool if this was the case, mostly because i am a bigy Ivy fan going back to 181.... but there are a few problems: 1. Ivy isn't black... she might be green sometimes but is usually white and I have never seen her with Black skin. 2. wouldn't that mean she can't kiss Bruce because of her poisonous kiss? 3. Wouldn't Bruce be able to tell if it was ivy after that quasi-relationship they had when he "cured her"? 4. wouldn't she have done something more than she has in the comics if she was Ivy... not sure what exactly but I feel like she would destroy the batcave or reveal to the world Bruce is Batman or something

Not that I believe it's true...but it could still reasonably be Poison Ivy. In Face the Face Batman notes how she's returned more powerful than ever. 1. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that she can change her own pigment, she is already capable of subtly altering her appearance. 2. with more control she could easily turn off her kiss. 3. her drugs would cloud his thinking, as Graves pointed out, prohibiting Batman from figuring her out (this is would actually be kinda cool if it wasn't slightly overused by now) 4. true, her motives at this stage would be unclear. In Face the Face she says she is over hurting batman and she's only concerned with saving the world now. This is one of her more manic and unbalanced phases however so it may not be so true. Then in Dini's Detective she's in Arkham and still delightfully sociopathic even though she expresses no desire to hurt Batman. Those were her last two meaningful appearances. I don't see what her motive in the Black Glove would be other than to hurt Batman, unless the group is also concerned with land rights for persecuted flora and we just don't know it yet.



I think Jezebel is an unwitting puppet of the Glove. That she appears so scripted and contrived is for a reason. She actually is, literally, not just by Morrison but the Glove