BvS Batman Vs. Superman... can this be a fair physical fight?

Could a new Batman possibly beat "The Man of Steel" in a fight?

  • Yes, Batman has the resources to beat Superman.

  • No, Batman wouldn't stand a chance agaisnt the current Man of Steel.


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I say just go with it, don't worry about other dc characters stealing other dc characters spot light, the sub title is dawn of justice so it has to include more than just superman. I believe zack Snyder is in control and understands what sort of keys he's been given.

Anyhoo, it's doubt it's going to be a physical fight, that armoured batsuit is probably designed to take a few blows but isn't indistructable, therefor! A dirty fight with tricks and misdirection, who will own who? They both will have their moments in the sun
 
The thing is, Batman is such a malleable character. He always walks that razor's edge between light and dark too, and he's darker in some interpretations than others, so I could honestly see him being portrayed as somewhat of an antagonist that you sort of root for because you see where he's coming from. A grey character perhaps.

Because he's not a hero...he's whatever the story needs him to be...

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Exactly what I want.Batman as an Antagonist with Superman being the Protagonist. Batmans grey nature allows him to be antagonist without it casting a negative light on him.I mean he walked the threshold between hero and villain quite well in TDK comic.

I dont mind Bats winning the fight-only for him to realize he is on the wrong side and teams up Superman who is on the right side.

Let Batman win but let Superman be right.
 
After watching MoS, I just don't see how outside of Kryptonite how Batman has a chance, if he actually threatens Clark's life. If he it gets to the point where Clark has to get serious, there is nothing Batman can do to him. Superman is pretty indestructible and super fast.
 
Superman has already defeated stronger and smarter opponents that used Kryptonite. Stronger, Metallo. Smarter, Lex Luthor. Batman only wins or fights Superman to a standstill, when literally everything is written in Batman's favor, Superman holds back, and also suddenly is an idiot.

Smarter than Batman in DCU? hmmm
 
If they want inspiration for the fight, look to Batman: Brave and Bold's Battle of the Superheroes, Dark Knight Returns animated film, and Justice League: War.

Otherwise have Superman powerbomb Batman and have Batman scorpion deathdrop Superman.
 
Straight up fight, we know it would be difficult for the Bat. But it wont be a straight up fight. we all know that. Batman relies on his intellect against every opponent as much as his physical strength. Why should that MO change just cos its Superman?

The problem I have is this tendency among some more hard-line Superman fans, of all people, to be saying oh enough of of the Bat-God stuff.... err right. Have a look at how Supes powers have developed over time. In a fictional world where an alien is powered by the sun to almost God-like proportions, its fine to have a human being who epitomizes the possible peak of mental and physical ability.

oh Supes cant get beaten up by Bats etc, it just isnt possible etc.. Ive got bad news. Supes will get beaten up in this movie. So will Bats.. but its gonna be a stalemate for sure.
 
quotation marks? is there some kind of qualifier here? which version of Supes and which version of Bats?
The quotes are because so many feel the need to write Supes as a bit of dummy or at least not up to his full potential, especially next to Batman. The truth is all versions of Clark are vastly smarter then Bruce. Clark's alien physiology makes it so. He can think faster then Bruce could ever even fathom. Beings like Brainiac, Darkseid, and others have vast more knowledge and intellect then Bruce. They also like Superman "think" faster then Bruce.
 
All Star Superman would be able to kill every single DC character ever created I feel. That Superman is super OP. If we somehow see that Superman vs a TDKR Miller/Tower of Babel Batman then I'd say the fight will be incredibly equal.

Very possible that Snyder will just give us a Supe God and a Bat God just going at it along with teaming up at some point. That should balance out most criticism I would hope.
 
All Star Superman would be able to kill every single DC character ever created I feel. That Superman is super OP. If we somehow see that Superman vs a TDKR Miller/Tower of Babel Batman then I'd say the fight will be incredibly equal.

Very possible that Snyder will just give us a Supe God and a Bat God just going at it along with teaming up at some point. That should balance out most criticism I would hope.
They are going to have to go way over the top with Batman for him to compete with MoS Superman. I am curious how they do it, especially considering Superman's speed. At one point he was keeping up with Faora, who was like the Flash at times.
 
If they want inspiration for the fight, look to Batman: Brave and Bold's Battle of the Superheroes, Dark Knight Returns animated film, and Justice League: War.

Otherwise have Superman powerbomb Batman and have Batman scorpion deathdrop Superman.
But in JL: War Batman is a total champ and gets owned by Superman hard. And that goes for the rest of Johns' JL run (on which the movie was based). Read Morrison's amazing JL run. That's Batgod done right.
 
I really have no idea how it will pan out and... to be honest, that makes me happy, I can't just think, "Yep, that's how that will go down."

I have so many questions...

When does this take place?
Who is the real antagonist(s)?
Who's the real protagonist(s)?!
Why is WW there?
What's Superman been up to?
Why is does he seem to be angry at Batman?
Why is Batman grinning? What has he done?
What's Lex doing in this movie?

All of these questions can have a butload of different answers!
 
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I'm beginning to feel like a Bat God, Bat God
All my people from the front to the back nod, back nod
Now Superman thinks his arms are long enough to slap box, slap box?
 
This Superman hasn't shown the true speed feats of the comic Superman. Although i expect this Superman in Dawn of Justice to be a bit more powerful after having "pushed his limits".

Really, Batman doesn't have a chance, no matter how much prep time he has. Unless he creates a serum that gives him super fast reflexes and strength.

But you gotta just go with it, as long as it isn't too silly.
 
This Superman hasn't shown the true speed feats of the comic Superman. Although i expect this Superman in Dawn of Justice to be a bit more powerful after having "pushed his limits".

Really, Batman doesn't have a chance, no matter how much prep time he has. Unless he creates a serum that gives him super fast reflexes and strength.

But you gotta just go with it, as long as it isn't too silly.
That's why there is no point in fighting Superman directly. Speaking for myself, my best batman moments are when he uses his mind to win the day not even having to throw one punch. It's who he is and how he deals with his challenges. Ironman will create a new anti____ armor, batman will make a gadget, a plan, or somehow blackmail his way out. He's a ninja, a detective and a strategist.

So i hope the armoured suit doesnt become a thing whenever he's on the JL. I want to see them fight some big cosmic threat and him being in his normal suit, winning the day the batman way. Let the big guns keep the bad guys busy while he sneaks up and delivers the final blow. In Final Crisis he was the one that killed Darkseid for Christ's sakes. And then Superman used his dream machine to stop the world from ending and WW freed the world from the influence of the anti-life equation.

He's the goddamn Batman. He should be effortless. And it is why i always hated the TDK suit which made him look like a poor human in hockey pads.
 
This Superman hasn't shown the true speed feats of the comic Superman. Although i expect this Superman in Dawn of Justice to be a bit more powerful after having "pushed his limits".

Really, Batman doesn't have a chance, no matter how much prep time he has. Unless he creates a serum that gives him super fast reflexes and strength.

But you gotta just go with it, as long as it isn't too silly.

I know most people are sick of the explanations of the Bat suits but I would like if there's a scene of Batman prepping his suit (like in TDKR) with Alfred asking him something like, "Sir, you do realise that all the steel in the world between you and him won't do a thing." With Bruce telling him some mumbo jumbo about how it absorbs the force. (I know, very Cap-like but it's all I got right now!)
 
But see the major thing is speed. Superman could turn Batman into a red mist before he even realizes he's being attacked.

There has to be some equalizer. Or some plot induced stupidity where Superman forgets he has superspeed.

The execution has to be so well done that you kinda just buy it and go along with it.
 
Well, see what you guys make of my example in the script I'm writing.

Batman kidnaps Lois (you'll understand why, once I post it :p) in order to lure Superman out of hiding. He's innocent of the charges made against him by the Government, because America is trying to appease the other superpowers of the world who view him as a threat to their security, and Russia and China will band together into a WW3 against the US. To avoid this, Superman is framed by the Secretary of Defense, who Lex has influenced, to not just contain or exile Superman, but to kill him, with his newly made weapon; Kryptonite (which Lex has mockingly called it).

Anyway, Bruce manages to steal some equipment that Lexcorp created for the US Milatary, only to be used in the events of an Alien attack by US troops, never to be manufactured or acquired openly outside of this event. Since this would could further tensions between other countries if America were to start utilising the new technology. Lex, obviously wants to see his technology and weaponry used against Superman, and with that, would attempt to find a legal loophole in his Government contract, and start mass production on his technology on the public level. PC's and TV's using Kryptonian like components? :p

Batman manages to steal the armour and Kryptonite from Lex, when he brings Bruce Wayne and other company members in, after Bruce publicly declares his support of the arrest of Superman and the use of WE to help bring him in. So, Lex is sure that someone within the company, if not Bruce himself, is Batman or obviously have connections with him.

During the fight! Obviously, Superman would gain the upper hand over Batman and he would be a fool to go into this unprepared. But during his time of preparation, Batman has obviously clocked the strengths and weaknesses of him, and based his own technology, with that of stuff he stole from LexCorp, to match Superman. So, Bruce demonstrates intellectual superiority over Lex.

Of course, it would be impossible for Batman to claim victory just by making himself just AS powerful, fire can't be be fought with fire here. So, Batman NEEDS the use of Kryptonite as there is NO possible way of this fight being fair, and in both sides, nobody wants to see an unfair fight. Just because Superman is obviously more powerful than Batman, and I'm noting it, I don't want to see him win in under 5 minutes just because that is the case. It undermines Batman's strength as a warrior and you'd think, why would the JL want HIM in there? He has no real use to anyone in fighting alien scum. So, his technology and mostly his mind as a tactician, HAS to WOOP Superman with all the gadgetry and brainpower he has on offer.

Then, Superman, gets really pissed and unleashes all his fury on Batman and his gadgetry. Essentially, everything is almost destroyed...

That's how I'm demonstrating the fight between the two, fairly.
Superman wins, hands down.

Only then, Batman uses his final ace in the hole, and sets every Bat-Drone he has (which have been masquerading as Gargoyles the entire time on every building) to attack Superman from every angle, and when he's distracted, Batman fires several rockets at him, laced with Kryptonite gas, this obviously weakens him and ends the fight.
What comes after? I'm debating on the touching scene that has Clark remember the time and lessons he learned from his dad and tells Bruce to do the same and remember himself, or Wonder Woman shows up to stop Bruce delivering the final blow...:hmm

So, you get best of both worlds. Only, I need demonstrate the line from TDKRETURNS that Bruce shares with Clark, and Clark one day calling him "the most dangerous man on earth". That needs to happen to cement a human with no superpowers, as a member of the JL.
 
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But see the major thing is speed. Superman could turn Batman into a red mist before he even realizes he's being attacked.

There has to be some equalizer. Or some plot induced stupidity where Superman forgets he has superspeed.

The execution has to be so well done that you kinda just buy it and go along with it.

I dont really think its a battle to the death, so Superman isnt looking to kill Batman, but to beat him into submission so he can take him in to the authorities. Killing Batman is likely out of the question, so just like in The Dark Knight Returns Superman holding back ends up costing him.

Not really a weakness on the part of Batman, but rather Batman understanding the weakness of the opponent, in this case Superman not wanting to kill him.
 
Yea that is true. Supes ain't gonna be out for the kill. But he could just give him a superspeed backhand and knock Batman out lol
 
The quotes are because so many feel the need to write Supes as a bit of dummy or at least not up to his full potential, especially next to Batman. The truth is all versions of Clark are vastly smarter then Bruce. Clark's alien physiology makes it so. He can think faster then Bruce could ever even fathom. Beings like Brainiac, Darkseid, and others have vast more knowledge and intellect then Bruce. They also like Superman "think" faster then Bruce.

Sure, I agree with everything you said there, makes perfect sense. Bruce is, I guess, a genius at human level but by the same token limited by human mental capacity etc.. he never will be Braniac or something he cannot be. That said. even with those qualifiers Bats is no slacker mentally.
 
But see the major thing is speed. Superman could turn Batman into a red mist before he even realizes he's being attacked.

There has to be some equalizer. Or some plot induced stupidity where Superman forgets he has superspeed.

The execution has to be so well done that you kinda just buy it and go along with it.

Honestly, people will go with it if it's exciting. They accepted the Iron Man vs Thor fight for example.
 

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