The Dark Knight Batman VS Joker: The final Battle

[Infinity9999x]

When has his insanity given him great strength?

You know, I'm sorry I couldn't give you a direct quote, but I swore I read that somewhere. Maybe I'm just going insane. But I always assumed it was like "The House of Usher." I don't know if you seen or read that, but in it a woman is put into an insane rage, and in her insanity she's amazing strong, basically like a normal guy on a huge adrenaline rush. It made her almost impossible to hold off.

That was a Joker who's DNA was on a microchip uploaded into Tim Drake's body. He knew all the fighting tricks from Tim's mind.

I always thought that that was the Joker's skill alone right there. He wasn't flipping around like Robin, and the body he was inhabiting was that of a 40 year old man. I always figured that Joker just learned from getting his butt beat so often.

Since movie Batman wears armour, would a kick to the groin really be that effective on him?

He seemed to get pretty banged up after that episode on the docks, so he can obviously get hurt.

He can be a nasty fighter, he just shouldn't really be able to hold his own against Batman without relying on weaponry of some kind. And if these pics is anything to go by, it seems Joker cannot hold his own against Batman by himself:

I'd agree with that, I wasn't saying he should be able to match Batman blow for blow, I just said that I'd like to see him hold his own using a scrappy fighting style, and his weapons.

 

[The Joker]

You know, I'm sorry I couldn't give you a direct quote, but I swore I read that somewhere. Maybe I'm just going insane. But I always assumed it was like "The House of Usher." I don't know if you seen or read that, but in it a woman is put into an insane rage, and in her insanity she's amazing strong, basically like a normal guy on a huge adrenaline rush. It made her almost impossible to hold off.

Well, I'd be lying if I said I've read every single Joker story in existence. But, I've never heard of his insanity giving him any kind of great strength.

Nothing about it in his bio, either.

I always thought that that was the Joker's skill alone right there. He wasn't flipping around like Robin, and the body he was inhabiting was that of a 40 year old man. I always figured that Joker just learned from getting his butt beat so often.

Since he could speak in Tim Drake's exact voice, and he knew all about that satellite defence system stuff in which Tim was an expert, it seemed obvious that since he was inhabiting Tim's body, he knew everything that Tim knew.

He seemed to get pretty banged up after that episode on the docks, so he can obviously get hurt.

What episode on the docks? Where he takes out Falcone's gang? Nobody laid a hand on him. He pwned them all.

I'd agree with that, I wasn't saying he should be able to match Batman blow for blow, I just said that I'd like to see him hold his own using a scrappy fighting style, and his weapons.

Agreed. As long as he resorts to his classic Joker ways to get the upper hand on Batman, I'm cool with it.

After all, Joker is notorious for getting his ass kicked by Batman. It's a wonder he still has any teeth left in his head. He must go to some special dentist, because I've lost count of the amount of teeth Batman's knocked out over the years

 

[The Joker_1000]

You know, I'm sorry I couldn't give you a direct quote, but I swore I read that somewhere. Maybe I'm just going insane. But I always assumed it was like "The House of Usher." I don't know if you seen or read that, but in it a woman is put into an insane rage, and in her insanity she's amazing strong, basically like a normal guy on a huge adrenaline rush. It made her almost impossible to hold off.



I always thought that that was the Joker's skill alone right there. He wasn't flipping around like Robin, and the body he was inhabiting was that of a 40 year old man. I always figured that Joker just learned from getting his butt beat so often.



He seemed to get pretty banged up after that episode on the docks, so he can obviously get hurt.




I'd agree with that, I wasn't saying he should be able to match Batman blow for blow, I just said that I'd like to see him hold his own using a scrappy fighting style, and his weapons.

In Batman: TAS, the Joker was actually able to get a few good hits in at times. In TNBA episode "Mad Love", he got some pretty good hits in that even knocked Batman down.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well, I'd be lying if I said I've read every single Joker story in existence. But, I've never heard of his insanity giving him any kind of great strength.

Nothing about it in his bio, either.

Huh, maybe I'm just going nuts.

Since he could speak in Tim Drake's exact voice, and he knew all about that satellite defence system stuff in which Tim was an expert, it seemed obvious that since he was inhabiting Tim's body, he knew everything that Tim knew.

That's a good point. I suppose I just thought that he controlled the body once he took it over. I knew he could talk like Timm but it didn't occur to me that he would have all the memories. I assumed that Joker already knew about the satellite stuff because he was genius anyways.

What episode on the docks? Where he takes out Falcone's gang? Nobody laid a hand on him. He pwned them all.

Remember when Alfred woke him up the next day and he was all banged up. Then Alfred says "if those are going to be the first in a long line of bruises, you might want to take up a sport to explain them. Polo for instance."

 

[The Joker_1000]

Huh, maybe I'm just going nuts.

That's a good point. I suppose I just thought that he controlled the body once he took it over. I knew he could talk like Timm but it didn't occur to me that he would have all the memories. I assumed that Joker already knew about the satellite stuff because he was genius anyways.



Remember when Alfred woke him up the next day and he was all banged up. Then Alfred says "if those are going to be the first in a long line of bruises, you might want to take up a sport to explain them. Polo for instance."

So, if the Joker had been in Tim's body for at least a few more weeks, would he have needed that chip to help him gain control of the body. Personally, if I were the Joker I wouldn't have told Batman anything about how I was in control of the body.

 

[The Joker]

Huh, maybe I'm just going nuts.

As Joker would say, madness is the only release!

That's a good point. I suppose I just thought that he controlled the body once he took it over. I knew he could talk like Timm but it didn't occur to me that he would have all the memories. I assumed that Joker already knew about the satellite stuff because he was genius anyways.

Technology of the future is hardly something Joker could be a genius of since it wasn't around back in his day.

It's why Terry suspected Tim was Joker. Everything his gang had stolen could be used to build a satellite weapon. Only something someone of Tim's caliber would know how to build. Not the real Joker.

Remember when Alfred woke him up the next day and he was all banged up. Then Alfred says "if those are going to be the first in a long line of bruises, you might want to take up a sport to explain them. Polo for instance."

Oh yes, that's right.

Wierd. I wonder how he got that. He seemed to completely take out everyone with ease in that fight. Not that the fight was very clear with all the shakey camera work.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I could have sworn he got hit a few times.

 

[SheldonLevene]

I imagine no matter how badass of a fighter you are when you are taking on that many people, guys get in cheap shots while you're dealing with there buddies. Thats how I always figured Bruce got the bruises.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Bruce is always going to get bruises, no matter what. When you are rounding up as many thugs & criminals as Batman does each night, it leads to many injuries. That's the main reason I believe there could never be a real life Batman. The risks are too great.

 

[Gabe]

Hey, has anyone else noticed the Starbucks sign when Heath is shooting, towards the end of the trailer? It's kinda weird.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Hey, has anyone else noticed the Starbucks sign when Heath is shooting, towards the end of the trailer? It's kinda weird.

Yes, it's been noticed, and there was a big whoopdidoo about product placement when it was. Not that odd to me. I mean, why can't Gotham have a Starbucks? If it is indeed product placement, then it's extremely subtle product placement, because I never would have noticed it had someone here not pointed it out. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just coincidental and there happened to be a Starbucks in the area they were filming at.

 

[Gabe]

Hmm, maybe Joker turns out to be permawhitechocolatemochat:
Kay, lame joke. I know

 

[The Guard]

Well, I'd be lying if I said I've read every single Joker story in existence. But, I've never heard of his insanity giving him any kind of great strength.

Nothing about it in his bio, either.

Actually, that is something that happens fairly often in the 70's and 80's Batman comics. The Joker's insanity gives him a kind of explosive, unpredictable strength and speed.

 

[The Joker]

Actually, that is something that happens fairly often in the 70's and 80's Batman comics. The Joker's insanity gives him a kind of explosive, unpredictable strength and speed.

Again, where has this been seen? I own alot of Joker's stories from the 70's and 80's. Give me a few examples, please.

 

[The Guard]

Again, where has this been seen? I own alot of Joker's stories from the 70's and 80's. Give me a few examples, please.

I am lousy with issue numbers. I can tell you intimate details about most stories, right down to dialogue, but I do not remember numbers well.

It's usually described as "a madman's strength". I believe it's found in The Joker's first appearance in BATMAN #1.

After that...I think it was used at some point in that storyline where The Joker frames murderer/repeat offender Burt Slade for killing an innocent family and it ends up that The Joker was working with Slade all along to draw Batman into a trap. I think. I know it was in that "era". I think this is found in THE GREATEST JOKER STORIES EVER TOLD.

I believe Jack Ryder/The Creeper experienced the phenomenon when he ran into The Joker during one storyline, where Joker kidnapped his favorite comic strip artist and was holding him hostage. Also in THE GREATEST JOKER STORIES, I believe.

I also think Jean Paul Valley might have run into it too when he was Batman during KNIGHTQUEST, when The Joker had that whole "moviemaking" scheme thing going.

And I seem to remember something like that being in BATMAN: EGO, with Batman struggling with the Joker in the middle of a knife fight.

The whole "a psychotic's strength" angle has been used off and on over the years, to explain how both The Joker, The Scarecrow, Cornelius Stirk and Zsasz are able to cause problems for The Batman. I'm not positive of the issues where it's used for The Joker, though.

 

[The Joker]

Offhand...I think it might be in that storyline where The Joker frames murderer Burt Slade for killing an innocent family and it ends up that The Joker was working with Slade all along to draw Batman into a trap. I think. I know it was in that "era".

Yes, I know the one. It's in the Greatest Joker stories ever told TPB. There's nothing about any extra insane strength in that one. Batman and Joker don't even fight. Joker doesn't fight anyone in that story.

 

[The Guard]

Try the Creeper one. I seem to recall it being pretty overt. The Joker gets the drop on Ryder, and Ryder realizes he literally has to turn into the Creeper and gain some "insanity strength" of his own.

 

[The Joker]

No, don't see anything like that in this one, either. Only panel that comes close is when Joker gets the upper hand by throwing ink in Ryder's eyes. Ryder regains the advantage by transforming into The Creeper, and he then knocks Joker out with one blow.

 

[ronny]

Final battle with The Joker? It should be like No Mans Land. Where he hands himself in but lets Gordon or Batman find something truly horrible and then they have to resist the urge to kill him. Even though to do so would be perfectly justifiable in that situation.
Maybe Batman would just curb stomp him or something. You know, slap him around like he did to Holiday.

 

[The Joker]

Final battle with The Joker? It should be like No Mans Land. Where he hands himself in but lets Gordon or Batman find something truly horrible and then they have to resist the urge to kill him. Even though to do so would be perfectly justifiable in that situation.

 

[The Joker]

 

[Axtech]

I think that would be a perfect scene in the movie. Except, I think it would work better for the dynamic of the characters if they have Joker do something to upset Batman (kill Rachel? please?), making Bats consider killing him. That way we can see Gordon step up as the voice of reason for the first time in this franchise, as he has done for Bats many times in the comics. Batman would then let them take Joker away, sending him to Arkham, and further solidifying Batman's position on his "one rule".

 

[SheldonLevene]

^^That is awesome where is it from? NML?

 

[Stotch]

WOW....i've never read that but that was...wow

 

[SheldonLevene]

WOW....i've never read that but that was...wow

That was my reaction too.