Batman, the most unbelivable superhero in all of comics!

[The Question]

I'm not up to the current Batman, but in times past the comic was explicit that his head was protected from bullets.



The head and limbs are almost impossible to hit on a moving target, that's why cops and military are trained for full body shots.

Actually, it's not impossible. The reason cops and military personel are trained to aim for the torso is because that will bring the target down fastest. You hit someone in the shoulder, they still might pose a threat. Hit someone in the chest, they're pretty much corpsified. But yes, limb shots are quite dificult. Especially on targets moving about in the dark of night wearing all black.

 

[War Lord]

Actually, it's not impossible. The reason cops and military personel are trained to aim for the torso is because that will bring the target down fastest. You hit someone in the shoulder, they still might pose a threat. Hit someone in the chest, they're pretty much corpsified.

Nothing is impossible, but when you have less than two seconds to cock your gun, aim and fire, the torso is the only way to go.

If the perp was just sitting there, you can afford to get fancy, but when he's coming at you at a rate of 15 feet/second (average speed for a human), there is no time to get fancy.

 

[The Question]

As I said, it's not a matter of "getting fancy." Simply that the person you intend to shoot is much more likely to stay on the ground wih a chest wound than with an arm wound. It's not "almost impossible."

 

[War Lord]

As I said, it's not a matter of "getting fancy." Simply that the person you intend to shoot is much more likely to stay on the ground wih a chest wound than with an arm wound. It's not "almost impossible."

Most cops I've talked to have told me it's very difficult to hit arms or legs, it's not really worth the bother.

 

[The Question]

Most cops I've talked to have told me it's very difficult to hit arms or legs, it's not really worth the bother.

I didn't say it wasn't dificult nor that it was worth the bother. I'm just saying that it's not "almost impossible," and the reason they aim for the torso is that there's a greater likelyhood of the person who you just put a tiny peice of metal in staying in a state where he won't be trying to put any kind of metal peices into you.

 

[Hush]

In the Hush arc Batman wears a kevlar reinforced cowl. After his surgery. So yes he at times wears Kevlar lined cowls.

 

[The Question]

But that wouldn't make his head bullet proof. Kevlar has to be of a certain thickness and have a metal plate armoring to make a vest bullet proof.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Not necessairily. Hitting a moving target is rather difficult. Hitting a moving target that's wearing all black at night is much mure dificult. It's not that they're bad shots. It's that they're in a situation where aiming properly is quite dificult.

Yeah but one of his villains is named Deadshot and is suppose to be incredibly accurate and a mercenary. Okay moving targets are hard to hit, but if your going out every night and encountering massive gunfire the odds of you getting hit are very high.

People who don't carry guns would be at a disadvantage because eventually they have to get in close. Now maybe Batman begins sets up that nice situation at the docks. But we've seen Batman fighting goons in open warehouses, rooftops and saharian deserts where he has wide open space and then suddenly the shadows don't help as much.

I should also note that while his body armor most likely protects it doesn't protect against concusions or bruising or breaking ribs. All of which would severely slow down his movement and ability.

 

[The Question]

Yeah but one of his villains is named Deadshot and is suppose to be incredibly accurate and a mercenary.

So? He doesn't fight Deadshot very often. Hell, I'd barely count Deadshot as one of his villains any more, since they almost never encounter one another.

Okay moving targets are hard to hit, but if your going out every night and encountering massive gunfire the odds of you getting hit are very high.

What do you mean by massive gunfire? He hardly encounters gang shoot outs every other night. On a nightly basis, he probably only encounters muggers and the like. Sure, we see him facing off against pyshoc villain types, but I doubt that happens every day in Gotham.

People who don't carry guns would be at a disadvantage because eventually they have to get in close. Now maybe Batman begins sets up that nice situation at the docks. But we've seen Batman fighting goons in open warehouses, rooftops and saharian deserts where he has wide open space and then suddenly the shadows don't help as much.

At night, warehouses and rooftops are still pretty damn dark. And in any event, you're not tacking tactics into account. You're just assuming he's going to fight like an idiot and take on 20 guys in hand to hand combat. Let's say he happens upon some crime being commited by, oh, let;s say about five or so guys. Seems like a reasonable number. He gets on some high point over them, probably a fire escape. He drops down a smoke grenade or flashbang to disorient them, jumps on top of the biggest guy, taking him out instantly, and then taking out the rest while they're confused. Maybe before he dropped the flashbang and/or smoke grenade, he took out a few with sleeping darts or batarangs.

I should also note that while his body armor most likely protects it doesn't protect against concusions or bruising or breaking ribs. All of which would severely slow down his movement and ability.

True.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Batman is unbelievable?

But an alien from Krypton coming to earth and "conviently" being raised by a moral good hearted farming couple and under the earth's son he can do things that no other human can do.

But Batman is more unbelievable than that?

Dude, it's a comic book. It's fantasy. Welcome to the fold.

 

[Eros]

Batman is unbelievable?

But an alien from Krypton coming to earth and "conviently" being raised by a moral good hearted farming couple and under the earth's son he can do things that no other human can do.

But Batman is more unbelievable than that?

Dude, it's a comic book. It's fantasy. Welcome to the fold.

I know its fantasy, but why not just retcon Batman with superhuman powers? It would be easier then showing him takeing on such powerful foes without injury most of the time. IMO if i heard that god [of any religion] lifted a moutain over his head, and then heard that Jet Li took down the entire New York mafia buy himself and won, i would find the one about Jet Li rather unbelivable.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I know its fantasy, but why not just retcon Batman with superhuman powers? It would be easier then showing him takeing on such powerful foes without injury most of the time. IMO if i heard that god [of any religion] lifted a moutain over his head, and then heard that Jet Li took down the entire New York mafia buy himself and won, i would find the one about Jet Li rather unbelivable.

Retconning Batman with Superpowers would completely destroy the point of the character as a whole. Batman is fine the way he is. It all depends on who's writing him.

 

[Darthphere]

I know its fantasy, but why not just retcon Batman with superhuman powers? It would be easier then showing him takeing on such powerful foes without injury most of the time. IMO if i heard that god [of any religion] lifted a moutain over his head, and then heard that Jet Li took down the entire New York mafia buy himself and won, i would find the one about Jet Li rather unbelivable.

Dude, seriously? Theyve shown Batman getting injuries all the time. Even in the lastest issue of Batman.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I know its fantasy, but why not just retcon Batman with superhuman powers? It would be easier then showing him takeing on such powerful foes without injury most of the time. IMO if i heard that god [of any religion] lifted a moutain over his head, and then heard that Jet Li took down the entire New York mafia buy himself and won, i would find the one about Jet Li rather unbelivable.

If you retcon Batman with superpowers than what's really the appeal of Batman now? He'd just be another superhuman. The appeal of Batman is that he doesn't have powers and can take down these villains using his skill, intelligence, and heart.

Batman gets hurt all the time, as Darthphere pointed out.

And to also point out, again, that Jet Li movies and Batman comic books are works of fiction and fantasy. Yes, when you get down to the straight realistic elements of it...Jet Li is not going to be taking out the Mafia himself. But he CAN kick a lot of ass.

Seems to me that you want things to be overly realistic. There's nothing wrong with that. But Batman is no more unbelievable than any other superhero ever created in the world of comic books.

 

[LadyVader]

Batman IS inbelievable. He is unbelievably cool.

 

[Fred_Fury]

But that wouldn't make his head bullet proof. Kevlar has to be of a certain thickness and have a metal plate armoring to make a vest bullet proof.

The plate is required to stop a 7.62 round, but the body armor material itself will stop up to a 9mm round. You dont find many handguns firing 7.62 rounds

also, theres some really good body armor out there thats just too expensive for the military to equip all its soldiers with, its called Dragonskin Armor (the secret service uses it) it'll stop several 7.62 rounds, and the armor doesnt use a ceramic plate, its actually flexible.

 

[Laplace_Zombie]

Dragonskin armor? So D&Ders get to design weaponry for the top military?

 

[Fred_Fury]

Dragonskin armor? So D&Ders get to design weaponry for the top military?

maybe... they named it dragon skin armor because its made of silver dollar sized discs linked together like scales.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

you guys forget hat the world we live in does'nt exist in the DCU. wayne tech and star labs have better techonology to make better armor( more far superior than anything the real world can make.

 

[The Question]

The plate is required to stop a 7.62 round, but the body armor material itself will stop up to a 9mm round. You dont find many handguns firing 7.62 rounds

also, theres some really good body armor out there thats just too expensive for the military to equip all its soldiers with, its called Dragonskin Armor (the secret service uses it) it'll stop several 7.62 rounds, and the armor doesnt use a ceramic plate, its actually flexible.

Ah. Wasn't aware. Very interesting. I'd assume that the latter is what Batman uses.

 

[Diamondhead]

Hello their, for anyone reading this, its come to my attention that Batman[and his supporting cast] have become so ubelieveable its laughable. Let me just start with the fact that he is a "powerless" billionare who uses a bat costume and his martial arts and gadgets to fight crime in a vastly crime ridden city. That to me is improbable beyond belief, i dun care how much training you have no "Powerless" being should be able to the things Batmans and his chorts[Robin especially] do every night. Dodging bullets,takeing on numerus armed men[some with powers],leaping from rooftop to rooftop, and basically comeing from all this without much fuss or injury mostly. People like batman alot i suppose because he a "powerless" man who "stands amongts godlike beings". Unless they make Batman and his cohorts metahumans, Batman will remain as simply the most unbelievable/unrealistic hero in comicdom.

Now for my second point on the matter, why do i think Batman is less believable heroes like superman,wonderwoman,green lantern etc? Its easy, we have a valid reason has to why they can fight powerful beings and save the day all the time, they all have superpowers. The fact that superman is invunerble to harm, makes us understand why he can be shot at,blasted,beat up, and hit with big objects and still survive. With Batman, we must beleive he is able to dodge multiple machine gun fire,flame throwers,blasts of enegy, and other things humans at their peek cannot possibly even hope to dodge all at once. The fact is that we have valid reasons [however fantastic] that super powered heroes like superman fight crime everyday, and survive death beacuse that have powers. With Batman we must beleive that if we train really hard, and get really rich, we to can fight crime to. Basically Dc comic[and other comics] makes us beleive that if a regular kid trains really hard, and aquires some money, they can just hop out on the streets[with a costume] and help clean up a crime ridden city.

My third point are the Robins [pick one], who have ussally been anywhere between 11 and 18 years old at max. You expect to even try and beleive that batman trains a 12 to 13 year old kid for sum months, and then he makes him his partner on the streets That to me is the single sillest[ and unbelievable] thing i have ever heard, Batman [and green arrow] are dumbest adults i have ever read of. Who the hell trains ac12 year old, and then makes him his partner, is Bruce Wayne an idiot? Then we must beleive that a 5 foot 3 skinny kid[Robin] can take on dozens of grown armed men at Batman sides[while wearing a brightly colored cotume]. Not to mention that the Robins [save for Jason Todd] usually come through without any injures for the most part.

My next and most important point, Batman being in the Justice League. Batman being in a League full of nearly godlike beings is odd. I admit batman should help them with planning and stategy, but to make people even try and understand how he can never get tired when everyone else is flying and blasting off. How he seems to overcome godly foes [like white martians, the enitre justice League] and yet never seems to be injured or hurt. Batman was able to recover from a broken back/spine but barbara gordan [despite living in a world full of magic, intersteallar space travel,gods, and beings with great healing powers] cannot get her legs healed is dumb.

My last point is simple, to further make sure Batman is relevant they make superman give him a kryptonite ring. Heres why i find this odd, why not give the ring to a being that can atleast match up aganst superman in a fight? If they made superman give the ring to wonderwoman [whos capabale of killing if needed, and a match for superman] that would make more sense. If superman truly went "rogue" he could simply drop a oceanliner on wayne manor and batman would be dead. or superman could fly into deep space, and then fire heat vision down upon batman, the list goes on forever. Ofcoruse this was done to make sure Batman is "Badass" and can "beat" superman cause batmans "badass". Im a huge Baman fan, but the last 20 plus years the character has been more popular thier he ever was, but he has also become completly over the top in terms of trying to make the character into some kind of unbelievable "god"[prep time is dumb buy the way].

the batman was originaly created to be an adventure hero
such in the league as the tarzan ,flash gordon, dick tracy ,zorro, mandrake,robin hood and even roket robin hood ,etc... just to name a few.
but because he was dress as a superhero
somehow along the way some guy decided to team him up with superman who is the (super hero of superhero,at leat he used to be) untill Jhon Byrn made him even lamer than he already was

lamer because it was enough that a superhero that powerfull find himself powerless all of a sudden because of a little piece of rock from his home planet just like dracula find himself powerless in front of a little cross.

when I was a kid I understood that because of the radiation emited by a little piece of kryptonite, superman must find himself... legs, arms, his entire body as heavy as tons of lead .
kryptonite must disrupt his natural kryptonian body causing him pain beyond belief, and not make his skin become all of sudden so soft that people can kick him in the groin whithout felling as if they kick a brick wall.

that's where Jhon byrn condradict himself and made superman even lamer than he was
according to his revamp of superman
it took young clark kent many years to built up his powers
so why does a little piece of kryptonite strip him of his power in an instant and make his unvulnerable skin become soft and other crap like that
and not to speak of power transfer!
of all the superhero superman is the only superhero they can steal power from.
What a lame concept !
I understood the fact that superman was the first SH in a long time that they had to come up with all kind of trick to make interesting story
but that power stealing stuff has got to go
have you ever seen anybody stealing the power of the incredible hulk,thor, even wonder woman,like that... well at least not the same way they do for superman!

Anyway the Batman is an adventure hero mistakingly pass as a superhero.
what bother me is that they are trying to make him the superhero of superheroes because of great box office result and all
which is wrong because he doesn't fit the definition of a superhero which is possessing power beyond the normal reach of the common human beings.
and money power is not one of them.

 

[The Leaguer]

What a hideously ugly post.

 

[Darthphere]

Guys, I was the store the other day and saw this comic called Superman. It looked gay so naturally I flipped through it. i couldnt believe what I was reading. Youre telling me this dude is an alien from a planet called Krypton? The guy looks just like any other human, that is totally unbelievable. But check this, it gets worse, the dude was flying, I was like what the ****? People can't fly. And he had this fabulous red cape on that George Michael would love! C'mon, but then the dude was flying and fighting this bald guy in a giant robot suit and im like INSANE! and then the dude shot lasers out his eyes and the bald dude in the suit dropped on a house and can you believe it, nobody died! It gets better though, the dude in the cape like totally picked this guy up, he mustve weighed a ton and flew him into a prison, like dude, you cant carry that its impossible. Then the guy changes his costume and puts on some glasses and nobody recoginizes him as the dude in the cape. This stuff is unbelievable, how can anyone read this dribble.

 

[The Leaguer]

OMFG **** BATMNA IZ NOT A ALIEN he iz a man, he cant fly, he is impssible!!!1

 

[Fred_Fury]

It looked gay so naturally I flipped through it. .

hmmm... that doesn't sound right...