Batman vs Superman - World's Finest

[Tobias]

That presumes they can, in fact, have separate viable franchises, however. Until MoS comes out, we won't know.

Superman is the problem here. It should not be the gauge of other DC franchises. WB did not want to make more Superman films because they believe the franchise is basically dead. I don't know of any non-fanboy sources that think MOS will be anything but another big disappointment like SR.

So DC fans are stuck again because of Superman. This is why the best thing that will happen to fans of Flash and WW and the others is 2013 when WB and DC lose Superman and finally, like 20 years too late, the studio will have to focus on Flash and WW and the others.

2013 can't come too soon. It will be a game changer IMO.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm skeptical. WB has been *trying* to bring a Superman movie out for a while, long before Returns, because they think Superman is a moneymaker franchise. The reason they haven't seriously tried to make, say, a Flash movie, is because they *don't* think its a moneymaker, compared to other stuff they could do.

Superman ceasing to be available ( which I am dubious of, mind, I think they'll pay rather than lose him ), wouldn't change the latter dynamic. Instead, its likely you'll get WB going for, I don't know. . . the next hot young adult novel.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I still don't know how there can be negativity directed at MoS. This film will indeed be a game changer not only because Snyder/Goyer/The Nolans are collaborating and the casting was excellent, but because it has to be in order for the hopes of a JLA film to stay alive.

This film could have been released in December but WB is making sure they get it right this time.

 

[Tobias]

I'm skeptical. WB has been *trying* to bring a Superman movie out for a while, long before Returns, because they think Superman is a moneymaker franchise. The reason they haven't seriously tried to make, say, a Flash movie, is because they *don't* think its a moneymaker, compared to other stuff they could do.

I'd qualify that. WB thought Superman was a moneymaker until SR. They were looking for upwards of 600 million and it didn't even do 400 million .

If WB is to be believed under oath (in the heirs' suit against WB) WB no longer thinks Superman is viable as a franchise, let alone a moneymaker.

MOS is being done not because WB wanted to do it. They were forced to.

IMO there are a number of viable DC franchises which could make buck. Superman is not one of them. Until that franchise is off the table next year, WB is not going to go where they have not gone before.

As in stand-alone Flash, WW and Aquaman.

Not saying the floodgates will open at WB after 2013, but WB will finally have to try other DC franchises which is long overdue.

 

[flickchick85]

MoS will basically be the litmus test for whether or not people still want to see Superman, since they seem to be taking the franchise in pretty much the polar opposite direction as SR. If people still don't go see MoS, then it would seem they just don't want Superman anymore.

That said, I believe the results of that litmus test will come out in Superman's favor. I believe that, unless it's an unexpected creative misfire, MoS will do gangbusters at the box office. I think THIS will be the Superman movie people want to see, and it will prove that Supes is still one of the titans of the genre.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Superman Returns failed to captivate the general audience's attention for one colossal reason:

SR was basically a product from another era with too homage to the Donner-verse. Singer made that mistake, The Nolans and Snyder have not. And I'm notably excited about that. They're giving Superman a much needed makeover.

It'll be interesting to see how they utilize the Birthright arc on the big screen.

 

[metaphysician]

I'd qualify that. WB thought Superman was a moneymaker until SR. They were looking for upwards of 600 million and it didn't even do 400 million .

If WB is to be believed under oath (in the heirs' suit against WB) WB no longer thinks Superman is viable as a franchise, let alone a moneymaker.

MOS is being done not because WB wanted to do it. They were forced to.

IMO there are a number of viable DC franchises which could make buck. Superman is not one of them. Until that franchise is off the table next year, WB is not going to go where they have not gone before.

As in stand-alone Flash, WW and Aquaman.

Not saying the floodgates will open at WB after 2013, but WB will finally have to try other DC franchises which is long overdue.

Honestly, I think the smarter guess is that they lied their asses off under oath. But I admit that is just supposition.

As for other franchises, again, they don't *need* to try new DC franchises. They have access to the full panoply of a major movie studio; they could entirely decide to film a couple extra romantic comedies and cheap horror movies for the same money.

 

[QWoods]

GO VOTE PLEASE
http://imaginecasting.com/titles/results/7860/a-new-superman-film-series/

 

[Gabe99]

AICN:
UPDATED WITH OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE! It's official, we are getting a BATMAN/SUPERMAN movie in 2015 that will be inspired by Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS!!!!

 

[Airwings]

Why can't Wolfgang Petersen take up his World's Finest project again? He said he should do it after Troy. Was that film so bad that Warner Brothers did not trust him with a take on Batman vs. Superman?
Or is Petersen too much linked to Roland Emmeric and Michael Bay? I have a feeling he's thrown in the same group as them. Do Warner Brothers fear that it would be either a Bay-esque "blow up cars in a over the top car chase" action party, or an Emmerich-esque end of the world story, either "overblown natural disasters" or "larger than life alien attacks"?
I would like to see Petersen doing it. But there are other competent action directors out there: John McTiernan, James McTeigue, Tony Scott etc....

This post was good material for discussion. So don't shy away from it, or think you have more interesting questions to raise.

 

[BH/HHH]

AICN:
UPDATED WITH OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE! It's official, we are getting a BATMAN/SUPERMAN movie in 2015 that will be inspired by Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS!!!!

That headline shows is typical of the make a mountain out of a mole hill wording. They used the Dark Knight Returns reference a saclike to what they're making not that it's gonna inspire or influence the story.

 

[296wood.]

What do you think about President Luthor as main villain, deathtroke as a hired assasin to kill batman, and MANY metallo robots to take on superman? Only one metallo wouldnt offer much action to the movie. At the end make lex suit up in his armor!

 

[Airwings]

Not long ago, I suggested Jonathan Tucker as a possible (but not definite) Green Lantern. But what if he plays Batman in WF instead?

296wood: Would this film need to have even more action and destruction than MOS? An example will be that Joss Whedon said that Avengers 2 shouldn't be bigger but better, if I remember correctly.
And Metallo has a kryptonite core and it will weaken Supes. Could be interesting to see how the hero will deal with this, and how it will be presented in the film.

 

[296wood.]

Airwings: it doest HAVE to be bigger, but fighting either 1 metallo or batman, superman would have to contain his power, would you like seeing weakened avengers vs 1 human in the sequel? Im just not sure if the fans would accept seeing many metallos, but i think that superman fighting multiple enemies would be fun because in MoS he fights maximum 2 at a time. (sorry for bad english)

 

[Longshot777]

That headline shows is typical of the make a mountain out of a mole hill wording. They used the Dark Knight Returns reference a saclike to what they're making not that it's gonna inspire or influence the story.

EXACTLY!!!!


This is NOT a Batman VERSUS Superman MOVIE.

This will be more like Bruce Timm's World's Finest rather than Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns.

Sure they will fight at first like Thor vs. Ironman but then they will settle their differences to fight the REAL Villain in 2015.

So people are actually thinking it will be an ALL OUT WAR like Dark Knight Returns. How can that progress to the JL for 2017??

 

[shauner111]

Yes it is. How can it NOT progress into JL? They gain mutual respect for one another after the fight, and figure out what Lex is really doing. Handshake and cliffhanger to either the JL movie or a solo film for Batman. Why else would Goyer say they may call it Batman versus Superman or Superman versus Batman?

 

[296wood.]

shauner111 when did goyer say that?

 

[Duke]

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[Destructus86]

The only way I can see them doing this is if they create a Batman character closer to the comics and much farther away from the Nolan version...because the Nolan version wouldn't stand a chance against Superman. Heck, the Nolan version wouldn't stand a change against the comic versions of his own rogue gallery

 

[Grommers]

The only way I can see them doing this is if they create a Batman character closer to the comics and much farther away from the Nolan version...because the Nolan version wouldn't stand a chance against Superman. Heck, the Nolan version wouldn't stand a change against the comic versions of his own rogue gallery

Don't under estimate the Batman.

 

[phoenixflight]

 

[bapi]

Do you know what would be awesome? Cavill's Superman meeting Supermen from other dimensions played by Cage, Hartnett, Bomer...

 

[Airwings]

Airwings: it doest HAVE to be bigger, but fighting either 1 metallo or batman, superman would have to contain his power, would you like seeing weakened avengers vs 1 human in the sequel? Im just not sure if the fans would accept seeing many metallos, but i think that superman fighting multiple enemies would be fun because in MoS he fights maximum 2 at a time. (sorry for bad english)

Will not need an army of Metallos. He's weakening Supes by having kryptonite inside of him, and our hero must find someone who can help him.
Metallo is too strong for Batman alone, but together they will take him down.

 

[TehZach]

Honestly even after this announcement I still say that Lex and Metallo should be the villains in this film.

Metallo will provide the action sequences.

Lex will provide the scheming and the evil plots.

And as for the Justice League film, I hope they hold off on Darkseid for awhile and make Brainiac the first JL film's villain. Because Darkseid will take alot of backstory that one film won't be able to carry over to the average moviegoer.

I know that neither of those two villains have been confirmed but come on, who else are they gonna use?