The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Cmill216]

Personally, I wish they had written around the whole cellphone/sonar angle. It was the only thing that screamed comic book outrageousness to me, and I bet they could have found a better plot device.

As great as this film is, it's not perfect. And this is probably the only major reason why.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Eddie made my point for me.

Ra's was the main villain in the big scheme of things in Begins, but for the majority of the film, who was the biggest physical threat to Batman, Dawes, and Gotham? Crane.

Actually I have to agree here. Crane was nothing in this film. In Begins he had a solid role, his genius actually allowed Ra's to hit Gotham with a formidable weapon. But it was nice seeing him nonetheless.

 

[magus]

I personally don't want him to be dead, but at the same time, I just don't know if there's anywhere else this Two-Face needs to go.

The only thing I was able to come up with was a The Long Halloween or Dark Victory style knock off of the mob guys that get out of jail.I think it could work but would really need to think it out.

 

[The Joker]

What needs explanation?

I already said Ra's was the mastermind of the plans. But that doesn't somehow make Crane a non-threat.

Who said he was a non threat? I said he was not the biggest threat. Not even close. Falcone would be second with his grasp on Gotham.

Who did Batman fight for the majority of the film?

What does that have to do with anything? And he never fought Scarecrow. He got sprayed once with his fear gas. Second time they met Batman gassed him and Scarecrow was captured.

Ra's only shows up at the very beginning and the very end.

And this makes him less of a threat how?

 

[Mr. Socko]

1. Crane. They were able to secure Cillian Murphy for the sequel yet only placed him in one scene. A Joker-Scarecrow team up would have been fantastic, as would Joker under fear gas before killing Crane.

2. Joker. We'll never get to see Heath's Joker in another film

 

[AIRWOLF]

Crane was a physical threat?

So, if I get my criminal organization to arrange the destruction of a city, and hire you to make the toxin, you'd be a bigger threat than me?

That makes no sense. Explain that logic to me, please.

But that's his point. Ra's perhaps saw Crane as the only man who could probably weaponize his toxin within Gotham city. So if his plan was to hit Gotham with a bio-weapon, Crane was the one to do it, so he did play substantial role in Ra's plan.

 

[thejon93]

Some people were disappointed with Two-Face's death, but I thought that it was absolutely nessisary. Although he had about the same amount of screentime as Venom from 'Spider-Man 3', doesn't mean they failed to get him right. With the fact that Two-Face is only out for vengence, I don't think it'd make sense to keep him alive as he never truly wished to be the villain. Anyhow, thought I'd just give my feedback on that. Also, I really don't have a "big" disappointment with 'The Dark Knight', it had minor flaws, but I didn't notice them or care for them while watching the film. I guess my biggest complaint is that Batman falls off of too many buildings.

 

[Drizzle]

My only disappointment is that they will never be able to top this with a third one. Not with Heath gone.

 

[DarkKnight245]

Two-Face's death that was all.

 

[Spiderine]

I would have liked to see more of Scarecrow but they obviously just brought him back to bring some kind of closure. But, I expected a little more when they announced Murphy was reprising the role.

 

[Drizzle]

Some people were disappointed with Two-Face's death, but I thought that it was absolutely nessisary. Although he had about the same amount of screentime as Venom from 'Spider-Man 3', doesn't mean they failed to get him right.

Two-Face had WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more screentime than Venom did. Two-Face was a threat for the last forty five minutes of the movie, whereas Venom was given less than ten minutes.

 

[CrimsonDeath]

I think part of the problem was that I was expecting the film to follow the tone and style of Begins much moreso, and hopefully a second viewing will remedy this, though I still imagine I'm going to wish that Nolan had allowed certain shots, scenes and moments to linger and give the film the quiet moments it lacked.

That would be my problem with the film as well, and that there were no quiet moments of realizations and contrasts. Like in Begins, you saw the moment when Bruce realized he needed to leave Gotham, the moment when he renounced guns, the moment he longed for his legacy instead of revenge (when he said he would rebuild the mansion brick by brick and flashes back to hearing his father's heartbeat, powerful symbolism there).

On first viewing, there were no moments like that and I was expecting some with Harvey's turning into Two Face. I'm not sure they played that duality of chance vs free will enough to break his sanity, but I can see it a bit from what I remember.

 

[Spiderine]

Some people were disappointed with Two-Face's death, but I thought that it was absolutely nessisary. Although he had about the same amount of screentime as Venom from 'Spider-Man 3', doesn't mean they failed to get him right. With the fact that Two-Face is only out for vengence, I don't think it'd make sense to keep him alive as he never truly wished to be the villain. Anyhow, thought I'd just give my feedback on that. Also, I really don't have a "big" disappointment with 'The Dark Knight', it had minor flaws, but I didn't notice them or care for them while watching the film. I guess my biggest complaint is that Batman falls off of too many buildings.

I agree, I think Two Face's death is necessary for this particular story.

 

[nickyg641]

I'm hesitant to say out loud (or type) my disappointments for the film. I feel like it would just solidify them, and I think I probably wouldn't have them if I see it a second time, and give it a chance to all sink in. I was a bit dazed, having just seen the movie I had been waiting for for three years.

But, here goes:

I felt like the Joker should have been more in the forefront, because, after about half the movie, he seems to become more of a sub-plot to the Bruce-Harvey-Rachel thing. Also, I think the it focused too much on other characters, and there should have been more of Bruce and Joker's relationship.

And, for some reason, I got the impression that the party crashing scene was much longer than it ended up being, and it was a bit of disappointment, as they had basically shown it all in clips and trailers.

I also fet a bit too much happened in the beginning, as it gives the third act less impact. It was one traumatic event after another.

And, finally, I think the film really needs a sequel. Nolan, you've got to come back. The way they left it, it felt like there was so much more story to tell. And the Joker. He needs to return. After what he said to Batman, about how this will just go on forever, that can't be their final conflict.​

 

[The Joker]

But that's his point. Ra's perhaps saw Crane as the only man who could probably weaponize his toxin within Gotham city.

I doubt that. Considering Crane is a doctor of psychology and not chemistry, he'd hardly be the kind of doctor Ra's would go looking for initially.

I think it was just handier to have a doctor who was in Gotham do it. It's not as if the chemicals couldn't be produced outside of Gotham and then brought in and dumped secretly into the water.

So if his plan was to hit Gotham with a bio-weapon, Crane was the one to do it, so he did play substantial role in Ra's plan.

I never denied he had an important role in Ra's' scheme. But he was just a pawn like Batman said. And pawns are not the greatest threat on a chess board

 

[nimrodson]

Disappointments:

1. Bale's voice: sometimes it is better than BB and sometimes it is overly forced and takes you out of the movie I bit. I would have preferred a voice closer to the T4 trailer.

2. I felt Two-Face could have had more to do. I loved his look and the story behind the coin and the Joker dialogue with him but I don't think he got enough time.

3. Beating up dogs: Just a little weird

4. Music: Occasionally it would drown out the audio. See Gordon's speech at the end. I loved the soundtrack but sometimes it was a little overplayed.

Overall I loved the movie and still consider it the best comic book movie I have ever seen and one of the best movies in general.

Totally agree with you about the music. Dialogue was hush hush and explosions were over the top loud. I thought it was just a problem with my theater, although I am pretty much deaf anyways...

 

[Spiderine]

Two-Face had WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more screentime than Venom did. Two-Face was a threat for the last forty five minutes of the movie, whereas Venom was given less than ten minutes.

And his character was far more interesting than Brock ever was in SM3.

 

[lordofthenerds]

1.Scarecrow's insignificant role, though as others have mentioned it could've been worse. He could have just been thrown out completely.

2. Two Face's death. Yeah, it fit this movie well, but I'm still hoping for a return of Two Face in the next one.

And that's about it for me. This movie really was fantastic.

 

[Spiderine]

I doubt that. Considering Crane is a doctor of psychology and not chemistry, he'd hardly be the kind of doctor Ra's would go looking for initially.



I never denied he had an important role in Ra's' scheme. But he was just a pawn like Batman said. And pawns are not the greatest threat on a chess board

Crane was decieved and used in BB. He was a pawn plain and simple.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Totally agree with you about the music. Dialogue was hush hush and explosions were over the top loud. I thought it was just a problem with my theater, although I am pretty much deaf anyways...

The music only overpowers the dialogue when it is suppose to.

 

[Cmill216]

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Ock, I love ya, but I don't understand this debate, at all. You've taken what I said and read a bit too much into, man. Honestly.

Falcone was aced a little over halfway through the film. Who kidnapped Rachel, the damsel in distress? Scarecrow. Who was the main threat through the 2nd act of the film? Scarecrow.

That's it. That was my point. A guy who was a central focal point in the last film is made into a mockery in this film, illustrating his decline on the threat scale.

 

[thejon93]

Two-Face had WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more screentime than Venom did. Two-Face was a threat for the last forty five minutes of the movie, whereas Venom was given less than ten minutes.

45 minutes?!... It was that long?... I swear to God, the whole movie shot by so fast for me, I didn't even notice this.

 

[OctaviusINC]

I thought the editing was a little confusing sometimes and I wish Bruce would've mentioned his parents at least once. There's not even a picture of them anywhere. But other then that it was great. The pencil trick was better then all of Iron Man.

 

[AIRWOLF]

I doubt that. Considering Crane is a doctor of psychology and not chemistry, he'd hardly be the kind of doctor Ra's would go looking for initially.

I think it was just handier to have a doctor who was in Gotham do it. It's not as if the chemicals couldn't be produced outside of Gotham and then brought in and dumped secretly into the water.



I never denied he had an important role in Ra's' scheme. But he was just a pawn like Batman said. And pawns are not the greatest threat on a chess board

Yeah, that part kind of confused me. Well no one says you can't have more than one specializations . Yes he was a pawn, but you have to agree, it just wasn't so satisfying to see him go like a common criminal.

 

[I-T-B]

My only real disappointment was that they changed the look of Wayne Enterprises, I prefer the BB version.

Okay, I'm not sure I'm right here, but was the Wayne Enterprises exterior seen at all in the film? I know we saw the interior, but I thought that the darkly colored, extremely window-y building that said "WAYNE" was the penthouse building. Could be totally wrong, though. If that WAS Wayne Tower, then I share that disappointment with you.

Uhhh ok, sorry officer. Didnt know I cant post my opinions. Sorry, how can you ever forgive me

Come on. If you're going to go with the badass, attention craving, sarcastic rebel routine, at least try and inject a LITTLE wit into your "clever comebacks."

Anyway, I was pretty disappointed by the fact that Batman killed dogs. I love dogs. Even mean dogs.

And there was no monorail or narrows, two of my favorite visual aspects of Begins.

Aside from Two Face being dead (though I'm almost certain that he's only dead if the Batman franchise takes a break at TDK), there were really no other major disappointments for me.