The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Jorriss]

My biggest disapointment is the whole movie in a way... while i was watching it i was like : why does he...?.... how come he does not...?.... when did he ?..where are the ....?
Why don't you just tell twoface it's the joker that tricked you in to save harvey instead of rachel ??????????? (if batman or gordon actually explains it, i totally missed it then)

It's not about who they tried to save. He's mad at Gordon because Gordon continually worked with corrupt police despite his warnings. If he would of listened to Dent, at least in Dents pov, Rachelle would not have been captured.

 

[Nepenthes]

My biggest disapointment is the whole movie in a way... while i was watching it i was like : why does he...?.... how come he does not...?.... when did he ?..where are the ....?
Why don't you just tell twoface it's the joker that tricked you in to save harvey instead of rachel ??????????? (if batman or gordon actually explains it, i totally missed it then

"The Joker's just a mad dog. I want the people who set him off his leash."

He knows the Joker is responsible but because he repeatedly warned Gordon about Ramirez and Wuertz and corrupt officers in his squad he blames Gordon as well. He did flip the coin on Joker but we have to assume he got the lucky side because he didn't kill him.

what are the other questions?

I agree the Joker seemed to set up his plans rather easily. He had people in the hospital, Commissioners office, ferries, he knew of police plans like the funeral march and convoy route for Dent in incredible detail,

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Because the Joker's appearance in this film is supposed to look clumsy. That's why the make-up always looks messy right down to the crooked smile. That's it.

if you read the concept art part about the joker (its on a thread somewhere) it states that the green hue to jokers hair is caused by multiple bleaching. i dont know about anyone else but i've seen people with badly bleached hair(i am from essex!!) that has a sorta greeny hue to it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

"The Joker's just a mad dog. I want the people who set him off his leash."

He knows the Joker is responsible but because he repeatedly warned Gordon about Ramirez and Wuertz and corrupt officers in his squad he blames Gordon as well. He did flip the coin on Joker but we have to assume he got the lucky side because he didn't kill him.

what are the other questions?

I agree the Joker seemed to set up his plans rather easily. He had people in the hospital, Commissioners office, ferries, he knew of police plans like the funeral march and convoy route for Dent in incredible detail,

thats exactly why the joker could never be real. all of his "plans" are only possible in a corrupted city like Gotham. Due to him hijacking the mob he has access to everyone the mob had in their pocket, cops, journalists, politicians and probly all civil servants. There is some corrupt cities out there, but nothing like Gotham.

 

[Nepenthes]

I guess. but still it didn't feel right in the movie, they could have addressed it just a tiny little bit more because i know it took alot of others out as well. it made him seem too cartoony, being able to do whatever he wants without us seeing the work that goes into it. they could have addressed it AFTER one of the scenes so as not to spoil the surprise of it of course

if you read the concept art part about the joker (its on a thread somewhere) it states that the green hue to jokers hair is caused by multiple bleaching. i dont know about anyone else but i've seen people with badly bleached hair(i am from essex!!) that has a sorta greeny hue to it.

that's a different shade of green though. it usually happens when you put bleached hair in chlorinated water. I don't see why if Jokers wearing make-up we can't just assume he dyed his hair as well

 

[Sentinel X]

There was nothing that really disappointed me with the film but I do wish they added blood. I know it was done to preven an R rating but especially when Joker was being brutally beaten up by Batman...I'd at least expect a bloody nose...he got his head slammed on the table and crushed through a hard glass window ...that bit bothered me a bit.

 

[Ziggyman]

The Joker made his first appearance, off screen, at the end of Batman Begins when then-Lieutenant Gordon tells Batman about a robbery the Joker committed. The Dark Knight takes place six months (as confirmed by interviews) after Batman Begins. The Joker has committed several crimes during that time. He is known to the police, to Batman, and to the mob. None of them think he is anybody to be worried about or taken seriously.

Then he begins his reign of terror, and seems suddenly able to do some rather difficult things (break into places, set bombs, etc). The obvious answer is that he had been spending the last six months carefully planning out everything so that he would be ready. For example, the Joker blows up a hospital. Most likely, he had set the explosives in place long before. This is a trait very typical of the comic book Joker -- he's able to prepare a crime for a long time and yet carry it out before anyone realizes what he's up to. He then "predicts" a crime that has already been committed.

...IMDb...FAQ section

 

[I Am The Knight]

Joker prep time?

 

[X Lobo]

"The Joker's just a mad dog. I want the people who set him off his leash."

He knows the Joker is responsible but because he repeatedly warned Gordon about Ramirez and Wuertz and corrupt officers in his squad he blames Gordon as well. He did flip the coin on Joker but we have to assume he got the lucky side because he didn't kill him.

what are the other questions?

I agree the Joker seemed to set up his plans rather easily. He had people in the hospital, Commissioners office, ferries, he knew of police plans like the funeral march and convoy route for Dent in incredible detail,

Right ! , i forgot that part , makes sense ! anyway like you said it he must have corrupted ppl everywhere and countless goons to work with... this is good old joker, fact is seing him at the beginning with a very small band... and ppl criticising about him during the bank robbery like he was some crazy 'new' guy in town and the fact he deliberately burns his share of money, telling he has no plans, can lead one to wonder how he gets the logistic done for his crimes.... it's not a big issue anyway, just not very coherent when opposed to the rather realistic tone of the movie, characters treatment and graphics.

I really have to watch it again

Oh big disapointment : No building facade exploded in burning bat shape, i really was looking forward to that !!!!

 

[nolan's roll'n]

The Joker ***** dialogue from the comics.

 

[DarthVeach]

My big disappointment - Heath wasn't around to see how awesome it turned out.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

My big disappointment - Heath wasn't around to see how awesome it turned out.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea man its harsh that he died RIP

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

Biggest disappointment probably was it ending. Man some people complained about the runtime but **** I was ready to sit through another 2 hours of awesomeness.

 

[gwynplaine]

Possibly having to wait another 20 years to see the Joker onscreen again. But I shouldn't complain too much because to me TDK already pulled off the ultimate Joker/Batman movie so far imo. I just can't get enough of the Joker.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

Possibly having to wait another 20 years to see the Joker onscreen again. But I shouldn't complain too much because to me TDK already pulled off the ultimate Joker/Batman movie so far imo. I just can't get enough of the Joker.

Amen.

 

[scatterax]

Possibly having to wait another 20 years to see the Joker onscreen again. But I shouldn't complain too much because to me TDK already pulled off the ultimate Joker/Batman movie so far imo. I just can't get enough of the Joker.

well if u count the dvd, u only have to wait a few months!!!t:

and theres nothing really stopping you from seeing it in the theaters again

 

[Bat-Mite]

I guess. but still it didn't feel right in the movie, they could have addressed it just a tiny little bit more because i know it took alot of others out as well. it made him seem too cartoony, being able to do whatever he wants without us seeing the work that goes into it. they could have addressed it AFTER one of the scenes so as not to spoil the surprise of it of course

They were merely depicting the Joker as an almost supernatural entity. Considering that the comics have done the same thing for decades (i.e., his uncanny ability to constantly cheat death), I had no problem with the way he was handled.

 

[Nepenthes]

Yeah I see that, and it's a cool idea, except that it kind of undermines the realistic angle that the movie also depends on. It doesn't fit so much into TDK as it does in the comics. It's a trade-off, I just though it could be a little more balanced but yeah I agree with you generally.

 

[Goodfellas]

There was nothing that really disappointed me with the film but I do wish they added blood. I know it was done to preven an R rating but especially when Joker was being brutally beaten up by Batman...I'd at least expect a bloody nose...he got his head slammed on the table and crushed through a hard glass window ...that bit bothered me a bit.

i agree completey i really wanted to see joker beaten to a pulp ..... i really liked how in burtons batman the batman really beat the joker up pretty bad

and while batman did beat him pretty bad in the intergaton room and even cut him pretty bad with those things he shot out from his arm.... we never saw him bleed i realy wish we saw the joker with at leats a bloody nose or something

 

[Banquet]

if you read the concept art part about the joker (its on a thread somewhere) it states that the green hue to jokers hair is caused by multiple bleaching. i dont know about anyone else but i've seen people with badly bleached hair(i am from essex!!) that has a sorta greeny hue to it.

I was confused when I read that in the book. I didn't know whether she meant that he supposedly bleached his hair in the film, or if she just thought it looked like a bad bleach job.

I guess. but still it didn't feel right in the movie, they could have addressed it just a tiny little bit more because i know it took alot of others out as well. it made him seem too cartoony, being able to do whatever he wants without us seeing the work that goes into it. they could have addressed it AFTER one of the scenes so as not to spoil the surprise of it of course

There was enough of a sense of how he got men to do his bidding, I thought. First he had thugs who were promised money, then after that he convinced Maroni and all his contacts to be at his disposal (who extorted and manipulated people like Ramirez, and I'm sure folks at the hospital and where ever else as well), and then he took the Chechen out and inherited his men (and his dogs).

The guy with the cell phone in his stomach said that the boss was going to make the voices go away, which showed how he influenced the crazies into doing what he wanted. I'm assuming a lot of them were directionless after the Scarecrow was apprehended. So all the stunts he pulled were feasible with as much as we saw in my opinion, as far as manpower goes.

 

[Batman jr.]

It isn't directed by Michael Bay












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[LegendaryCaleb]

Oh big disapointment : No building facade exploded in burning bat shape, i really was looking forward to that !!!!

you expected that to be in the movie?
when would that be needed for other than a cool poster? lol
i guess joker could do it to get batmans attention but i kinda knew it wouldnt be anything other than an awesome poster

 

[Abadleon]

My biggest disapointment is the whole movie in a way... while i was watching it i was like : why does he...?.... how come he does not...?.... when did he ?..where are the ....?
Why don't you just tell twoface it's the joker that tricked you in to save harvey instead of rachel ??????????? (if batman or gordon actually explains it, i totally missed it then)

Well, i will go watch it again cos i would hate this movie to be another disapointment regarding the obvious efforts that were put in it's making, and the fact i love bale and nolan, plus the joker is twisted like never ! i want to like this movie but things like the plot with the ferrys seems 'not crazy enough' to me. When the joker exits the hospital and is walking kinda silly then messes with the detonator, this i like very much, while i can't help wondering when and how he could have 'prepared' this firework !

This is a discussion I had in other forum (I am FERABADISTHEBEST), it is incredibly long, sorry:

-First scene. Joker leaves the bank with a school bus, like if it was a mastermind plan. Well, why the other bus drivers let him an space to leave, instead of stopping, thinking about why the **** is one of their buses leaving a bank? And no, they aren't Joker's goons, you can clearly hear the voices of the kids. The police arrives just when Joker is leaving, why don't they go after him? People in the streets or in the bank would tell them he had just left the bank with a school bus, and I doubt that it is very hard for the police to find a line of buses with a guy driving one of them that looks like a clown and has millions of dollars. With all the cars and helicopters that the police has they should easily find the bus, that I doubt is the fastest thing to drive in a big city with a lot of traffic like Gotham. Nothing of that is explained and the scene is just ridiculous because of that IMO. Its like if the cops thought: "One of the most dangerous criminals has just left the bank with a school bus hidden among other school buses? Genius! There is no way we can get him now!
-Party scene: Bruce knows The Joker is coming after Dent. He catches Dent to take him to a safe place, but to his love, he just says to her: "Wait here." WTF??? Why doesn't he take her to the safe place too? That is the way Joker meets Rachel and finishes killing her. If Bruce had hidden Rachel too, Joker wouldn't have met her and wouldn't have tried to kill her throwing her by the window. The Joker wouldn't have escaped and wouldn't have killed her later because he wouldn't know who she is. And when she is dead, doesn't Bruce think about it? Because I would, and I'm not a genius like him...
And when Batman appears in the party, where does he come from? Because he appears in front of Joker from nowhere. I know he is a ninja, but the penthouse is really big and has a lot of light, Joker and Rachel are almost in the center of the room. and none of Joker's goons sees him coming? WTF? On the first Burton's Batman, on a similar scene, Batman appeared from a glass in the roof, and something similar happened in Batman Forever on The Riddler's party. Couldn't Nolan have done something like that?
And what about Batman's and Rachel's fall from the building? Couldn't Nolan have made something better to explain how they don't die? Because it doesn't matter how hard his suit is, they should be completely crushed. And I don't see Batman's cape opened to stop the fall enough to make them survive. And when they are on the car, Batman just stays there, instead of going after The Joker!!! Joker could perfectly think they both were dead, he hasn't super-vision to see if they are still alive, and could be killing everybody in the party, but Batman doesn't give a **** because he has saved his lady...
-Why The Joker doesn't kill the cops when he steals their uniforms to kill the mayor?
-How the **** Batman knows Dent has kidnapped one of Joker's goons and where they are? And how Batman knows who is that guy?
-Why the **** the police left only one cop with the most dangerous criminal of the city in a room? Why didn't they take him to the cage where he was before with all the cops watching every move he made? There is not to be a genius to think about it.
-Hospital scene;
Joker:"I am not a man of plans"
Two-Face:"Ok man".
How the **** can anybody believe The Joker is not a man of plans when he has been all the movie showing us his plans?
-How is possible that Maroni or his driver don't see Two-Face is on their car? And why the driver doesn't stop the car to help his boss?
-The whole freighters scene is just ridiculous. "There is a freighter full of criminals who have a detonator to kill us all, what do we do? Should we kill them first? Let's vote!!!"
There should have been a huge riot on the criminals freighter, not just what we see on the movie, until finally the big guy throws the detonator by the window, it would have been more credible.
And Batman says to Joker: "The citizens of Gotham are better than you". But if the most of them voted "Yes" to kill the others!!! Hahahahahaha!!!
And how the **** nobody on the freighters saw the gasoline/explosives before leaving the city? Are they blind? Don't they give a **** about security when they have been menaced by The Joker? Do they look for explosives everywhere (bridges,etc...) but not in the freighters? And how the **** Joker gets to put explosives everywhere he wants (hospitals, freighters, etc)?
All in that scene is really lame.
-Batman can magically appear in front of The Joker from nowhere in a place full of people, with a lot of light, but he can't do the same on the dark last scene with Two-Face to save Gordon's son... Couldn't he have appeared from behind by surprise to stop him without killing him using one of his gadgets? If I was Batman, I could easily think about a hundred ways to stop Harvey and save the kid that would be more intelligent than what we see in the movie.
-How the **** does Gordon know what Two-Face has done? Who tells him and when? The dead guys told him? The corrupt cop? Who? All the police was busy going after The Joker, they had no idea about where Harvey was, and suddenly, Gordon knows everything. How?.
And Batman and Gordon decide that Batman will be blamed for Harvey's crimes, I still don't know why, because they could easily have blamed The Joker or one of his goons, and suddenly, in the same scene, the cops go after Batman even before Gordon says a word about it. Why the **** do they go after him if nobody has still said that Batman was who killed the people that Harvey killed?
I'm sure there are another thousand WTF moments I'm forgetting right now, but those are a few of the things which have pissed me off about a movie that I hoped to be perfect. I wouldn't give a **** about those kind of things on a movie like Daredevil, for example, but in this...

I wouldn't say that it's poorly written at all. But if you don't fully accept the central conceit(s) then you'll inevitably take issue with many of the decisions made in constructing the plot.

I said some parts, not the whole thing. I think that the things I said in my looooong post are very logical and I can't understand how the Nolan brothers didn't realize. They probably did, but they thought people wouldn't, thinking we are stupid. The things I said go against the believability of the film, it's not something you can accept or not.

-First scene. Joker leaves the bank with a school bus, like if it was a mastermind plan. Well, why the other bus drivers let him an space to leave, instead of stopping, thinking about why the **** is one of their buses leaving a bank? And no, they aren't Joker's goons, you can clearly hear the voices of the kids.

Good point, then again: it's Gotham. The atmosphere Nolan sets up here is one reminiscent of good ol' westerns where a town is the new Sodom or Gomorra and everyone is corrupt. The Joker can get away with anything, because anyone can get away with anything. Despite Batman's efforts, there's still an air of desperate chaos in the city.
At least, that's how I would interpret that.

The police arrives just when Joker is leaving, why don't they go after him? People in the streets or in the bank would tell them he had just left the bank with a school bus, and I doubt that it is very hard for the police to find a line of buses with a guy driving one of them that looks like a clown and has millions of dollars. With all the cars and helicopters that the police has they should easily find the bus, that I doubt is the fastest thing to drive in a big city with a lot of traffic like Gotham. Nothing of that is explained and the scene is just ridiculous because of that IMO. Its like if the cops thought: "One of the most dangerous criminals has just left the bank with a school bus hidden among other school buses? Genius! There is no way we can get him now!

They just don't show any of that, because it's not particularly relevant to the story: the movie needs to set up the Joker, his modus operandi and establish early on that he's bat **** insane, and quite ruthless.
Also, don't forget the number of cops on the take. They may think it was one of the mobsters.

The first scene wants to tell us how bad The Joker is and how he is a mastermind, but the way he escapes is just ridiculous. If I tried to escape from a bank with an school bus hidden among another school buses (with people who knows nothing about my plan and probably would just stop to call the police, ruining my plan) in a city like NY with the police arriving to the bank at the same time I am leaving, the police would go after me and would reach me in minutes and I would finish in prison. That is just a ridiculous escape "mastermind" plan.

Party scene: Bruce knows The Joker is coming after Dent. He catches Dent to take him to a safe place, but to his love, he just says to her: "Wait here." WTF??? Why doesn't he take her to the safe place too? That is the way Joker meets Rachel and finishes killing her. If Bruce had hidden Rachel too, Joker wouldn't have met her and wouldn't have tried to kill her throwing her by the window. The Joker wouldn't have escaped and wouldn't have killed her later because he wouldn't know who she is.

At the party scene (which is the fund raiser), they figure out he's after Dent because of the finger prints on the Joker card they found (that's how they also know about the judge and the commissioner). Bruce locks Dent in a cupboard, but he can't lock all his guests away, so Rachel is exposed. Actually, the Joker only turns his attention to her because she steps up - he had no interest in her whatsoever, and Bruce wasn't to know she would take action and bring herself to his attention.
And anyway, he would have known who she was anyway: Dent and Rachel are quite openly a couple. Even without the provocation at the fundraiser, she would still have been interesting enough for the Joker to use her in his attempts to break Dent's spirit.

I don't say he should have hidden all the people in the party, I just say that if I was Bruce and the most dangerous criminal in town is coming, I would take Dent and I would say to the woman I love "Come with me to a safe place" instead of "Stay here". There is not to be a genius, I think... And if Rachel was hidden with Dent, Joker wouldn't have used her to escape almost killing her, is possible that Batman would have caught The Joker for the police, Joker wouldn't have known Rachel was so important for Batman and things could have been different or at least make some sense.

And what about Batman's and Rachel's fall from the building? Couldn't Nolan have made something better to explain how they don't die? Because it doesn't matter how hard his suit is, they should be completely crushed. And I don't see Batman's cape opened to stop the fall enough to make them survive. And when they are on the car, Batman just stays there, instead of going after The Joker!!! Joker could perfectly think they both were dead, he hasn't super-vision to see if they are still alive, and could be killing everybody in the party, but Batman doesn't give a **** because he has saved his lady...:

Or maybe he's just in a lot of pain?

Then Nolan could have made that a little more obvious because I don't see him suffering very much. Anyway, The Joker could be making a carnage with his guests in the party, Nolan could have shown how Batman tries to do something to go back for The Joker, even if he suffers a lot of pain, I think.

Why The Joker doesn't kill the cops when he steals their uniforms to kill the mayor?

Why should he? To cover up his crime? It shows he's overly confident that no one will find him. He may even have had other plans with them, which Bruce prevents by finding them first.

That is what you guess, because the movie doesn't show anything about The Joker having other plans for the cops. And Joker had already killed a lot of people without a reason, why would he leave them alive with the risk of that they could be found and his plan was ruined? That is just stupid.

Why the **** the police left only one cop with the most dangerous criminal of the city in a room? Why didn't they take him to the cage where he was before with all the cops watching every move he made? There is not to be a genius to think about it.

The big mistake there is the fact that this guy falls for those very low-brow tricks. I agree, that was a stupid scene.

Yep.

-Hospital scene;
Joker:"I am not a man of plans"
Two-Face:"Ok man".
How the **** can anybody believe The Joker is not a man of plans when he has been all the movie showing us his plans?

Because we've seen things that Harvey Dent has not. Dent buys into the Joker's story about anarchy and all that, because he hears what he wants to hear. He's a destroyed man, and the Joker offers him something to reconstruct himself with. It's important in establishing Two-Face, that he goes from a multi-layered Dent to a fairly one-dimensional type of villain in that moment: the world is reduced to simplicity. His acceptance of everything the Joker says fits into that concept.

Ok, I don't have a very big problem with that particular scene, however, I think it could have been better explained how Dent becomes Two-Face (Not physically, personally).

How does Two-Face know where the "bad cops" are? Shouldn't they be hiding from (the rest of) the police after Harvey says they are who kidnapped Rachel and him?

The first one had no clue what happened yet, and Ramirez didn't know what was happening either. As to how he knew where they were... favourite haunts, at home, on duty... Couldn't have been too hart to find two people who weren't hiding.

I'll accept that.

The whole freighters scene is just ridiculous. "There is a freighter full of criminals who have a detonator to kill us all, what do we do? Should we kill them first? Let's vote!!!"
There should have been a huge riot on the criminals freighter, not just what we see on the movie, until finally the big guy throws the detonator by the window, it would have been more credible.

I liked that actually. It was mushy and predictable - and I secretely hoped the 'good' people would decide to blow up the other boat anyway, and it'd be their own boat... But all in all, that scene explictely states something of the various moral and philosophical layers of the film.

Sorry, but that scene is very bad made. It's just ridiculous.

And how the **** nobody on the freighters saw the gasoline/explosives before leaving the city? Are they blind? Don't they give a **** about security when they have been menaced by The Joker? Do they look for explosives everywhere (bridges,etc...) but not in the freighters?

He didn't threaten the freighters, and everyone's in a blind panic to leave so... that does make a great deal of sense. Human beings aren't very rational when there's mass hysteria breaking out.

"Joker said nothing about the freighters so we shouldn't worry about if there are explosives on them."
Come on...
And the explosives weren't even hidden....

And how the **** Joker gets to put explosives everywhere he wants (hospitals, freighters, etc)?

Ties in with the concept of Batman Begins and the first scene: everyone's on the take. Everyone can be bought or scared into doing something, because everyone's attached to people and thinks. The Joker sees himself as omnipotent, because he's liberated from these attachments

Places like hospitals use to have security, for example...And is not easy to take so many explosives to places like hospitals or freighters without anybody could see you.

How could I accept all those things? I don't know how to turn off my brain.

I almost think that the problem with this film was the editing job. Given the length of the film I could conceive of a situation where they had a lot more that they wanted to show but absolutely couldn't afford to and had to cut a lot of material to get the film down to a size where it would be accepted by theatres.

However, too many of the scenes that did make the cut were gimmicky attempts at shock value or just downright hard to believe. It was a fun film, but it's not the masterpiece that many are making it out to be.

Oh well, I'm not completely mad.
And I repeat that there are a lot of things on this movie that I like, but there are others that I find really annoying because it could have been perfect.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

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