The Dark Knight Rises Batman's journey in the next one...

[TheDarkKnight08]

I was recently having a conversation with a friend that had just watched The Dark Knight. The topic was, where does Bruce/Batman go from here?

Will his parent's death and his guilt be adressed?

Will his training and lessons, like Gotham destruction will be its enlightening, be reflected upon?

Will Rachel's death become a bigger part of his motivation to finally rid Gotham of crime?

How much impact will his decision at the end impact, not just him, but the rest of Gotham?

Will we finally see Bruce not relying on Lucius and become more self-sufficient?

There are a lot of questions to be asked, and if there's already a topic on this, please close. If not please discuss.

 

[Doc Samson]

One issue I want to see a bit more examined is his reaction to Rachel's death. One of the small gripes I had was his quick recovery from it. I know the movie had so much into it, but at the same time, I didn't think it was as pivotal as it should of been. He was great in the scene where he was sitting alone and close to tears, but after that, he was ok. Maybe he's getting colder as far as his emotions go, but I felt Harvey was alot more broken up than Bruce, even though Bruce grew up with her and knew her almost his whole life.

I also wonder if Alfred will ever reveal to him the truth about Rachel wanting to marry Dent and not waiting for Bruce to put down the mantle. One of the best moments of the movie to me was when Alfred slyly took the letter away when he heard Bruce say she was gonna wait for him. Now that Alfred burned the letter, will Bruce ever find out, and if he is told, will he believe it?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

I would like fall bruce to lose himself to his batman persona more...realise his efforts are futile and he needs to give up his life for the cause.

I would also like to see him grow as a detective.

 

[Crook]

The only ounce of Rachel's presence I would be fine in the next film is a darker Bruce who is now intimately out-of-touch. And that's really it. I don't even so much as want her name to be mentioned because I hate the character with such a passion.

With that said, the events of TDK do pave a way for a new love-interest and a Bruce who is now fully "trapped" in the cape and cowl with no real hope of turning back. I don't think since BR has this thematic been explored much outside the comics, so that's at the top of my wishlist as of now.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Agree with the idea that Wayne is trapped with Batman. In BB he created Batman thinking it was finite. In DK he was about to give it up. Now that his hope for a normal life is dead and he's a fugitive there's no going back.

 

[Shane Diesel]

One issue I want to see a bit more examined is his reaction to Rachel's death. One of the small gripes I had was his quick recovery from it. I know the movie had so much into it, but at the same time, I didn't think it was as pivotal as it should of been. He was great in the scene where he was sitting alone and close to tears, but after that, he was ok. Maybe he's getting colder as far as his emotions go, but I felt Harvey was alot more broken up than Bruce, even though Bruce grew up with her and knew her almost his whole life.

I also wonder if Alfred will ever reveal to him the truth about Rachel wanting to marry Dent and not waiting for Bruce to put down the mantle. One of the best moments of the movie to me was when Alfred slyly took the letter away when he heard Bruce say she was gonna wait for him. Now that Alfred burned the letter, will Bruce ever find out, and if he is told, will he believe it?

Someone mentioned this before but I thought the reaction to Rachel's death by Wayne and Dent was depicted well. Wayne's damaged goods and emotionally cold. His reaction was indicative of someone who's emotionally locked up. However, Dent went crazy b/c he wore his heart on his sleeve.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

One issue I want to see a bit more examined is his reaction to Rachel's death. One of the small gripes I had was his quick recovery from it. I know the movie had so much into it, but at the same time, I didn't think it was as pivotal as it should of been. He was great in the scene where he was sitting alone and close to tears, but after that, he was ok. Maybe he's getting colder as far as his emotions go, but I felt Harvey was alot more broken up than Bruce, even though Bruce grew up with her and knew her almost his whole life.

I also wonder if Alfred will ever reveal to him the truth about Rachel wanting to marry Dent and not waiting for Bruce to put down the mantle. One of the best moments of the movie to me was when Alfred slyly took the letter away when he heard Bruce say she was gonna wait for him. Now that Alfred burned the letter, will Bruce ever find out, and if he is told, will he believe it?

I think the only way that it might ever come out would probably rely on dent, if he survives for the sequel, I could see Dent Kidnapping bruce and them having a conversation about her leading to dent telling bruce she had agreed to marry him and then when bruce escapes and is clearly distraught about that aspect, alfred confirm it or something along those lines.

 

[TimidationGame]

You are missing what is going on here. Everything that happens is a result of Bruces actions in a cause effect manner.

The question you should be asking is what and/or why are things happening, and what does he need to do or not to break the cycle.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

batman shouldn't be so reactive, the point of batman is that he's always proactive to the nature of gotham, he plans everything and always knows he'll be needed, which is why it's impossible for him to rest and he becomes obsessive with his work.

the reactive catalysts that make him who he is have all but played out, family death, supervillain activity and no love interest.

 

[TimidationGame]

Gotham is suspended in the question, is he the one, can he really take it and will he accept keeping the role of our protector and gaurdian.

 

[Nepenthes]

batman shouldn't be so reactive, the point of batman is that he's always proactive to the nature of gotham, he plans everything and always knows he'll be needed, which is why it's impossible for him to rest and he becomes obsessive with his work.

the reactive catalysts that make him who he is have all but played out, family death, supervillain activity and no love interest.

thats similar to what I was thinking. though my idea is probably a little more extreme than what you had in mind. I posted this in the 'theme' thread but what the heck.

Batman should be wondering whether he should step out of the shadows and play a dominant and proactive role in managing the underworld and enforcing that the police and courts stay honest. Perhaps the answer is more control and visibility, not less. If he's gonna be the batman, if this is what his life is going to be, if the city of Gotham has forced him into this corner, then he's may as well be the Goddamn Batman and not some meddling, hiding, self-pitying 'dark knight'. What a foolish notion that is, when the city is crying out for a firmer hand. He's gonna start saying things like "this is my city" and breaking into the homes of elected officials, anyone, doesn't matter, and he's gonna start calling the shots. Enter Bane, who has been doing this as the dictator of Santa Prisca for years, ever since he took control of a prison and rallied poor workers and led a revolt against the corrupt military government.

 

[COMPO]

The only ounce of Rachel's presence I would be fine in the next film is a darker Bruce who is now intimately out-of-touch. And that's really it. I don't even so much as want her name to be mentioned because I hate the character with such a passion.

With that said, the events of TDK do pave a way for a new love-interest and a Bruce who is now fully "trapped" in the cape and cowl with no real hope of turning back. I don't think since BR has this thematic been explored much outside the comics, so that's at the top of my wishlist as of now.

I'd say bring Catwoman in for this cos now that Rachale is gone. To him she was 'his only hope for a normal life' and now shes gone. He doesn't think he can have that now and with Dent gone he's got no one to pass it on to.

With Catwoman she coudl sort of tempt him with ther notion of "yes you can have a normal life with Selina but also stay Batman and save Gotham with me'

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I would like fall bruce to lose himself to his batman persona more...realise his efforts are futile and he needs to give up his life for the cause.

I would also like to see him grow as a detective.

Agreed.

 

[Doc Samson]

thats similar to what I was thinking. though my idea is probably a little more extreme than what you had in mind. I posted this in the 'theme' thread but what the heck.

Batman should be wondering whether he should step out of the shadows and play a dominant and proactive role in managing the underworld and enforcing that the police and courts stay honest. Perhaps the answer is more control and visibility, not less. If he's gonna be the batman, if this is what his life is going to be, if the city of Gotham has forced him into this corner, then he's may as well be the Goddamn Batman and not some meddling, hiding, self-pitying 'dark knight'. What a foolish notion that is, when the city is crying out for a firmer hand. He's gonna start saying things like "this is my city" and breaking into the homes of elected officials, anyone, doesn't matter, and he's gonna start calling the shots. Enter Bane, who has been doing this as the dictator of Santa Prisca for years, ever since he took control of a prison and rallied poor workers and led a revolt against the corrupt military government.

I agree, which goes back to my theory about Nolan "Borrowing" some aspects of TDKR, not a direct interpretation, but just the idea of the true "outlaw" Batman, setting the time to a couple years, if not more, from TDK, to show the effects of Gotham on the older more grizzled Crusader. I want the guy who barely ever takes off the suit, who isn't masquerading around playing the buffoon Bruce Wayne anymore, the Clint Eastwood type of Batman who almost exclusively dwells in the dark, even when he's home, lol.

Someone mentioned in another thread about Batman as the villain himself, which I don't agree with, but I think he should be alot scarier and omnipresent. I want to see him take on the criminals & the cops, with equal disregard. In BB, he elected to use a distraction to escape from Arkham rather than engage the SWAT team, now I want to see him invite that kind of altercation

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I agree, which goes back to my theory about Nolan "Borrowing" some aspects of TDKR, not a direct interpretation, but just the idea of the true "outlaw" Batman, setting the time to a couple years, if not more, from TDK, to show the effects of Gotham on the older more grizzled Crusader. I want the guy who barely ever takes off the suit, who isn't masquerading around playing the buffoon Bruce Wayne anymore, the Clint Eastwood type of Batman who almost exclusively dwells in the dark, even when he's home, lol.

Someone mentioned in another thread about Batman as the villain himself, which I don't agree with, but I think he should be alot scarier and omnipresent. I want to see him take on the criminals & the cops, with equal disregard. In BB, he elected to use a distraction to escape from Arkham rather than engage the SWAT team, now I want to see him invite that kind of altercation

Agreed.

I think it's great that Nolan's been taking a lot from Miller's Batman, not just TDKR. There are also a lot or Year One references in BB, as well as TDK. I hope that Nolan decides to take from TDKR next time, as well.

 

[The Batman]

the only reason i'd want to see the kind of batman that many are mentioning here is for nolan to show that ultimately, that kind of Batman dosent work at all...Bruce Wayne needs his humanity