Batman R.I.P.

[Two-Face=Badass]

the thing is, he can write excellent stories, and excellent batman stories at that (re: arkham asylum)

however, he seems determined to persue this "history changing epic" nonsense instead of judt writing well. i hope he isn't really messing with the mythos. the story of his origin, and who his parents are, is all important. you don't mess with this stuff.

it's cheap and tiresome. it is much easier to change the history of batman than it is to write a good story, apparently. anyone could write a story that makes thomas wayne a fiend and his wife a junkie. it's easy to write a story that is simply a lame "gotcha". alfred is his actual father? that's akin to bruce just waking up in a mental hospital to find it was all a dream.

hopefully, morrison has more sense than this. i always thought he did.

however, should he do what i think he's going to do, i'll never purchase anything he ever writes. i'll never read a new batman story. i'm not even wasting my money on RIP. i read it there and then in the shop, and it gives me a moan and a whinge to get me through the day.

come on morrison; make posts like this redundant. don't mess with the waynes. it's unwise, and uncreative, and quite frankly beneath you.

Quoted for truth. I swear, if they retcon his origin, I'm just going to buy all the comics BEFORE this lame stunt of an arc, and wait till someone with some common sense puts it back.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

They will retcon his origin for about... 6 months, until someone restores the iconic version.

 

[Cobblepot]

I've read RIP so far, but the Morrison issues make no sense at all.

I'm also having a lot of trouble of reading the entire arc in chronical order, can anyone give me the order the issues should be read.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I've read RIP so far, but the Morrison issues make no sense at all.

I'm also having a lot of trouble of reading the entire arc in chronical order, can anyone give me the order the issues should be read.

i believe this is the right order:

Detective(comes before RIP events)
RIP
Robin(which happens between the last two RIP issues)
Nightwing(happens after the events of RIP)
The Outsiders(not sure where this falls, but either during or after RIP)

 

[sclabguy]

even though it's makes no sense AT ALL i like how the art is gritty and rough

 

[gqxsensazn]

Tony Daniel is the reason I'm still buying Batman. I'm not a hardcore Grant Morrison fan, but the art is great.

 

[Saint]

What's so hard to understand? Dr. Hurt and his lackeys attack, using a trigger word they conditioned Bruce with years ago (during the isolation chamber experiment) to effectively suppress his memories and personality. They drug him up and leave him on the street, where Bruce's contingency plan for such a thing kicks in; things he sees trigger the back-up personality he conditioned himself with (one inspired by a hallucination of an alien Batman caused by a gas attack years earlier).

 

[Majic Walrus]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

 

[Saint]

I'm not. It was certainly confusing one or two issues ago, but enough pieces have come together now that what has happened makes sense. Obviously there are still questions to be answered (especially regarding Hurt's motives and plans), nothing that's happened so far still has me thinking "I don't understand what just happened."

 

[Majic Walrus]

Okay I see what you mean. I understand what's going on but I still think the plot is pretty strange. The confusing part for me is ZEA. You see until that last post of yours I really had no definite concept of what happened in Batman ZEA's appearance. I wasn't around to read the story and finding stuff online about an obscure Batman story arc from the 70s was pretty hard.

Although now that I understand that and I have a better idea of the situation I guess the story is not as confusing as it was.

 

[Cobblepot]

i believe this is the right order:

Detective(comes before RIP events)
RIP
Robin(which happens between the last two RIP issues)
Nightwing(happens after the events of RIP)
The Outsiders(not sure where this falls, but either during or after RIP)

Thanks, DC should really have numbered these.

 

[sclabguy]

Thanks, DC should really have numbered these.

lol they do it all the time u just have to get used to it

 

[Majic Walrus]

They numbered Death of Supes.. What, Bats not good enough???

 

[gooner_88]

Would someone please explain the significance of the 10 eyed tribe? What did they do exactly? Was reading 52 and was a little confused. Any history with them?

 

[CrimsonMist]

Thanks, DC should really have numbered these.

Outsiders comes out after R.I.P., and after Nightwing, too. I think, anyway

 

[Yoda Claus]

Yeah, read Outsiders...my jaw dropped at the end. Hope its really really him. (Not trying to spoil)

 

[CrimsonMist]

Yeah, read Outsiders...my jaw dropped at the end. Hope its really really him. (Not trying to spoil)

Yea, i thought the art sucked though. Guy tried to hard to make his Superman look like Jim Lee's. But regardless, good story, good cliffhanger.

Now im trying to figure out where the current arc in Robin ties into this. Nightwing makes an appearance and mentions Two-Face, so i imagine it's during the Nightwing RIP tie-in, but before the most recent Nightwing issue. And where Robin currently doesn't tie into RIP, it mentions it alot. That's why i'm reading it, because Tim is still being affected. The placement of everything is just really confusing.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Is anyone else getting sick of DC making Joker involved with anything major? I'd like to see another Bat rogue as a large part of this instead of him, Scarecrow or Two-Face would be good.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Is anyone else getting sick of DC making Joker involved with anything major? I'd like to see another Bat rogue as a large part of this instead of him, Scarecrow or Two-Face would be good.

Wait till Two-Face returns as the major villian in Batman 3.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Wait till Two-Face returns as the major villian in Batman 3.

I can only hope. But seriously, the ties to Joker that I'm seeing in this storyline are really getting on my nerves, some other Bat villain would've been perfect, but Joker is getting old in my opinion.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I can only hope. But seriously, the ties to Joker that I'm seeing in this storyline are really getting on my nerves, some other Bat villain would've been perfect, but Joker is getting old in my opinion.

Honestly I love the Joker. Always have. I think he's got a great dynamic and I've only read a few Joker stories I didn't like... But you're right. I don't think the Joker fits in here very well and I think the only reason we're seeing him pop up is because of Morrison's previous work on the Joker.

 

[CaptainClown]

Well I think you're seeing the Joker here simply because the death of Batman would usually bring up thoughts of Joker being some way involved.

 

[DSET]

can some1 hook up the alex ross covers in the best possible resolution they can find
pm me
or post links if you dont wanna post as pics

without text is prefered

 

[Spider-Bat]

Quoted for truth. I swear, if they retcon his origin, I'm just going to buy all the comics BEFORE this lame stunt of an arc, and wait till someone with some common sense puts it back.

I'm with you. I haven't picked up my new issues in a month but from what I have seen here it sounds like they want to redo the origin, WTF?! that is so dumb.

I'll just read back issues and GNs till it gets fixed. Man can they just leave Batman alone. First the crap with Jason, that was horrible then having Leslie Tompkins become a killer, now this!!!

The movies finally get done right but they're screwing up the comics. It is not right!

Just do a good story and enough with this stunt garbage! Get a good writer on Batman and fix this. Erase all the crap that's been done since 2000.

I haven't read anything really good in Batman since like 97 or so.

Detective's been good thanks to Dini. Morrison sucks. At least the art's been great.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I can't stand Morrison's run on Batman. It just isn't my cup of tea. I sure do hope some people are enjoying it. I am so glad he is gone and there are some good writers come on board after him.

edited because I put the wrong thing on the wrong thread