We're done with Joker for a while in Batman films. I think it should be someone else of his villains.
Agree with you there...
We're done with Joker for a while in Batman films. I think it should be someone else of his villains.
So I guess Batman turns out alright at the end of TDKR.Essentially, they're hoping they can woo Christian Bale back into the cape-and-cowl for a fourth time...
Ryan J. Downey said:In what could be the biggest cinematic battle since King Kong wrestled Godzilla in 1962's "Kingukongu tai Gojira," the Caped Crusader will square off against the Man of Steel in "Batman vs. Superman."
"[It's] never happened before," said Wolfgang Petersen, who plans to direct (or is that referee?) the movie. "You had it in some of the comic books, but never on the big screen. They're so different. ... It sets up great material for drama."
Petersen's no stranger to drama, as the German-born director helmed "Air Force One" and "In the Line of Fire." He's now working on a story by "Seven" scribe Andrew Kevin Walker that pits the two iconic heroes against each other during a time of crisis. And though Petersen is reluctant to spill many secrets, he has promised that "Batman vs. Superman" will contain villains, lots of action and absolutely no Robin.
"I cannot tell you what really gets them together. I can say that much of [the conflict] is because of the different philosophies that they represent," the director said. "Superman represents sort of everything clear and bright and noble. He represents our hopes and ideals. Batman, on the other hand, represents the dark and obsessive and vengeful side.
"The plot is structured in a way that these two very different sides basically of the same coin have to clash at some point because they handle situations totally differently. ... For a large portion of the thing they are at each other's throats. But then, of course, because they are both crime fighters, they join forces again and fight evil."
Petersen, who has yet to cast anyone, said he wants serious actors and not action stars to assume the title roles.
"We have a script that really very, very much concentrates on the characters," he said. "It's really material for two great actors."
Though he mentioned Matt Damon in an interview with Variety, Petersen said he only cited the "Bourne Identity" star as an example of what he's talking about "Someone where we so far did not really think of as a big action hero [who] turned out be a great actor who can also do great action. ... He's one of these kind of guys, but there's a lot of these guys out there."
And a lot of guys, including Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer and George Clooney, have previously portrayed Batman on the big screen. Christopher Reeve, of course, played Superman in four well-known films. Petersen said "Batman vs. Superman" will steer clear of the conventions laid down in each film series, though he admitted some degree of influence from the DC Comics series "World's Finest."
"I love [the Batman and Superman films] very, very much," Petersen said. "Especially in both cases the first two. I saw them over and over again. ... ['Batman vs. Superman'] is part of the lore of the Superman films and the Superman comics and the same with Batman, but it's also different. First of all, the dynamics are different because if they are in one movie together it changes a lot of things and it gives you a new perspective on superheroes. ... You have also the look and feel of Metropolis, the bright golden city, and the feel of Gotham, which is a shadowy, sinister city, in the same movie. This is Superman/Batman of the time after September 11th, also. It takes place in today or tomorrow's world."
"Batman vs. Superman" has long been one of many projects involving the two titans in development at Warner Bros., which owns the rights to all of DC Comics' heroes. The "Superman Lives" project, which had Tim Burton ("Batman"), Nicolas Cage and Kevin Smith ("Clerks") all attached at various times, has long been dormant. But a spokesperson for Darren Aronofsky ("Requiem for a Dream") has confirmed the filmmaker's plans to make "Batman: Year One." There is also a "Catwoman" flick in the works with Ashley Judd in the lead role, and there's talk of a live-action movie based on the "Batman Beyond" cartoon (see ).
Although those movies as well as other comic-inspired flicks like "Daredevil" (see ) and "The Punisher" (see "Punisher Is Next Comic Hero Headed For Big Screen") have received a boost in the buzz department thanks to the $400 million box office success of "Spider-Man," Petersen said "Batman vs. Superman" will be very different from Tobey Maguire's record-breaking blockbuster.
" 'Spider-Man' has a very sweet and light touch to it and is very romantic with Kirsten Dunst and Tobey," Petersen said. "Ours will be more dramatic. What 'Spider-Man' did quite good was the swinging Spider-Man through New York. Our thing, with Superman flying, will be an unbelievable, amazing new experience that you've never, ever seen before, because it's a long time ago with the 'Superman' films."
Petersen is eyeing a 2004 release for "Batman vs. Superman."
Libidoloca: No, I think I want to establish a new Batman before that. A Caped Crusader named one
What's wrong with Caped Crusader??
Anyway, I agree that this should precede yea even lead into a JL film. It will most likely be superior because it won't be bogged down introducing or putting in contact 5-10 characters. It's much easier to manage two relationships than 16. In short, it's much easier to do right.
That said, Joker and Lex Luthor are bad ideas. The reason I don't like these storylines is that they never challenge Superman. It's hard to imagine it without Lex though, since he works as a villain for both, but in movie terms, he will either be exhausted or not yet introduced when this comes out.
I would suggest a superman villain that Batman can defeat and a Batman villain that is a challenge for Superman. Hard to find, I know, but Bizzaro is a great character Batman can break down with logic and Kryptonite, and works great as a flunkie to almost any of Batman's foes. Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy have the biology background necessary, and both can, potentially, fell the Man of Steel. Poison Ivy, especially has the skill to pit the two heroes against each other.
Or you could split the difference and do Vandal Savage and Solomon Grundy. Or split it further and just do a simplified streamlined Darkseid.
As far as the "Caped Crusader" title, I'm not sure exactly why. I think it's that "The Caped Crusader" lacks the gravitas of "The Dark Knight" in my opinion.
Yes, one can easily create a darker meaning for it. And a Batman film called Caped Crusader would just sound COOL.The Caped Crusader is associated with Adam West...but you can easily associate it with something else. Call it TCC, and punch out with a darker meaning to it. Cause a Crusader is a fighter for good, during the dark ages...get my drift?