The Dark Knight Batman's Theme Music in TDK

[darknight7]

I know that the Elfman theme is awesome and everyone lives in (including me)...but why in any way shape or form, would they use it or build up to it in this series, when it has been CLEARLY stated that this series has nothing to do with the last series.

IMO, the theme will sound like the one in the ending credits of BB...

If it is along the lines of that theme, it will be awesome
--dk7

 

[darknight7]

I don't want the B89 theme because I don't think it's the end-all be-all of Batman themes. And it's just a bit too gothic for the tone of Nolan's world.

I'd prefer it if Nolan used Shirley Walker's Batman theme, honestly. That's the definitive Batman theme, IMO.


I've seen it done on a vid somewhere on YouTube. Didn't think it worked at all.[/quote]

I didn't think so either

--dk7

 

[sglass03]

Wow, well color me outdated, then.

In any case, I'm hoping, hoping, hoping that Joker gets his own theme in "TDK." I realize Zimmer didn't do many "character" motifs in "Begins" (besides Ras, I'm not sure anyone else had their own "musical cue.") However, if anyone has listened to the excellence that is "The Fountain" soundtrack, something like the song "Tree of Life" would make an excellent Joker theme - a threatening drum line with eery strings playing on top.

 

[sasquatchs]

Wow, well color me outdated, then.

In any case, I'm hoping, hoping, hoping that Joker gets his own theme in "TDK." I realize Zimmer didn't do many "character" motifs in "Begins" (besides Ras, I'm not sure anyone else had their own "musical cue.") However, if anyone has listened to the excellence that is "The Fountain" soundtrack, something like the song "Tree of Life" would make an excellent Joker theme - a threatening drum line with eery strings playing on top.

I could see something like the beginning of Nycteris for Joker's quieter stuff, kind of a really slowed down Ballerina Music Box sound, creepy

 

[CConn]

I don't want the B89 theme because I don't think it's the end-all be-all of Batman themes. And it's just a bit too gothic for the tone of Nolan's world. It would have to be significantly re-orchestrated to fit, and would lose all its awesomeness in the process.

I'd prefer it if Nolan used Shirley Walker's Batman theme. That's the definitive Batman theme, IMO.

I have no problem with that. That's your opinion. Personally, I prefer the B89 theme a tad more than Walker's. Do I think it's the be all end all? I dunno. I do know - or think, rather - that it's the best Batman theme I've heard yet.

I've seen it done on a vid somewhere on YouTube. Didn't think it worked at all.

I've seen that. I couldn't decide one way or another on it, personally. It was just, like...different. Neither better nor worse. Maybe a little out a place due to not being specifically composed for BB's scenes (y'know, they used Williams' theme in SR, but they still specifically tailored it to SR's score), but other than that, it wasn't bad, IMO.

But, again, I'm not really even trying to argue that Nolan should've used B89's theme. I would've been perfectly happy with a new score as long as it had a definitive theme.

 

[Maggotx9]

If it's anything like the BB "theme" then this sucks...i want a memorable theme, like B89 had and all the cartoons.

agree

 

[CConn]

I think what CConn is getting at could be demonstrated with the example of James Bond. All 21 movies have had different scores throughout the film, but it does also go back to that one central theme.

Oh, BatMatt. You are a gift.

 

[sasquatchs]

The Bond movies don't disown each other though

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

So why couldn't we just keep the Batman '66 theme? It could be made into a serious theme, couldn't it?

 

[CConn]

The Bond movies don't disown each other though

But that's my point; music isn't a plot point. It's not Joker shooting Batman's parents. It's not Michael Keaton dressed up in 200 lbs of rubber. It's music. It's made to sound good, it's only purpose is to sound good (okay, that's a really big simplification, but still...), there's no reason why, IMO, simply because BB isn't tied to B89, that it can't use its theme.

Also, it should be noted, Casino Royale disowned pretty much all of the other Bond movies and still used the theme. So even there, your argument doesn't hold up.

 

[CConn]

So why couldn't we just keep the Batman '66 theme? It could be made into a serious theme, couldn't it?

Again, you TOTALLY miss my point. Why not keep the B66 theme? Because it didn't fit the tone of B89 or BB? PERFECTLY fine reason not to use it.

Why not keep the B89 theme? Because it didn't fit with the tone of BB (supposedly)? PERFECTLY fine reason not to use it.

I have never, ever said anything to the contrary of that.

 

[sasquatchs]

Also, it should be noted, Casino Royale disowned pretty much all of the other Bond movies and still used the theme. So even there, your argument doesn't hold up.

Casino Royale didn't disown though, it just moved things back to a serious tone again

 

[CConn]

Casino Royale didn't disown though, it just moved things back to a serious tone again

The producers actually said NUMEROUS times that it isn't tied to the other films.

There were several inconsistencies in the film that - basically - denoted it as being separate from the other films, but it's been so long since I've seen it, I can't quite recall them.

Still, that isn't what I've been trying to get at all, so it's pointless to discuss.

 

[Bright Knight]

Also, it should be noted, Casino Royale disowned pretty much all of the other Bond movies and still used the theme. So even there, your argument doesn't hold up.

What the hell did it disown?

 

[sasquatchs]

The producers actually said NUMEROUS times that it isn't tied to the other films.

There were several inconsistencies in the film that - basically - denoted it as being separate from the other films, but it's been so long since I've seen it, I can't quite recall them.

Still, that isn't what I've been trying to get at all, so it's pointless to discuss.

Why have the argument at all, Nolan aint going to do it. The only way it could be introduced is if Zimmer and Howard are unconciously inspired by it.

 

[CConn]

Why have the argument at all, Nolan aint going to do it. The only way it could be introduced is if Zimmer and Howard are unconciously inspired by it.

I'm not having the argument at all. I never said I thought Nolan should do it or that I'm disappointed that he didn't. I simply said I didn't understand some people's arguments for not wanting to hear the B89 theme used in BB. That has nothing to do with Nolan. Nothing to do with the actual production of BB or TDK. It was simply a statement of...puzzlement.

 

[CConn]

What the hell did it disown?

Why are you cursing?

 

[Carnotaur3]

Listen to the trailer music in this Batman Begins trailer at 1:44 to 2:05. It's a theme that's in the actual score but it seems more complete than what we got in the movie. I believe it's either from the actual theme or Howard and Zimmer made it for the trailer exclusively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMV9EtLiu9c

 

[BatMatt]

Oh, BatMatt. You are a gift.

gracias :heart:

 

[sasquatchs]

I'm not having the argument at all. I never said I thought Nolan should do it or that I'm disappointed that he didn't. I simply said I didn't understand some people's arguments for not wanting to hear the B89 theme used in BB. That has nothing to do with Nolan. Nothing to do with the actual production of BB or TDK. It was simply a statement of...puzzlement.

Well it could work fairly well, I think every can agree it's iconic and memorable. But I'd rather be suprised with a new take on everything rather than clinging to past glory, even if that means some elements of TDK aren't as great

 

[CConn]

Well it could work fairly well, I think every can agree it's iconic and memorable. But I'd rather be suprised with a new take on everything rather than clinging to past glory, even if that means some elements of TDK aren't as great

Now that's a pretty good answer.

Still, I disagree. I find things are best when you combine the best of everything you can find and condense it into one product. Y'know how, say, BB combined Year One, with The Man Who Falls, with classic O'Neil Batman characterization? That was fantastic because it didn't just try to do something new and off the wall (say, like Miller did with DKR Batman), it merely reformed and reinvigorated the best of what was already out there.

But hell, if they had simply put ANY memorable theme into BB, I would've been happy with it.

 

[sasquatchs]

Now that's a pretty good answer.

Still, I disagree. I find things are best when you combine the best of everything you can find and condense it into one product. Y'know how, say, BB combined Year One, with The Man Who Falls, with classic O'Neil Batman characterization? That was fantastic because it didn't just try to do something new and off the wall (say, like Miller did with DKR Batman), it merely reformed and reinvigorated the best of what was already out there.

But hell, if they had simply put ANY memorable theme into BB, I would've been happy with it.

In terms of the comics, absolutely. But I think its better to go back to the source to be inspired than rely on a second generation copy

 

[CConn]

In terms of the comics, absolutely. But I think its better to go back to the source to be inspired than rely on a second generation copy

But no original source exists in terms of music. If anything, Elfman's theme would be the original copy of a serious Batman theme.

 

[Bond]

How do we always end up talking about Bond?

 

[sasquatchs]

But no original source exists in terms of music. If anything, Elfman's theme would be the original copy of a serious Batman theme.

Yea, it was a bad analogy when I wrote it, I was hoping you wouldn't pick up on that But I don't think the comics compare with the music either.

My philosophy is, if it isn't integral to the universe, either do something new or don't bother rehashing it