The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Mr. Earle]

As a fellow hyper and Batman fan (in your case, Begins fan), I encourage you to see it again. If you absolutely loved Begins, I think you owe it to yourself to see TDK again. I've said this to a couple guys I knew who were expecting some stuff, and came out feeling meh, and then after viewing it the second time, they totally loved it. Personally, I couldn't even grasp it all after the first viewing, and had a somewhat blank feeling after watching it, but the second viewing completely changed that. Obviously, in my case, it had to do with a combo of expecting so much with not knowing exactly what to expect with super hyped anticipation.

Just some friendly thoughts.

That was exactly my feelings too. The people I saw it with were like, "OMG it was so amazing!" and I was just Like, stupefied. I only started to grasp it after a few days of letting it stew in my head and then seeing it again.

Me too! I left the theatre feeling disappointed and empty and maybe a bit sad. The fact that Gotham felt so sterile didnt help at all. The second time i loved it though and couldnt take my mind off it for days! Though i gotta admit, i still prefer Begins' Gotham.

 

[gwynplaine]

Why is Batman not moving for like 5 minutes while pinned down to the ground by the Joker in their final scene ? It felt unnatural like he was giving time to the Joker for his speech. No big deal for an otherwise almost perfect movie.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Why is Batman not moving for like 5 minutes while pinned down to the ground by the Joker in their final scene ? It felt unnatural like he was giving time to the Joker for his speech. No big deal for an otherwise almost perfect movie.

I think the Joker had something pressed down on Batman's neck, pinning him there.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Good point gwynplaine. But that bit of scaffolding is heavy, i should know i carry them about all day sometimes. Plus Joker was on top of him pushing all his weight down which is proberbly about 180 pounds. That is alot of weight to try and basically bench press.

 

[gwynplaine]

I think the Joker had something pressed down on Batman's neck, pinning him there.

Yeah, you're probably right. People could also say that Batman was catching his breath or something, and it's good cause it makes him appear more human than the other more invincible superheroes, but to me it felt a bit artificial and made Batman look a little weak. But like I said before, it's no big deal.

 

[gwynplaine]

Good point gwynplaine. But that bit of scaffolding is heavy, i should know i carry them about all day sometimes. Plus Joker was on top of him pushing all his weight down which is proberbly about 180 pounds. That is alot of weight to try and basically bench press.

Good point and cool avvy.t:

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Thanks My man JaD hooked me up

 

[Anita18]

Yeah, you're probably right. People could also say that Batman was catching his breath or something, and it's good cause it makes him appear more human than the other more invincible superheroes, but to me it felt a bit artificial and made Batman look a little weak. But like I said before, it's no big deal.

You see the Joker kick aside a support and a piece of metal scaffolding falls down on Batman's neck. You can see him trying to keep it from crushing his neck throughout the whole scene, especially in the close-up of the gauntlets before he ejects the blades at Joker's face. Only when Joker is distracted, is he able to lift it off.

It isn't a big deal at all because they show you how Batman got pinned down.

 

[Harrygucha]

In some scenes Batman just looked plain dorkey to me. I guess it was the lighting. The scenes where Batman looked Badass were: In the beginning when he breaks up the fake batmen raid. Standing in the open vault with Gordon. Standing on top of the Sears tower. Walking into the room saying "Check the names.". Holding Maroni...and in the club kicking ass. In these scenes the lighting is phenomenal. But for some reason at the end of the movie the lighting got worse, and Batman came off more as a dude in a suit.

The scenes i hated Batman in were: When he stands in front of the monitors talking to Lucius Fox. The whole sonar-building scene. The scene where he tells Gordon he'll take the fall for Dent. Those scenes just made Batman look dorkey - I don't know if it was the lighting, the directing or what. But Batman looked bad in those scenes.

 

[Anita18]

In some scenes Batman just looked plain dorkey to me. I guess it was the lighting. The scenes where Batman looked Badass were: In the beginning when he breaks up the fake batmen raid. Standing in the open vault with Gordon. Standing on top of the Sears tower. Walking into the room saying "Check the names.". Holding Maroni...and in the club kicking ass. In these scenes the lighting is phenomenal. But for some reason at the end of the movie the lighting got worse, and Batman came off more as a dude in a suit.

The scenes i hated Batman in were: When he stands in front of the monitors talking to Lucius Fox. The whole sonar-building scene. The scene where he tells Gordon he'll take the fall for Dent. Those scenes just made Batman look dorkey - I don't know if it was the lighting, the directing or what. But Batman looked bad in those scenes.

And the lighting at Wayne Enterprises R&D and the burnt warehouse was less badass than in the penthouse or the interrogation scenes where he was fully lit?

Batman will always be a man in a batsuit (the film itself says so), but his demeanor makes it impossible for him to be just a regular guy.

 

[Harrygucha]

And the lighting at Wayne Enterprises R&D and the burnt warehouse was less badass than in the penthouse or the interrogation scenes where he was fully lit?

Batman will always be a man in a batsuit (the film itself says so), but his demeanor makes it impossible for him to be just a regular guy.

I loved the burnt warehouse, penthouse, too! Those scenes were cool. I just think toeards the end, Nolan might have gotten lazy with the lighting and just ended up making batman look less intimidating.

 

[Harrygucha]

Why couldn't they have toned down Two-Face just a little. Kind of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBAH9_3Idk&feature=related

 

[Bat-Mite]

Why couldn't they have toned down Two-Face just a little. Kind of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBAH9_3Idk&feature=related

Aside from being even more blatantly CGI than what was in the film, that's not too different from what we got. Why would you want a Two-Face that looks like he came from the mid 90's when the CGI wasn't up to par with what we have today? I'll take what we got in TDK, thankyouverymuch. And for someone who complains about Two-Face's unrealistic appearance in TDK (it was unrealistic, I'll admit, but that's why I liked it), you have an odd suggestion for an alternative. Why would you suggest a more cartoony version if you want Two-Face to be more realistic?

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Though i gotta admit, i still prefer Begins' Gotham.

It's the same Gotham.

 

[JaD]

It's the same Gotham.

Technically, yes. Visually/Aesthetically, not really.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Technically, yes. Visually/Aesthetically, not really.

It's not like the differences between B89 and Returns.

It's recognizably the same city. Some of even the same locations are used and seen.

Only difference is things that make sense story wise. Nolan in TDK book conceeds to having an even more contemporary look, with clean lines, etc.

Thematically this represent Batman has done a powerful job of cleaning up the city.

The difference isn't that big, though.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, you're probably right. People could also say that Batman was catching his breath or something, and it's good cause it makes him appear more human than the other more invincible superheroes, but to me it felt a bit artificial and made Batman look a little weak. But like I said before, it's no big deal.

Yeah, and add that to the fact that he had just been ravaged by dogs, had the crap beat out of him with a crowbar, and just prior to being pinned by the Joker, taken a direct baseball bat windup shot to the head.

So he was probably a little out of it

 

[JaD]

It's not like the differences between B89 and Returns.

It's recognizably the same city. Some of even the same locations are used and seen.

Only difference is things that make sense story wise. Nolan in TDK book conceeds to having an even more contemporary look, with clean lines, etc.

Thematically this represent Batman has done a powerful job of cleaning up the city.

The difference isn't that big, though.

Well then the difference is clearly noticeable in a sense. I mean, compared to the end of Begins with all the criminals broken out of prison and the nightmare-ish city, Gotham is crisp-clean. Alot of it may have to do with alot of it being seen in *clears throat* "broad daylight"

But yeah, I think he meant that he wishes Gotham could've been a little messier like the last film, and a falafel guy would've been great too

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

But why?

The point is by the start of the film that Batman HAS Gotham's criminal on the ropes for the FINAL knock out blow.

He's forced rival factions to band together.

The criminals are desperate and ...

*takes fork and stabs steak*

"Hire the clown, he was right ..."

I also thought the clean look was very welcome. It honestly was the first visually different take on a Batman film beyond the status quo, it's a dirty city literally and figuratively.

 

[metalhead_dave]

This thread is a disappointment.

That's probably not an original statement though.

 

[JaD]

But why?

The point is by the start of the film that Batman HAS Gotham's criminal on the ropes for the FINAL knock out blow.

He's forced rival factions to band together.

The criminals are desperate and ...

*takes fork and stabs steak*

"Hire the clown, he was right ..."

I also thought the clean look was very welcome. It honestly was the first visually different take on a Batman film beyond the status quo, it's a dirty city literally and figuratively.

Hey I don't know, I just know what he's getting at. But I totally hear you with what you were saying with having the mob "for the final knock out blow" A great point to support the idea of a cleaner looking city. But maybe on a first viewing perhaps, when you see TDK's Gotham City compared to BB's, doesn't it look like two different cities? I think some fans simply prefer the grittier looking city, and maybe that's just the issue here.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You know what, I'm just going to say they were rubber bullets, notice there was no blood or dead bodies. And how often do we say we're going to kill someone and actually mean it?

I suppose they were also rubber bombs that blew up the factory. And even if by some wild stretch he didn't mean it when he said he was going to kill the Joker, HE DID ACTUALLY KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Hey I don't know, I just know what he's getting at. But I totally hear you with what you were saying with having the mob "for the final knock out blow" A great point to support the idea of a cleaner looking city. But maybe on a first viewing perhaps, when you see TDK's Gotham City compared to BB's, doesn't it look like two different cities? I think some fans simply prefer the grittier looking city, and maybe that's just the issue here.

No, to me it really didn't look like two different cities. It was recognizably the same city, just this film was taking place in different parts.

Not the gritty Narrows.

Alot of it took place in the day, in public officials offices, in clean looking buildings.

But during night time scenes, or when they went onto "Lower 5th" aka "Lower Whacker" the film still keeps a linear feel to Batman Begins.

This film has scenes that took in unique places we haven't seen Batman before.

In concrete, clean parking garages. In brightly lite interrogation rooms.

But then we have scene where he does interact in BEGINS-ish dirty / dark areas.

The alley with Dent. The alley where he breaks Maroni's ankle. The warehouse where Dent is at. "Lower 5th" ...

 

[The Navigator]

I suppose they were also rubber bombs that blew up the factory. And even if by some wild stretch he didn't mean it when he said he was going to kill the Joker, HE DID ACTUALLY KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, 'cuz he was still laughing at the end--he was just stunned, see?
And he quite clearly blew up a model, not people. Pfft.

 

[Mr. Earle]

In some scenes Batman just looked plain dorkey to me. I guess it was the lighting. The scenes where Batman looked Badass were: In the beginning when he breaks up the fake batmen raid. Standing in the open vault with Gordon. Standing on top of the Sears tower. Walking into the room saying "Check the names.". Holding Maroni...and in the club kicking ass. In these scenes the lighting is phenomenal. But for some reason at the end of the movie the lighting got worse, and Batman came off more as a dude in a suit.

The scenes i hated Batman in were: When he stands in front of the monitors talking to Lucius Fox. The whole sonar-building scene. The scene where he tells Gordon he'll take the fall for Dent. Those scenes just made Batman look dorkey - I don't know if it was the lighting, the directing or what. But Batman looked bad in those scenes.

I personally liked the suit throughout all the film, bar one scene: the interrogation one. When he sits down and says "then why do you want to kill me" onwards, his bat-ears are off screen and the head really looks like a light bulb. His mouth looks dorky as well.