Batsuit.

[AndrewGilkison]

After seeing Deadpool And Wolverine...

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I really hope Gunn has the balls to finally give us the white lenses on the cowl. I don't care about the whiners like Bill from Batman On Film who could endlessly complain about it ("tHe EyEs ArE tOo ImPoRtEnt.")

 

[Invader Joker]

After seeing Deadpool And Wolverine...

Spoiler

I really hope Gunn has the balls to finally give us the white lenses on the cowl. I don't care about the whiners like Bill from Batman On Film who could endlessly complain about it ("tHe EyEs ArE tOo ImPoRtEnt.")

Funny because Deadpool and Wolverine is the one thing that cemented to me they don't work and should never try them on Batman.

 

[Rick190293]

I didn't like the execution on Wolv's mask too. Felt too emotionless. But I'm all in if it moves like Tom's spidey.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

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I thought it was fine. It made Jackman's Wolverine feel like the comic book/animated series Wolverine, which is what I liked about it and what I want for Batman at this point. I found it less jarring than Matt Reeves giving us a CGI stunt man Batman in the third act of his dark and gritty "realistic" detective film-noir Batman movie, who moved around like a video game character. Why people accept that but poo poo white lenses on the mask, I have no idea.

 

[routhman]

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I thought it was fine. It made Jackman's Wolverine feel like the comic book/animated series Wolverine, which is what I liked about it and what I want for Batman at this point. I found it less jarring than Matt Reeves giving us a CGI stunt man Batman in the third act of his dark and gritty "realistic" detective film-noir Batman movie, who moved around like a video game character. Why people accept that but poo poo white lenses on the mask, I have no idea.

I can definitely see the white lenses working in Gunn’s more Marvel-esque universe. Perhaps the lenses could be retractable, so that he deactivates them when speaking with people like Gordon or civilians needing an emotional connection, but activates them when facing off against criminals or when in need of night vision. That approach could help address those concerns.

To someone else’s point, the Spider-Man films have done just fine with emotional scenes. It just requires more physicality and vocal emoting from the actor.

EDIT: One idea I’ve never seen proposed is to have the eyes look like the comics in far shots, but to have the iris show somewhat through when closer to the actor’s face — like a pale, semi-transparent screen over the actor’s actual eyes.

I’m not a digital artist by any means, but I’ve attached a few mockups based on Pattinson’s cowl, showing different degrees of obscurity. The first example is more like the comics, where the eyes are glowing and the iris is totally concealed, and the last example is more like the clouded eyes of a blind person.

 

[Invader Joker]

I didn't like the execution on Wolv's mask too. Felt too emotionless. But I'm all in if it moves like Tom's spidey.

I can definitely see the white lenses working in Gunn’s more Marvel-esque universe. Perhaps the lenses could be retractable, so that he deactivates them when speaking with people like Gordon or civilians needing an emotional connection, but activates them when facing off against criminals or when in need of night vision. That approach could help address those concerns.

To someone else’s point, the Spider-Man films have done just fine with emotional scenes. It just requires more physicality and vocal emoting from the actor.

EDIT: One idea I’ve never seen proposed is to have the eyes look like the comics in far shots, but to have the iris show somewhat through when closer to the actor’s face — like a pale, semi-transparent screen over the actor’s actual eyes.

I think Spider-Man is kind of an awful example to use. Batman's mask and Spider-Man's mask are way too different, starting from the fact Spidey's cover his whole face and Batman's doesn't, also Spider-Man's eyes have always been hyper exaggerated and cartoony, so it's not really that jarring to see them moving the way they do in the MCU.

 

[routhman]

I think Spider-Man is kind of an awful example to use. Batman's mask and Spider-Man's mask are way too different, starting from the fact Spidey's cover his whole face and Batman's doesn't, also Spider-Man's eyes have always been hyper exaggerated and cartoony, so it's not really that jarring to see them moving the way they do in the MCU.

I don’t think it’s a bad example. It’s a more extreme example. First, all you’ve shown is that Batman has more of his face to work with, even if we allow his eyes to be concealed, so concealing his eyes should be less of a burden on the performance. Second, Batman’s eyes are pretty animated in the comics, as well, so I don’t think introducing animation would be any different than the jump from Toby’s Spider-Man to Tom’s.

 

[Invader Joker]

I don’t think it’s a bad example. It’s a more extreme example. First, all you’ve shown is that Batman has more of his face to work with, even if we allow his eyes to be concealed, so concealing his eyes should be less of a burden on the performance. Second, Batman’s eyes are pretty animated in the comics, as well, so I don’t think introducing animation would be any different than the jump from Toby’s Spider-Man to Tom’s.

What I mean is that design wise Spider-Man's eyes in the mask have always been ridiculously big to inhuman proportions, which isn't the case with Batman's.

 

[Rick190293]

I think more of how Spidey's eyes are animated, the way they show emotion, that can be done with Batman.

 

[skiddyboy]

Saw this on Instagram, both are interesting ideas for a universe where Superman wears his jockeys outside his trousers:

 

[Sawyer]

It’s so funny to see Deadpool and Wolverine kick up the white lenses **** all over again, because… it was literally just fine. It looked okay. Not great, not bad, just okay.

But it really wasn’t worth all this endless “they have to do it, they have to do it!”

 

[TheGDBatman]

It’s so funny to see Deadpool and Wolverine kick up the white lenses **** all over again, because… it was literally just fine. It looked okay. Not great, not bad, just okay.

But it really wasn’t worth all this endless “they have to do it, they have to do it!”

Truthfully, Wolverine’s eyes didn’t do it for me. Rest of the costume was great. The white eyes just look so…hollow. Compare it to RBatz’s eyes in The Batman and it’s not even close.

 

[Sawyer]

I almost feel like seeing those eyes on Wolverine have done more to turn me against the idea than anything. It was cool for a scene or two, but I don’t want a whole movie of Wolverine like that, and I definitely don’t want it for Batman.

I’d say it only works on Deadpool because he’s supposed to be a ****ing cartoon.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Seeing Batman's eyes in live action was always a product of the technology that live action films and TV shows were made from and what was possible. They never had the ability to do the white lenses like they can now. I think we can move past the panda bear eye makeup bull**** we've been seeing for over 30 years.

Batman is supposed to be a mysterious creature of the night, so it doesn't make sense for Bruce Wayne (one of the most famous people in the DC universe) to let people see his eyes while he's Batman.

Blade has worn sunglasses for most of his films, and I never see anyone go on about ThE AcToRs EyEs ArE ToO ImPoRtAnT. Probably because people are used to seeing Wesley Snipes wearing sunglasses for most of his Blade scenes. Its not jarring when you commit to it from the beginning.

 

[WayneMB]

Seeing Batman's eyes in live action was always a product of the technology that live action films and TV shows were made from and what was possible. They never had the ability to do the white lenses like they can now. I think we can move past the panda bear eye makeup bull**** we've been seeing for over 30 years.

Batman is supposed to be a mysterious creature of the night, so it doesn't make sense for Bruce Wayne (one of the most famous people in the DC universe) to let people see his eyes while he's Batman.

Blade has worn sunglasses for most of his films, and I never see anyone go on about ThE AcToRs EyEs ArE ToO ImPoRtAnT. Probably because people are used to seeing Wesley Snipes wearing sunglasses for most of his Blade scenes. Its not jarring when you commit to it from the beginning.

no

 

[Verbal21]

I'm still in the camp that wants to see Batman with white eyes. I mean, for a guy who likes to hide in the shadows, it'd make sense he'd have some sort of lens to help him see better. I think it'd be a win-win case for them to be retractable when he's in hiding, or even in battle. And then do the usual eye mascara whenever he's in a dialogue scene. Easy enough.

 

[J.Drangal]

Full disclaimer: I'm NOT a white eyes enthusiast at all.
For me, just like the blue highlights in the black hair (or on the cape and cowl...), all these things are graphic elements belonging to the medium of comics and illustration.
It's not meant to look like that “IRL”.


BUT... I'm always interested in testing things.


Working from the idea that, in-universe, Batman could wear lenses to enhance his supernatural aspect and hide his identity further, and that out-of-universe, we need the actor's eyes to maintain some emotional connection, I wondered what lenses that weren't totally opaque would look like... So here it is :



I find the rendering realistic (in the sense that it's a valid simulation of the rendering) and thought it might be of interest to some, whatever their position on the matter...

 

[BattleAngel]

Full disclaimer: I'm NOT a white eyes enthusiast at all.
For me, just like the blue highlights in the black hair (or on the cape and cowl...), all these things are graphic elements belonging to the medium of comics and illustration.
It's not meant to look like that “IRL”.


BUT... I'm always interested in testing things.


Working from the idea that, in-universe, Batman could wear lenses to enhance his supernatural aspect and hide his identity further, and that out-of-universe, we need the actor's eyes to maintain some emotional connection, I wondered what lenses that weren't totally opaque would look like... So here it is :

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I find the rendering realistic (in the sense that it's a valid simulation of the rendering) and thought it might be of interest to some, whatever their position on the matter...

Love these.

For me, the in-world reasons are most compelling.
1- Iris scanning technology exists and is highly developed and there’s no way (a cool headed, long term crusading) Bruce would accept that vulnerability
2- Ballistic eye protection is hugely hugely hugely important in the field. He would account for this. (The Batman was already hyper fantastical in his woundless of the explosions, so whatever)

There’s the creature of the night thing, but that’s not even relevant given these two practicalities. But his OCD about contingencies is part of his character and leaving these untreated undercuts his character imo.

Out of world, yes, they need to be retractable and/or opaque (my vote is opaque, reflective like cat eyes but not glowing, and retractable). I did love the look in the ‘other movie’ but he wasn’t on screen that way for long. I’m not sure it would have held up over the duration.

 

[routhman]

Rather than being mechanically retractable, I could easily believe lenses that are capable of switching between two different digital phases, with the lenses switching from transparent to opaque white on demand. This avoids the bulbous, ant-eye effect of Nolan’s take.

The concept is not very different from glass smart panels, which are capable of switching between transparent and opaque under an electric current. It’s only slightly different in that he needs to be able to see through them, but there’s enough basis in reality that I can buy the existence of the technology in a sci-fi setting.

He could activate the lenses when he wants to fight and intimidate, but relax them when he wants to interact with trusted people. Either way, I agree that some amount of concealment at all times is good for hiding his identity.

 

[Boom]

Deadpool and Wolverine convinced me that I don't want to see lenses.

 

[TheGDBatman]

Deadpool and Wolverine convinced me that I don't want to see lenses.

It was fun seeing Hugh Jackman in the mask, but if I had to watch that for an entire movie then I’d need CGI eyes too because imma claw mine out.

 

[GreenKToo]

K.i.s.s.- keep it simple stupid.
Less is more, and more is less.

I don't wanna see some armored plated batman that makes me wonder how does he even move in that.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

After seeing Deadpool And Wolverine...

Spoiler

I really hope Gunn has the balls to finally give us the white lenses on the cowl. I don't care about the whiners like Bill from Batman On Film who could endlessly complain about it ("tHe EyEs ArE tOo ImPoRtEnt.")

For Batman, I'd prefer something closer to the lenses on Daredevil's mask. Not red, of course, but you know what I mean.

 

[ENCK]

no

no

just...no...It makes perfect sense not to. Just as it makes sense to do so.

 

[ENCK]

After seeing Deadpool And Wolverine...

Spoiler

I really hope Gunn has the balls to finally give us the white lenses on the cowl. I don't care about the whiners like Bill from Batman On Film who could endlessly complain about it ("tHe EyEs ArE tOo ImPoRtEnt.")

why...why do we need white lenses?