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Beware the Batman

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Loved this episode. It's plot was the most simple and cliched of the lot so far, but it was very well executed played. This is the most visually impressive episode yet and the most emotionally engaging.
 
Great, dark, emotional episode. Series continues to impress
 
Agreed. Generic, but sooooo well done. :up:
This show is growing on me.
Strong 8.0 for this ep.
 
Just started watching episode 6, "Toxic". So far looks like the even numbered episodes are better than the odd numbered episodes. Gotham City is more populated as well in the first 8 minutes I've seen as well. More thoughts later.

this episode is very similar to the Justice League episode "Metamorphosis" just without the John Stewart factor.
 
this episode is very similar to the Justice League episode "Metamorphosis" just without the John Stewart factor.

Yep there's a lot of similarities.

Overall it was very enjoyable. No Katana this week, but we got Ravencroft instead.
 
Best episode so far. It felt a lot like an old BTAS episode, introducing a side character in a tragic way that will come back later.

I do like how they're setting up an Outsiders team and overall theme.
 
I get the feeling that Ravencroft is either Lady Shiva or working with Anarky.
 
She had the A key that stands for A.R.G.U.S, I would say she's a government tool interested with Wayne Inc someway. Maybe ARGUS believes that Bruce Wayne funds Batman?

Anyhow, great, great episode. Adam Baldwin is a badass, Metamorpho's animation and look was just great, i hope we see more of him soon.

PS. No new episode next week, right?
 
This was a great episode and introduction to Metamorpho .like a lot of people said it had similarities to the JL episode except no relationship to John Stewart. I can't wait for Metamorpho to return though. Counting Katana, that's two down. Maybe Black Lightning will appear too.

As for Ravencroft , I wonder how A.R.G.U.S will be portrayed here.
 
I'm not really feeling the way these villains are being portrayed. I thought by using the C- and D-listers they might try something unique, they way Timm and co. came up with great new backstories for Freeze and other characters.

Instead everything feels second rate. Metamorpho is a second-rate Clayface. Magpie was a second-rate Catwoman. Anarky was a second-rate Joker. Nothing is introduced to set these characters apart or to justify their appearance on the show. Meh.
 
Interesting that the women is called Ravencroft given the Spider-Man connection. Wasn't a big fan of this episode though.
 
This is flat-out wrong.

What did they thematically contribute that the a-listers I mentioned wouldn't have offered in their place? What "set them apart" so to speak? Its fascinating that nothing interesting was done with Metamorpho's relation to the elements, or his every changing / adapting powers. Instead we get a generic version of his romantic subplot / origin from the comics. In the end, Metamorpho was just another monster of the week sort of character. There was nothing there to justify his appearance.
 
Well, Clayface isn't an a-lister... I'd say he's a b-lister. But my point still stands.
 
What did they thematically contribute that the a-listers I mentioned wouldn't have offered in their place? What "set them apart" so to speak? Its fascinating that nothing interesting was done with Metamorpho's relation to the elements, or his every changing / adapting powers. Instead we get a generic version of his romantic subplot / origin from the comics. In the end, Metamorpho was just another monster of the week sort of character. There was nothing there to justify his appearance.

Magpie is pretty much the first time we've had a character with a genuine case of split personality within Batman's rogues. I mean, there was Harvey Dent and his "Big Bad Harv" persona in B:TAS, but that was quickly ignored in the show and was never brought into the comics. Magpie serves as a warning to Batman to what could happen if he lost his ability to control his Bruce Wayne and Batman personas. He even relates to her what it's like to lose that battle. Not to mention Magpie has a completely different motivation than Catwoman's. She's obsessed with regaining her memories and finding out who she is, while Selina is out for profit and fun initially. Magpie only compulsively steals because of her mental illness. Catwoman is sane and has a complicated, mutual relationship with Batman. Magpie is deranged, and despite her desire for a similar dynamic with him, it doesn't happen. Batman treats her as a common criminal, and when he finds out about her past, he just flat-out pities her. Margaret and Selina are far too apart to fulfill the same role in a story.

Anarky, while not my favorite, is again not too similar to the Joker beyond wanting Batman as an archnemesis. A consistent motivation of the Joker is to bring Gotham, and specially Batman, to the brink of madness. Even the Christopher Nolan version of Joker, which this show's Anarky is often compared to, has the same goal. Anarky cares more about creating chaos in order to compete with Batman. He tries too hard to be Batman's anti-thesis, and the hero calls him out on that and shows him a lack of respect or even concern, something that he would never really do with the Joker.

As for Metamorpho, keep in mind that his incident is recent and is just getting used to his powers. It took him near the end of the episode just to speak coherently! Even then, he does display some of what he can do: he's turned his skin to metal, rock, and plastic; can change between liquid, solid, and gas;
he can change the temperature of his body, and can even make creative use of his body composition, like absorbing the electricity from Batman's tasers to redirect it as a stream of lighting from his mouth or using a chemical composition to propel himself to the top of the building. Clayface can't do any of these.

Lets not forget the fact that Metamorpho in this show is meant to be a recurring character. He has plenty of time to do new things with his powers and take part in new stories.
 
This was my favorite episode thus far. I liked that they should Batman having to change is voice to sound like Bruce. I'm always a sucker for scenes like that.

I liked that the streets seemed a bit more populated than we've seen thus far.

I hope we're seeing the start of the playboy Bruce Wayne act.
 
It's so pointless to complain about the villains and consistently compare this to BTAS, they're two different shows and Beware the Batman is more interested in using their 26 episodes to tell a massive story arc, not random adaptations and short stories like Bruce Timm, Alan Burnett and Paul Dini did.
 
Maybe weirdly enough I thought the episode was quite empty. Mostly due to the the presence of Metamorpho. Cliche and boring, I think the character sucks. Hard.
Absolutely everything else was cool, from Bruce when, to alfred, to the batmobile, everything was cool. But the plot and the presence of Metamorpho just made it so boring. I can't understand the insistance of bringing him into the shows.
Even if, I admit, I'm a huge fan of the outsiders from the 80es. Metamorpho excepted.

This serie was going to suck, or so I thought, I was not a hater but I jumped to conclusions from the poor advertising I saw last year. This show, the mood, the tone, it's so different, so original, so cool. I admit I jumped to conclusions too quickly, but the first picture they released of the show was also such a bad one! Alfred with a shotgun, teen katana, and batman, all 3 against professor Pyg.... Ugly. Too bad they did not display... I don't know, batman in front of the beautiful cold blue sky of this new Gotham. I was wrong anyway, I love this show. I really love it. In all the excellent small details of it.
 
The Caped Knight: YES!!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one to have seen this! This episode was almost point for point what they did in Justice League. A few changes to be sure like Mason was a guard and Sapphire didn't love him in the end but everything else was the same. I was looking forward to Metamorpho because of the Justice League episode, this kind of ruined it for me.
 
I thought Toxic was a good episode. I felt for Mason and Metamorpho was really cool. I don't know anything about the character so everything they showed us was neat.

I really like that this show focuses on Batman being a detective. I personally like that aspect of him rather than just being another superhero that causes mass destruction. I loved the development with Katana and Alfred. For a second I thought Alfred was going to show her the Bat cave but it turned out to be the research room instead.
 
Absolutely loved the Metamorpho ep as well as his design. The show continues to impress.
 
I'm not really feeling the way these villains are being portrayed. I thought by using the C- and D-listers they might try something unique, they way Timm and co. came up with great new backstories for Freeze and other characters.

Instead everything feels second rate. Metamorpho is a second-rate Clayface. Magpie was a second-rate Catwoman. Anarky was a second-rate Joker. Nothing is introduced to set these characters apart or to justify their appearance on the show. Meh.


I noticed that too. He even suffers from too much changing will kill him syndrome.
 
It's so pointless to complain about the villains and consistently compare this to BTAS, they're two different shows and Beware the Batman is more interested in using their 26 episodes to tell a massive story arc, not random adaptations and short stories like Bruce Timm, Alan Burnett and Paul Dini did.

Criticism /= complaining. And comparisons are an important part of criticism... this show doesn't exist in a vacuum. Obviously they are two different shows, there's no need to insult anyone's intelligence by pointing that out.

This show has made a concerted and intentional effort to focus on c- and d-lister villains rather than a-listers. Is that a random choice? No. It has a purpose. And I'm critiquing the execution, saying that so far it hasn't lived up to the challenge. I'm judging the show on the basis of its own aims and criteria. The comparison with BTAS was to show that, believe it or not, BTAS was BETTER at making d-lister villains more mainstream. If anything, it was an anachronistic comparison / judgment of BTAS on Beware the Batman's goals and premises, not vis versa.
 
Also, has anyone noticed that, aside from Magpie, all the villains ESCAPE at the end of each episode? So far Batman doesn't have a great track record as a superhero. :funny:
 
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