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BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS]

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I hate to say this.

I really hate to say this.

But Faraci is right. I feel the exact same way about Superman in this film.
 
Scathing review from Devin Faraci. His indictment of Superman is brutal - not that I'm surprised. So sad what this team at WB has done to the character.

"Henry Cavill is a wooden log throughout most of the film, giving a performance so lifeless and dull that it feels like a protest. His Superman alternates between being a mopey bore and a real a-hole, two qualities for which the character is not usually known."

I'm not a hyperbolic person. I speak and think quite literally. But I swear to god one of the first thoughts I had after seeing this again was "how dare you"

The only way I can think of to explain this movie is this:

Chris Terrio wrote an amazing script and was walking to the studio to hand it in and dropped it. The pages went everywhere and they were not numbered. Some of the pages blew away. They didn't have a spare copy, so they tried to put them back in order as best they could.

That's it. That's the only way to explain it.

And ten pages went missing so they let Snyder fill in the blanks with crayon
 
Cats's thoughts on the movie.

I've finally seen it. And... I absolutely LOVED IT :ilv::woot: There were moments I felt I was watching a trailer from the Injustice/Arkham games, moments I felt I was reading a comic (and that it came to live in front of me) and other moments I felt I was in a Bond film.

I'm beginning to understand now why people came out of the film slightly baffled by the entire thing, although I find myself not baffled in the least (which is odd, because the Nolan movies always left me in that state).

These are the areas I think people who hated it are harping on:

1. You've gotta have some background on the characters to catch on to what's going on. This film doesn't stop to explain everything in baby steps.

2. I found that the method of story-telling (that was highly complained about on the internet) resembling some of the comics I've read, most of which incorporated several dream, or hallucinating sequences, placed at certain quiet moments reflect on the thoughts of the characters. They were really meaningful and poignant, especially for someone who loves this characters as much as I do.

3. Batman and Superman [BLACKOUT]inflicting deaths[/BLACKOUT] on people. This is the only thing that could cause me pause, but Superman's scene is easily explained away. As for Batman's, I remember many people commenting on the damage caused by the tumbler and yet we eventually shrugged it off and enjoyed the film for what it was. I personally would've preferred if it was totally avoided, but judging from how even the Avengers aren't able to entirely avoid [BLACKOUT]civilian deaths[/BLACKOUT], I'll just accept it on status quo.

4. I personally liked Jesse's Lex, even though some people seem to have a problem with him. He was zany, but in a manner befitting an eccentric genius of sorts - oddly resembling Kevin Spacey's Lex at times, but I don't recall anyone complaining about Spacey's performance (aside from his brainless plot). This Lex is a lot more dangerous, cunning, and he's certainly done his homework (even more than Batman)

5. Gal Gadot presented a beautiful and intelligent Wonder Woman. As a woman myself, I couldn't help but beam with pride as the theater cheered at her entrance. To elaborate on the intelligence; it lies within the moment I associated with being in a Bond film, except it's a woman this time doing the espionage. She's perhaps the least experienced of all the actors, but she still did a decent job with her character.

6. Loved how they introduced the JL characters without having them appear for no reason. I don't see any of them feeling "shoehorned", although a friend I went to see this movie with couldn't make the mental link to how they got there, and I wondered if other people were struggling with the connection. It personally felt pretty clear to both myself and my husband.

7. We had two kids with us; my 8 year old son and my friend's 7 year old son, both boys stayed wide awake throughout. They were really excited during the fight scenes, and when the members of the JL emerged, but the only part I felt a little concerned was during one of the dream sequences that turned out to be somewhat like a horror movie. Thankfully it didn't last long, and otherwise they didn't seem to have trouble following the story. Ironically, it was my 60+ year old dad who seemed to be most baffled by the movie :oldrazz:

8. I remember reading about a fantastic credit scene (akin to the Watchmen), and was disappointed when we got nothing more than a regular credit roll. That's probably the most confusing thing about the movie for me lol. I hope we didn't get another version of the movie??

In any case, BvS has certainly quelled all my fears about this being a problematic movie. I don't know why people are having issues with the story when even a pair of 7 and 8 year old boys understood it just fine. There're loads of homages to the comics, which will certainly please comic book fans. Its fight sequences look like they came right out of the Arkham or Injustice games which will please fans of the games. And the story itself looks like it came out of the animated series. So honestly, how can anyone not love this?

It's more a mystery to me now than before!
 
Another hypester.

Oh dear, here we go.

First, I saw BvS and I like it. :D
Editing indeed not as smooth as I want to be and too many stuff crammed in.
All of actors I support from beginning; Ben, Gal, Jesse, Jeremy and Henry do deliver.

I LOVED Batfleck / Bruce Wayne, I LOVED WW Gal. Jesse’s performance is either like it or dislike it, but I liked him as well. Henry got this innocence undertone quality going on and when he distraught, I feel for him. Jeremy Irons... long live sassy, hardened Alfred!

Honestly, RT score would not deterred my enjoyment because I already enjoyed so many movies with low RT score before.

BUT, I do hope BvS got at least fresh RT because nowadays people keep bringing up RT in movie discussion. I want DCEU fans to be able to express their love for their fandom and movies without somebody with 'better than you/ better than what you like' spat on them, without needed or pressured to justified it.
Plus, good reviews can convince audience to buy tickets.

I already lowered my expectation before RT big day because I don't want to be bummed out. Maybe I am a bit bad omen to myself because many things I rooting for ended up becoming something only few would dig. :hehe:
I tend to rooting for underdogs. For movies, I even hoped Fantastic 4 (2015) will be a good movie because I really like the actors in it.

Oh boy, I'm not gonna lie, I depressed for 2 days straight, and it somehow hurts physically. Now I ended up with this calm but hollow feeling.
Maybe because I already so invested. I hope I didn't sound so pathetic. :funny:
I doesn't need to elaborate because I'm pretty sure all of you already understand / maybe experienced it.

I really hope this experience will both motivate and humble WB and DCEU crews to step up their game.
Snyder (I like him, he seems to be a nice guy, great visuals and a fanboy like us), already given so much sources, talented team members and extra time but somehow cannot utilized it. When he said they shot 6 hour footage I yelled, "OH, NO!" :funny:

I knew that to extract 2,5 hours from 6 hours is not Snyder's strength. Way too many subplot for things that could be simpler.
While BvS did address some critics in MoS, I really, really couldn’t understand why they need to add some other controversies. :huh:

Maybe WB need to keep Snyder and co in check. Tighter.

Cavill also mentioned that if he and Snyder disagree about how Superman act/ will be potrayed, Snyder ( a pushup extraordinaire) will ask to do a push-up match to get the winner. Oh, come on Snyder, don’t bully your actor. :o

I do feel bad for Ben though. :csad:


My memory is not really strong, but I recall somewhere, somebody posted that Faraci (don't stone me! :nrv: ) said that the ending of final product is the same as in Goyer draft. And there is no Knightmare sequence in Terrio's draft. IF it's true, then... I dunno, for me it's unnecessary combination-addition.

There are big ideas/ events that needed to save for later. Just like how innocent Superman forced to kill in MoS. Too soon for first outing. Also, it feels like WB pressured BvS team to advertised JL in this movie.

In the end, I still optimistic for DCEU’s future. SS, WW, JL... what time to be alive.

I hope you can stand my messy English. :O
 
Just saw it, and I have to say I liked it, but it was not as good as I was expecting.

Rest assured people Ben Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne was awesome, and he alone is reason enough to be excited about the DCCU.

The acting for the most part wasn't anything special. Cavill was average. Again this where Ben Affleck shined.

Wonder Woman's introduction was handled very well and got the biggest reaction in my theatre. The pacing and editing was off at times. Lex Luther was a weak villain, but that's purely because of the way he was written. The fights were very good.

To summarize, it was a good movie, but falls below great and certainly not a classic.
 
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On Collider, there's an interview where Zack discusses the extended cut, there seems to be a lot of good stuff in there, more character moments, slightly more action it seems, he says that the opening
sequence in Africa
plays completely differently as well.
 
After a strong set-up contrasting Batman and Superman’s ideologies, Batman v Superman jettisons any good will it's built and descends into pure anarchy. If you thought the lengthy fight sequence at the end of Man of Steel was exhausting just wait until you see what Snyder has in store for you this time. The long, brutal fight that takes up most of the rear end of the movie might be forgivable if it was at least exciting to watch. But Snyder, who has long been acclaimed for his visuals, fumbles the ball to the extreme and films all the carnage is the most stilted, lifeless ways possible, and eventually there comes a point where Batman v Superman is more or less pummeling you over the head while screaming in your ears. Batman and Superman fight, and fight, and fight. Property is damaged, day-glo death rays cut through the night, rain falls and so much bullsh** explodes
: http://www.cutprintfilm.com/reviews/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice/
 
It's strange. Yesturday I gave it a 7.

Now that I've read a ton about it, thought way more about it and all it's flaws... I actually like it better.

Example, all the other heroes just crammed in there like mini-teasers. One way to put it: It feels forced, like Snyder was told to put it in there. Like Don Draper pulling the strings.

But at the same time. What irritates med with Marvel-universe, like mye favourite show Daredevil, is the complete lack of presence from the rest of the MCU. Because, in all fairness, it would be awesome if Tony Stark just called for some legal advice out of nowhere, even if it had nothing to do with the plot of the season. Because this is a big world and traditional storytelling does not fit it.

So:

The scenes with Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg? All good. And Wonder Woman just happening to be in the area when the fight starts? This is what i want.

So maybe I'll bump it up to an 8. Which is weird, because there are so many flaws. But still, I liked it better than the last Avengers-movie. Maybe not so much as Deadpool, but it's like comparing apple and oranges.

Most important, I'm actually looking forward to the next movies. Although this Superman will never be as good as the Donner-one.
 
I'm not a hyperbolic person. I speak and think quite literally. But I swear to god one of the first thoughts I had after seeing this again was "how dare you"



And ten pages went missing so they let Snyder fill in the blanks with crayon

Not doggin on ya man or anything, but i just don't understand how a person can do a full 180 on his opinion so quickly? Now i just found out by reading back post that you seen the movie again and wow brother you sound like a totally different person.

Was it a more depressing crowd that maybe made you feel a bit more down on it? Or do you feel you were lieing to yourself after the first time trying to defend something you waited so long for, in denial that it wasn't what you expected so held on a little longer? Or a combination of all this?

Sorry no offence, but i just never seen someone flip like this in such a short period of time. :huh:
 
Kevin McCarthy from Nerdtears.com and Fox.

Update: There is NOT a scene in the ending credits or after the credits.
My spoiler free thoughts of Zack Snyder's BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE. I just freely wrote these thoughts below so I apologize for grammatical errors.
The film has to be seen in IMAX. I've seen the film twice 2D IMAX. If you can find a 2D IMAX theatre, go for that route. The film was converted to 3D.
Let me start off by saying that I loved MAN OF STEEL. Besides the awful product placement, it's one of my favorite action movies in years. Zimmer's score mixed with the amazing performances, direction and action, blew my mind. I love that movie. Yes, I'm fully aware of how divisive that film is. I feel the same way about Michael Bay's BAD BOYS II.
There are three scenes in BATMAN v SUPERMAN that are worth the ENTIRE price of admission. These three scenes are among some of the best action scenes I've seen in years.
Zack Snyder is an extraordinary filmmaker who delivers the exact definition of a movie theatre experience. With BATMAN v SUPERMAN, he proves yet again that seeing a flick in a movie theatre is THE BEST way to capture the filmmakers intentions. As a side note, I absolutely despise "Screening Room"; which is a new idea that will allow new movies to be seen at home on the same day the movie is released in theatres. You would pay a premium price for that but I'm fully against it. I believe films should be seen in a theatre. I wish Alfred Hitchcock was around to speak on this subject. I can't know for sure what he would say but I would imagine he would do anything he could to preserve the theatre going experience.
Through the use of 35mm & 65mm film, IMAX, Alexa and GO PRO cameras, Snyder has painted a glorious action film that fully immerses you in each and every sequence. Sure, the film comes with flaws which I will address, but the overall experience is 100% worth seeing. By the way, Snyder strapped a GO PRO camera on the Batmobile and the shot made it in to the movie! How awesome is that?!? Snyder even shot some sequences on 16mm film but those scenes were left on the cutting room floor.
The action sequences are MIND-BLOWING. If you saw THE DARK KNIGHT in IMAX, you will remember that Christopher Nolan would have the film jump from 35mm widescreen to these incredible IMAX shots for many of the action scenes; meaning he shot scenes in 35mm and 65mm. One in particular that always blew my mind on the IMAX screen was the practical 18-wheeler truck flip. Nolan really flipped that truck! Much like Nolan, who also produced this film, Snyder shot the majority of his glorious action scenes in IMAX. With a movie called BATMAN v SUPERMAN, Snyder delivers just that and more. I was crying nerd tears during so many of these sequences. I'm pretty sure I let out some squeals at some point. Chris Van Vliet can confirm that. Chris?
There is one particular action sequence with Batman, which I will keep secret, that Snyder presents all in ONE continuous shot. I was just sitting there in my seat with my jaw dropped to the floor. He did this sequence in IMAX so I can't imagine how he was able to keep a continuous tracking shot going with those massive cameras.
Continuing with what I loved about the film, let's jump to Ben Affleck. Affleck is THE PERFECT BATMAN. As much as I loved Christopher Nolan's BATMAN films, I would say that Affleck is a better Batman than Bale. Bale still remains my favorite Bruce Wayne but Affleck is now my favorite Batman next to Michael Keaton. Affleck perfectly embodies the tortured quality of the character. You can tell he dived deep in to the part. Emotions aside, wait until you see his action scenes! Anytime he's operating the Batmobile, I couldn't stop geeking out. If you've seen the trailer, you've seen the sequence where he comes up through the floor of the warehouse and then throws that bad guy's head in to the floor board! That scene is INSANE! I geek out every time I see the shot of him wearing the mech suit and he says to Superman, "Tell me...Do you bleed? You will!" Amazing! As with MAN OF STEEL, I feel that Henry Cavill is PERFECT for Superman and Clark Kent. He nails both roles masterfully.
Gal Gadot is a fantastic and unique Wonder Woman. I loved everything about her performance. Gadot commands an incredible presence on-screen and does a great job alongside Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck. The Trinity shot, which is in the trailers, is glorious. I love that Gadot took this incredible character and gave her a unique element. This is a different Wonder Woman that simultaneously holds on to the classic nature of the character.
Speaking of Wonder Woman, the film's score is masterful. Junkie XL ("Mad Max") and Hans Zimmer ("The Dark Knight" and everything else) come together for an epic score that brings back elements of Snyder's MAN OF STEEL. That's one of my favorite scores in recent history and one of my all-time favorite Zimmer scores. On a similar note, Junkie XL's MAD MAX score is one of the best scores I've ever heard. You know a score is masterful when you can listen to it without the movie and re-imagine the sequences the music was attached to. The Wonder Woman THEME is fantastic!
On the negative side, I had two major issues with the film. The first being Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Eisenberg is one of the best actors working today. He blew me away in THE SOCIAL NETWORK and has always played such interesting and thoughtful characters. He's not bad in BATMAN v SUPERMAN but he's not great. The performance feels a bit out of place and a bit over acted. There was a part of me that couldn't separate Jesse Eisenberg from the character. The sign a great performance is when you fully separate the actor/actress from the character. You should forget about the actor behind the character. Cavill, Affleck and Gadot all do a great job with that. Eisenberg does have a couple of GREAT scenes. There's a scene between Eisenberg and Superman that's one of my favorite moments in the film. Thankfully, the movie is more about BATMAN v SUPERMAN so the villain kind of takes a back seat.
Another negative point was the Lois Lane storyline. Again, I love Amy Adams as an actress and I really liked her in MAN OF STEEL. Her character in BATMAN v SUPERMAN felt out of place. The story took her in directions that didn't make sense and I just felt like the filmmakers were placing her in scenes randomly instead of making her character essential to the story. I love the character of Lois Lane but I feel she deserved a better story.
That all being said, I loved the overall film. I had such a great time in the theatre and it delivers exactly what fans will want. When you see the three scenes I'm referring to above, you are going to geek out beyond belief.
I always talk about how I get nerd tears in movies; I get so geeked out that I have tears in my eyes. That happened multiple times in this flick. Heck, it happened the first time I saw the trailer and Affleck said "Tell me...Do you bleed? You Will!"
I give BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE a 4/5. The overall experience is incredibly awesome. I have it slightly below MAN OF STEEL but it still delivers everything you want in a film about Batman fighting Superman.
Make sure you see it in IMAX.
 
Ok, just watched the movie.

I can start by saying that it isn't nearly as bad as so many people are claiming. There are problems and it's far from perfect but i did like it.

Main problems:

Very underwheliming on many aspects. Plot a little messy, rushed and underdeveloped. Too much stuff for 2 hours and 30.

Action is underwhelming as well for a Zack Snyder movie in this day and age. Expected a lot more. Especially from the Bat vs Sup fight.

Zack is not the best guy at making you care for the characters. You can see his focus is not always in the right place.

I wish i hadn't seen the trailers and tv spots. They do give away the most important stuff, and i think i would have enjoyed it a lot more if i didn't know so much.

Now, having said that:

The performances are all pretty solid. I like dark, heavy, violent movies, so i loved the tone. Ben is great as Bat but not as human and relatable as Bale is.

The plot, even though problematic, is pretty intriguing and throws some interesting ideas at you. Again, if i didn't know so much already i would have liked it a lot more.

The visuals and cinematography are good, even though the CGI can be too much sometimes. The action sequences, while underwhelming for someone like me, are still pretty good and my friend was very impressed.

I can tell you that there's a scene that makes me cry everytime i even think about it, so it means the movie made an impact on me and that's the least i could ask for.

I give it a 7.5/10. My friend who is not a comic book or Batman fan gave it a 8.5 and told me he loved the movie a lot more than Star Wars. When i told him The Avengers has 90% on RT and this movie has 36% he was shocked. He even thought i was joking. He really loved the movie, and he isn't easy to impress.
 
Not doggin on ya man or anything, but i just don't understand how a person can do a full 180 on his opinion so quickly? Now i just found out by reading back post that you seen the movie again and wow brother you sound like a totally different person.

Was it a more depressing crowd that maybe made you feel a bit more down on it? Or do you feel you were lieing to yourself after the first time trying to defend something you waited so long for, in denial that it wasn't what you expected so held on a little longer? Or a combination of all this?

Sorry no offence, but i just never seen someone flip like this in such a short period of time. :huh:

My review stands as is and I stand by it. I dropped my rating by .5 stars simply because of some faults I missed the first time. I didn't like the movie as a whole either time I saw it. The second time was just painful though. The bad was more pronounced. The good was more in the background.
 
I wouldn't say the action was impressive yeah, although imo still damn damn good, I don't know yet if I like the action in MOS better.

Honestly, today, we've seen so much action in everything, it becomes harder and harder to be impressed, maybe in Justice League, with The Flash, there's potential for that.
 
Gonna see this in a few hours. People are saying it's dark and joyless. I remember those complaints for MOS and I don't agree with them at all. Is this dark and joyless for someone like me who liked MOS, or dark and joyless for an MCU junky who likes underoos and schwarma jokes?

I'm wondering if it's 2 1/2 hrs of someone crying in a pitch black room in complete silence except for the wailing and the rain outside, or just more of the same that we've already gotten, which I've enjoyed very much. lol
 
You should like it if you don't agree with the same complaints for MOS. It's actually a tone I'm comfortable with, serious, "grounded", dramatic, that's why I like DC, I understand it's not to everyone's liking, but I feel Justice League PT 1 (we now have Deb Snyder saying like Terrio the film will be lighter), The Flash and maybe some of the other solo films will be less dark and satisfy more.


So, it's the former for you, more of the same.
 
You should like it if you don't agree with the same complaints for MOS. It's actually a tone I'm comfortable with, serious, "grounded", dramatic, that's why I like DC, I understand it's not to everyone's liking, but I feel Justice League PT 1 (we now have Deb Snyder saying like Terrio the film will be lighter), The Flash and maybe some of the other solo films will be less dark and satisfy more.

So, it's the former for you, more of the same.

Dude you're starting to sound like a planted studio schill.
 
I'm talking to him, not you. You keep piling on. Just because I love the film, and defend it doesn't mean I'm a studio shill, or have to behave in a certain way.

You're a hypocrite.
 
I'm talking to him, not you. You keep piling on. Just because I love the film, and defend it doesn't mean I'm a studio shill, or have to behave in a certain way.

You're a hypocrite.

I'm not the one following everyone around who hasn't seen it trying to "reaffirm" them that they're going to have the same experience you did and reciting studio jargon verbatim.
 
You should like it if you don't agree with the same complaints for MOS. It's actually a tone I'm comfortable with, serious, "grounded", dramatic, that's why I like DC, I understand it's not to everyone's liking, but I feel Justice League PT 1 (we now have Deb Snyder saying like Terrio the film will be lighter), The Flash and maybe some of the other solo films will be less dark and satisfy more.

I admire WB going the dark and violent route compared to Marvel's lighter more humorous tone.

It's refreshing, gives us diverse and different CBM movies. Even though though the execution of BvS wasn't great, I was still entertained by it and I'm even more excited about the DCCU than ever before. It's win-win if you're a comic book movie fan and just a fan of movies in general.
 
So, the swarm of negativity on the RT thread for example is okay, but trying to bring some positivity anywhere I can is not?

I've seen the situation in reverse, it's always the same thing.
 
I'm not the one following everyone around who hasn't seen it trying to "reaffirm" them that they're going to have the same experience you did and reciting studio jargon verbatim.

Wouldn't you have to be following him in order to say that he's following others? I think maybe you should just lay off and let posters voice their opinions.
 
Wouldn't you have to be following him in order to say that he's following others? I think maybe you should just lay off and let posters voice their opinions.

He's hard to miss. He's EVERYWHERE in these threads repeating the same thing over and over.
 
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