since there's two funeral, it's a bit weird. I mean,obviously there can only be one "corpse" in one of the coffins...
Meaning, one coffin is empty. And it's very obvious, that the coffin carrying Superman is the empty one. Because at the end, when Lois is standing over Clark Kent's coffin, she scattered soil over Clark Kent's coffin...... and then the soil started to levitate before it cuts to credits.
But I guess Superman has to "die" to redeem/atone himself for all the mass destructions cause by him during those battle scenes. And so the world will see him as a hero and not a false god.
[BLACKOUT]he didnt fake his death though, he appeared to actually be dead, he didnt die for those reasons, unless you're talking about the film makers decision to do it?
You said you dont see why Clark Kent also had to die but it is because he is actually dead, Clark Kent should return as his secret I.D when big blue himself returns[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]he didnt fake his death though, he appeared to actually be dead, he didnt die for those reasons, unless you're talking about the film makers decision to do it?
You said you dont see why Clark Kent also had to die but it is because he is actually dead, Clark Kent should return as his secret I.D when big blue himself returns[/BLACKOUT]
They are setting up a Justice League movie.....meaning
Superman will come back to live again. And since Superman's coffin is empty,wouldn't those people carrying Superman's coffin have felt it? Like why is the coffin so light, and not heavy....
They are setting up a Justice League movie.....meaning
Superman will come back to live again. And since Superman's coffin is empty,wouldn't those people carrying Superman's coffin have felt it? Like why is the coffin so light, and not heavy....
I love her presense in the film. And I really like when she shows up in the final battle, and the score/music that is playing when WW appears at the climax battle scene.
I like that she held her own against Doomsday, and even uses her lasso against Doomsday.
Batman is pretty much useless in the fight against Doomsday. It is basically Superman/Womder Woman versus Doomsday.
I mean, Batman has to rely on the Krytonite gas to fight against Doomsday.
@Wise... PLEEEEASE TAG YOUR SPOILERS!!! I JUST "ALMOST" COMPREHENDED SOMETHING I DID NOT WANT TO READ OR KNOW ABOUT!!!! AND I THINK I MAY HAVE GOT IT, I'M TRINA WASH THE 4 WORDS I SEEN OUT MY HEAD!!!
I really like that this movie sets up the Justice League. It's about time. I am so sick and tired of seeing Marvel movies dominating the box office every summer.
I really like how that makes use of the name "Martha" to bring Batman and Superman together. I never realises that the mothers of Clark and Bruce shares the same name...."Martha".... That is clever writing.
Regarding the Justice League members,....
I wish I could see more of them....but the movie is way too long. I think that it is one of the longest superhero movie that I have ever watched in cinema. Good thing, I didn't drink any fluid before entering the cinema. Otherwise, I have to stop watching and go to pee in the middle of the movie.
Regarding the meta-humans files, how did Lex Luthor gets his hands on those files on WW, The Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman?
And that Mercy Graves character. What a waste. She only has two lines of dialogue before getting blown up ,along with Senator Finch, and the guy who lost both of his legs in that courtroom explosion scene.
So I guess no Harley versus Mercy Graves in the future.
I really like how that makes use of the name "Martha" to bring Batman and Superman together. I never realises that the mothers of Clark and Bruce shares the same name...."Martha".... That is clever writing.
just goes to show how different people are - I personally thought that specifically was one of the worst things [BLACKOUT]the reasoning of batman realising Superman's humanity exists through the love of his mother is a good idea to stop the conflict, I just thought the Martha, maaaarthhaaaaa thing was lame [/BLACKOUT] summarises my overall feeling about the movie really good ideas often poorly executed or not explored enough
"he held his own." A peak human Batman should be able to maneuver himself around threats that are above his strength level [which is what we see in BvS], but having him deal with them head-on wouldn't make much sense.
With Superman, it's a bit different as Clark was clearly holding back and had also been exposed to Kryptonite.
I really like how that makes use of the name "Martha" to bring Batman and Superman together. I never realises that the mothers of Clark and Bruce shares the same name...."Martha".... That is clever writing.
Mine, too. That moment was actually the point that made me reconsider the elements introduced in the first part (which I thought was pretty empty, despite hammering thousands of themes down our throats). It gave them sense, gravitas and humanity.
The only way I can think of to explain this movie is this:
Chris Terrio wrote an amazing script and was walking to the studio to hand it in and dropped it. The pages went everywhere and they were not numbered. Some of the pages blew away. They didn't have a spare copy, so they tried to put them back in order as best they could.
Either way I don't care what critics say I saw the advanced screening last night and I thought that it was awesome hell I am going to go see it again this time on my own time tomorrow and honestly after watching it I can honestly say that it was great
Mine, too. That moment was actually the point that made me reconsider the elements introduced in the first part (which I thought was pretty empty, despite hammering thousands of themes down our throats). It gave them sense, gravitas and humanity.
Saw it again last night. Second viewing. Much worse opinion of it now. The flaws are much more evident. The characterization of both main heroes is anything but heroic. Updated the rating of my review, I stand by the review itself. If you're an adult fan of these characters go see it for yourself with low expectations.
It has been difficult to make my thoughts on this movie cohesive and succinct. A few things need to be said, because I’m going to cop so much hate for what I am saying.
I am a DC Fanboy. I love the classics (Superman: The Movie, Superman II, Batman 89, The Dark Knight Trilogy). But I even watch films like Superman III, Superman IV, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Supergirl and, yes, even Catwoman, every so often. I defend GL because I think it was average but unfairly criticised in some respects.
My first thought when this movie finished was that I had zero inclination to ever endure it again. In so many respects, the film is better than any of the “bad” DC movies. There are some genuine flashes of genius in the script and in Snyder’s direction, and all but two of the performance are phenomenal.
However, the movie is so fundamentally broken that it simply cannot sustain itself. In this way, it’s actually worse than the likes of Batman & Robin and Catwoman which managed to maintain a simple narrative. I am legitimately being serious here. It’s that bad and I think those who haven’t noticed it will notice it on subsequent viewings, because I can see how it would hide itself as “depth”.
The editing in this movie is so bad, and the script so garbled, that the movie does not actually have a plot. I challenge someone to come up with a cohesive plot for this movie. It simply cannot be done because there isn’t one. This is the movie’s fatal flaw. It kicks in about 15-20 minutes into the film and the film is DOA from that moment on.
Let’s pretend that’s not the case and the film is coherent.
I loved Cavill’s Superman in Man of Steel, but Superman in this movie is an abomination.
In his entrance he kills someone in cold blood.
Cavill spends most of the movie scowling and trying to look intimidating. It’s bizzare. I had hoped for a “fully formed” Superman in the aftermath of Man of Steel. What we got is simply unforgiveable. This is not Superman. What’s worse is that Snyder has set the narrative for the DCEU so that his “grown up” Superman is what we’re stuck with. Snyder has constructed this so that we can never have classic Superman in the DCEU. This is the most heartbreaking element of the movie.
There are a few good Superman scenes, however. One of the films flashes of genius is a beautiful montage of Superman being heroic. It’s backed by the criticisms heard in the first trailer (plus additional chatter), and it was delightful. It’s what this movie’s characterisation of Superman should have been the whole way through.
Batlfeck is better. Ben Affleck gives a great performance, but his characters motivations are wafer thin. Thank god for Ben Affleck, otherwise every bit of Batman in this movie would have fallen like a lead balloon I expect.
Some are claiming he is an outright murderer. It's not that bad. Certainly compared to the spoiler in Superman's section above. It's not so much Batman's actions that are questionable so much as to why Snyder thought it was a good idea to put the character in particular situations. It’s truly baffling the lengths Snyder will go to justify making things “dark” in this movie.'
There are a number of strange dream sequences for Batman’s character. I’m not sure what Snyder thought this conveyed. They showed no insight to his character and just made the narrative even more messed up. Batfleck’s fight scenes are all amazing though. Snyder did a great job on these, and believe it or not the final trailer doesn’t do them justice. They’re that good.
Wonder Woman is easily the best part of this movie. I smiled for just five minutes of the movie, and it was when she is on screen. I don't care what people say - Gal did a great job and stole the movie with next to no screen-time.
What's scary is that she's the best part of this movie but she serves literally no purpose other than to advertise her own solo movie. It says a lot about the quality of other elements of the movie that this is the standout.
My favourite part of the movie?
There's a scene where she's fighting Doomsday and he knocks her down, she lands on her butt, smiles the cheekiest grin and heads back in. It was the best character moment in the film.
Lex is an outright disaster. It's difficult to say that Jesse gave a bad performance. In fact, it would be untrue. He's creepy, menacing, psychotic and funny at times. The problem is, he's not playing Lex Luthor. There's nothing in this character which is even remotely identifiable as Luthor other than the name.
I cannot fathom why Eisenberg praised the script so much. If anyone gets the raw end of the deal with this script it's Eisenberg. His characterisation by the script is wafer thin, his evil scheme is unfathomable.
He wants Batman and Superman to fight - but why? My assumption is that its because Batman stole the only kryptonite he had - but this is never sufficiently explained...and why didn't he just unleash Doomsday? It was silly.
Worst still, the script fails to even sufficiently explain why he hates Superman. This is the most simple thing to get right. Therefore you have this evil scheming villain without the fundamentals to explain what he was doing.
Lex was a complete write-off for me.
Amy Adams, Jeremy Irons, Diane Lane, Laurence Fishburne and Holly Hunter all give great performances, but their characters have such ill-defined purposes in the plot that they’re all wasted. I was particularly impressed by Hunter and Irons, though.
Apart from Flash, the remaining Justice League teasers fell flat to me. Particularly Aquaman. Zack did a bizarrely poor job on Aquaman’s tease. These are purely visual teases and Aquaman’s was so flat and ordinary. So Un-Snyder like it makes me wonder if he even filmed it or devised it.
The movie’s biggest sin? “Batman v Superman”. What a huge letdown. I don’t even understand how the movie claimed to be building the tension between them. The scene where Superman just appears in front of Batman’s car is a good example of this. We see Clark whinging about Batman – but no explanation is given as to what causes him at that moment to intimidate Batman in that most un-Supermany fashion. There’s literally no motivation.
Likewise, I don’t understand what prompted Batman to want to fight Superman when he did. I don’t understand why Superman actually tried to fight him. The fight was a complete nothing.
I should be clear here – the movie throws plenty of reasons why these guys should hate each other. What it doesn’t do is show how this actually effects them. It just goes through the motions.
All in all, this is a truly awful, spectacular misfire. It deserves every bit of criticism its getting. In fact, I’m baffled by the positive reviews. It’s simply that poorly cobbled together. The difficulty is that the individual elements are fantastic, for the most part. It’s the construction which is the problem, and I think people are having a hard time seeing how this could be worse than, say, Green Lantern, given how good the performances and a lot of the dialogue is. Like I said, some sequences are pure genius (the MOS from Bruce’s perspective is genuinely brilliant filmmaking).
It’s just that the movie is so poorly constructed it was never going to recover.
Batman v Superman was dead on arrival. It's boring, its bloated, it's pointless and it destroys Superman's character.
Scathing review from Devin Faraci. His indictment of Superman is brutal - not that I'm surprised. So sad what this team at WB has done to the character.
"Henry Cavill is a wooden log throughout most of the film, giving a performance so lifeless and dull that it feels like a protest. His Superman alternates between being a mopey bore and a real a-hole, two qualities for which the character is not usually known."
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