The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

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Hah, I thought I was the only one who noticed that as well. :oldrazz:
I noticed a few other things, but Mags and I were going to save it for later with a thread (and caps from the movie) :hehe:
 
Hah, I thought I was the only one who noticed that as well. :oldrazz:

please, i love you because your just as anal as i am

did it bother you that Joker said "Gotham" twice in one sentence on the Fake Batman tape?

"this is how crazy batmans made Gotham, you want order in Gotham.....blah blah blah
 
But you know when the Bandaid-Cop-With-Rolled-Up-Dignam-Sleeves first came out as a hostage, Joker was sticking it in his right pretty hard, and the left too. His whole freaking neck should be bandaged. Just like you should have had a neck brace Mags, those weeks back. Instead of an invisible one. :oldrazz:
 
During the interrogation scene I would have modified the dialogue to where the Joker hints at 'taking the best person in this city and turning him/her into a savage...when the chips are down, civilized people become animals and won't hesitate to take lives themselves.' Not the entire city, just ONE particular person.
Except that he didn't know what was going to befall Harvey during the interrogation scene. While the Joker does do some things in this movie that border on the supernatural, he's not a psychic. He didn't even know for sure whether it was going to be Rachel or Harvey that lived or died. Funny how your idea for turning the movie into a 'masterpiece' starts out with what is apparently a plothole. :o
Right after the hospital scene, Dent dissappears - This is the end of Harvey Dent's character - WE DON'T SEE HIM EVER AGAIN!
As much as I would have liked for Harvey's character to have lived, this would have turned a complete movie (what we got) into an incomplete one. Hardly an improvement, IMO, and I think this would have made the movie less likely to receive an academy award.
The Joker makes an announcement on T.V. saying he has Harvey Dent, and a bunch of hostages at an undisclosed location. He wants Batman to confront him ONLY. "If cops show up, I kill the hostages and DENT." He knows Batman is smart enough to find him.

Batman and Alfred, in the bat bunker work together, and do some actual DETECTIVE work to find the Joker's location. (NO CHEESIE TACHNOLOGY) AKA BAT SONAR...
Even though I think the sonar scenes could have been executed better, they still showed the detective side of Batman, even if it wasn't the kind of detective work you'd prefer. Using technology to do detective work is still detective work, and it's the kind of detective work Batman does in the comics pretty often, no less. You don't have to use the primitive technology Sherlock Holmes had to be a true detective. There's no telling how long it took Batman to design that computer, so that already shows he was thinking ahead and is a credit to his intelligence, IMO, especially since he was apparently building that thing on his own after having figured out how Fox's cell phone worked.
Batman enters the building...makes his way to the middle three floors - IT'S A LONG WAY UP. The hostages see Batman and start trying to say something...but it's not audible due to the gags. Batman suddenly hears whimpering and crying coming from a room - a WOMAN or a CHILD'S VOICE crying out - "Help! - Please Help us!" Batman kicks the door open - There is nothing in the room except for a RECORDING/PLAYING DEVICE playing an audio tape - "HELP! - PLEASE HELP US!" There is a message on paper taped to the device that reads: 'GOTCHA!' There is a digital countdown clock above the device: 5 SECONDS...4 SECONDS... Batman looks to the hostages - 3 SECONDS... 2 ... - Batman has no time - he crashes through the office window and out of the building ...falling - his wings go rigid, CATCHING THE WIND - BOOM!! The windows of the middle THREE floors EXPLODE OUTWARDS, FLAMES SHOOTING OUT. The impact of the explosion throws BATMAN downward - He lands hard on the opposite building, SHAKEN. He looks up at the DERELICT BUILDING...The middle of the building is completely destroyed...BURNING. IN FLAMES.... IN THE SHAPE OF THE BAT SYMBOL. Batman looks up at the BURNING SYMBOL - The Joker has set him up.
You complained about the movie having a generic action movie ending and then you come up with this to try to improve it? Really? :oldrazz: I wouldn't have minded seeing the building explode like what we saw on the poster, but I wouldn't have wanted them to go about showing it this way.
ENGEL: Due to a miscommunication during the evacuation of Gotham General, there is still no word on the whereabouts of Harvey Dent. The Joker's threat... - this just coming in - Let's go live (aerial footage of the DERELICT BUILDING) The Bat symbol BURNING. Engel reports that the hostages are dead, nothing is quite clear ,etc. Looks as if Batman has left his mark on the building - ETC.
Okay.. so everyone knows there's a terrorist on the loose in Gotham, one that's obsessed with Batman. You've got his televised humiliation of the fake Batman before he murdered him, followed by the demand that Batman turn himself in. Oh, and trying to get people to kill Reese when Reese was about to spill the beans on Batman's identity. They know this guy is out there and the kind of stuff he's doing... and despite the fact that Batman hasn't committed any terrorist activities himself (though he has done a little bit of property damage here and there), you're saying that they're going to assume Batman blew up the building and "left his mark" there!?
There is a knock at Gordon's door. Gordon looks out the window: squad cars are outside. Gordon's wife goes to answer the door, keeping the chain on . At the door: a Police officer. The Police officer kicks the door in, knocking Gordon's wife to the ground. The Police officer steps into the light....The Joker disguised as a cop...
Although seeing the Joker as a cop again wouldn't have ruined the movie for me, it would have cheapened his first appearance as a cop. We saw very brief glances of him that lasted.. what.. probably two seconds at the most? It was terrifying, and the brevity is part of what made it so effective. The more you show of something, the less horrendous it becomes. This is why the movie Alien is more effective at being scary than its sequal, because even though I think the latter film is the superior film, it showed much more of the aliens and took away a good deal of the creatures' mystery.
The Joker then continues to make his point, shooting Gordon's wife in front of him...the kids hide. The Joker takes Gordon with him.
And Gordon does nothing about this? It worked with Two-Face because he'd clobbered Gordon, disarmed him, and had a gun to his boy's head so that he was helpless. What's the excuse here? With all the chaos going on, Gordon wouldn't have his gun on him?
The Joker takes Gordon to a location, gives him the opportunity of KILLING HIM, Gordon almost breaks, But Batman is there in time to whisper in the ear of Gordon. Gordon,sobbing, doesn't kill the joker. The Joker is disappointed. Batman kicks his ass in a final scene.
So we go from the homages to TKJ to basically copying it, only that instead of Gordon's daughter getting shot and paralyzed, his wife gets shot and killed. Again, not an improvement, IMO. I'm thankful that the Nolans decided to actually give us something original in this movie.
Because of the building incident, DETECTIVE BULLOCK gives orders to take Batman into custody... Gordon knows Batman is innocent...Batman flees ....' A Dark Knight'.....the END.
And thus, a powerful, emotional ending is turned into a nonsensical one. Batman takes the blame for the Joker's crimes... why? At least with Harvey, he had a reason, so that the people of Gotham wouldn't lose their faith in their white knight. And again, I don't buy that the people of Gotham would believe Batman was guilty of the building incident in the first place. That really insults the intelligence of the people of Gotham, and I've seen no reason to think that Gothamites in general are that stupid and gullible.
This would have been PERFECT.
Not in my diagnosis. :o
NO CGI. NO BATPOD FLIP,
There was very little CGI in this movie to begin with, especially when compared with its peers. And I'd take every bit of CGI in it and the batpod flip over the alternative presented here.
and this film would have been VYING FOR BEST PICTURE ...
lol.
TOO BAD NOBODY HAD THE SENSE TO GO AGAINST THE NORM AND HAVE An intimate ENDING. OH, WELL!
I saw an intimate ending in TDK. What I didn't see was an ending where everyone went, "There was a bat symbol burned into the building, therefore Batman must be responsible, despite the fact that we know there's a terrorist obsessed with him running around out there." :oldrazz:
 
please, i love you because your just as anal as i am

did it bother you that Joker said "Gotham" twice in one sentence on the Fake Batman tape?

"this is how crazy batmans made Gotham, you want order in Gotham.....blah blah blah
Not really. It was the same thing with "The only way to live in this world is without rules. And tonight, you're going to break your one rule..."

I think in both instances, he's mocking them so the same words in succession isn't quite so jarring.
 
Biggest Disappointments:

-Bales Batman voice, his delivery and exaggerated lip movement detracts from some scenes. (all his conversations with the joker really suffer)
-the batsuit....I can understand if Nolan didnt go out of his way to show the dramatic poses seen in Batman Begins but beyond that it just seems like the helmet/cowl completely clashes with the segmented look of the suit
-I only get to watch it for the 1st time only once
-No Joker/Scarecrow interaction
-not enough Two-face
-leaves you wanting more
 
Biggest Disappointments:

-Bales Batman voice, his delivery and exaggerated lip movement detracts from some scenes. (all his conversations with the joker really suffer)
-the batsuit....I can understand if Nolan didnt go out of his way to show the dramatic poses seen in Batman Begins but beyond that it just seems like the helmet/cowl completely clashes with the segmented look of the suit
-I only get to watch it for the 1st time only once
-No Joker/Scarecrow interaction
-not enough Two-face
-leaves you wanting more

Totally agree with that.
My biggest dissapointment is that after July 18th I no longer was able to anticipate this movie. I will never have that excitement back. No other movie will rival how excited I was for this movie. No more anticipation. Sad.
 
1. Lau scene dragging on.
2. Joker not laughing or atleast smiling enough.
3. Joker being a bit too stereotypical serial killer in some scenes
4. Two-face dying.
5. Scarecrow going out a bit too soon (I would be fine with just another minute frankly)
6. Joker's plan was way too contrived and carried out.
7. Batman's voice, errgh.
8. Batman killing Two-Face.
9. Lack of Gotham atmosphere.

So yeah, a few complaints that drag the movie down a it for me, challenge them if you want but atleast admit the movie wasn't perfect. Still, it was a brilliant film and it is in my top twenty, just wish some certain things could be a bit better.
 
Two Face=Badass
I don't agree with the criticism about Jokers plan being to contrived. Joker is known for his elaborate and ridiculous schemes, infact I think that is one of the main definitions of his character.
 
I love Jokers little giggle in the semi-truck as they drove past the burning chopper. It was well funny.
 
Let me respond to some of you guys.

First of all, Bales voice: They admitted to have tampered with it to make it more deep, but all they did is give him throat cancer. Especially when he is saying: "what where you trying to prove, that deep down everyone's exactly as you?" Yeah....throat cancer right there! So maybe they could work on that a bit more and give us a better voice in the DVD and the sequel of course.

Secondly, about the Lau scene: Seriously you guys, the Hong Kong part was very refreshing and well done. It was a breath of fresh air away from that brooding Gotham, while Lau's abduction itself was awesome to say the least!

9. Lack of Gotham atmosphere.
Agreed. I hope Nolan watches the Watchmen (:grin:) and realises that atmosphere isnt a bad thing when done right. I dont want him to do a jerk reaction and give us the exact opposite of his realism, but some BB aura would be nice to see in the sequel again. We never got to see batman in a classic gritty Gotham neighbourhood (like the Narrows in BB) or jump from dirty rooftop to another.

8. Batman killing Two-Face.
Well it served as a way for batman to take the fall and all (that wouldnt be possible if dent was alive) and justify the title "dark knight", so i accepted that. I however couldnt accept the controversial way in which he died. And dont get me started about the dead ninjas in BB. Your one rule Bruce?

So down to a complaint of my own, the freaking batpod u-turn. I mean....how ******ed was that? I saw everyone in the theatre go "jeez" when it happened. It spoiled the goosebumps we acquired when it ejected from the tumbler!
 
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That Hong Kong scene was ridiculas. You spend all this time trying to make Batman's world, our world. That the same rules aplly, yadda, yadda, yadda. Then you have Batman fly to hong Kong, kidnap somebody in front of a dozen police officers, drop him off at police HQ, either drugged or badly beating. Even a lawyer in their first trial could get him off on those grrounds.

But what do you expect from a movie that spends the first half hour setting up a stituation that implies that all of Gothams Criminals are terrified of Batman so much that they won't even commit crimes at night, then the first time Batman goes looking for information, the guy just laughs at him.
 
Maroni laughs at him because the Joker is now on the scene, he even says it himself " We're wise to your act, you have rules. The Joker? He's got no rules" So compared to Joker Batman is nothing to them.

And Mr Earle did it occur to you that when Batman is speaking to Joker at the end his voice would sound gruffer because he has just fought his way through countless goons and SWAT, been attacked by dogs, beat with a crow-bar and stabbed by Joker. He is clearly out of breathe and in pain in that moment so his voice will be strained and gruffer.
 
LOL well technically he wasn't even in Gotham. It was filmed at the Ministry of Sound in London.
 
Well it served as a way for batman to take the fall and all (that wouldnt be possible if dent was alive) and justify the title "dark knight", so i accepted that. I however couldnt accept the controversial way in which he died. And dont get me started about the dead ninjas in BB. Your one rule Bruce?
Funny. The only person I recall seeing die in that scene is the fake Ra's. Considering the amount of training these guys have had, do you really think they've never been in a tight situation where they've had to get the hell out of Dodge at a moment's notice?
So down to a complaint of my own, the freaking batpod u-turn. I mean....how ******ed was that? I saw everyone in the theatre go "jeez" when it happened. It spoiled the goosebumps we acquired when it ejected from the tumbler!
Because it's so believable that everyone in your theater said, "jeeze" simultaneously. In my theater, some people clapped at that scene and some people laughed. Whether they were laughing because they were just amused or thought it was "ridiculous" is beyond me, but I'm not going to pretend to know one way another under the assumption that all 500 people in the theater were in total agreement with me. :o
But what do you expect from a movie that spends the first half hour setting up a stituation that implies that all of Gothams Criminals are terrified of Batman so much that they won't even commit crimes at night, then the first time Batman goes looking for information, the guy just laughs at him.
He was also being a smartass to Two-Face even when the guy had a loaded gun in his hand. And called the Joker a "nobody" even after he'd stolen over 60 million from him and his pals. That says more about Maroni's nature than it does about Batman's supposed inability to intimidate.
 
Because it's so believable that everyone in your theater said, "jeeze" simultaneously. In my theater, some people clapped at that scene and some people laughed.
why so literal? Of course it wasnt the whole theatre! But the general conscientious on that one was that it looked ******ed.
 
That Hong Kong scene was ridiculas. You spend all this time trying to make Batman's world, our world. That the same rules aplly, yadda, yadda, yadda. Then you have Batman fly to hong Kong, kidnap somebody in front of a dozen police officers, drop him off at police HQ, either drugged or badly beating. Even a lawyer in their first trial could get him off on those grrounds.
i am not following you. elaborate on that please.


But what do you expect from a movie that spends the first half hour setting up a stituation that implies that all of Gothams Criminals are terrified of Batman so much that they won't even commit crimes at night, then the first time Batman goes looking for information, the guy just laughs at him.
1) he is a mob boss. He is supposed to be smarter than the average joe to NOT think that batman is a monster.....although....eh anyway.
2) When batman reaches him in the club i didnt see Maroni laughing. More like scared. He then acted tough on the balcony because he knew that batman wouldnt kill him. But then he got his leg broken!
 
Am I the only guy that didn't think the batpod turning off the wall was stupid and unrealistic? I mean, that thing was all wheels, I didn't esactly expect it to crash when it hit the wall, ya know what I mean?
 
Am I the only guy that didn't think the batpod turning off the wall was stupid and unrealistic? I mean, that thing was all wheels, I didn't esactly expect it to crash when it hit the wall, ya know what I mean?

I thought it was stupid, but not terribly unrealistic. I remember watching that special that was on HBO that talked about the Batpod and it said something about it having a motor for each wheel sitting inside the hub. Moving at the right speed, the front motor could keep the front wheel spinning enough to force it up the wall, but to get the whole 'Pod to turn around on the back wheel like it did would require some phenominal upper body and arm strength. Unless the 'Pod kicked itself off the wall somehow, but I didn't see indication that that was the case.
 
I thought it was stupid, but not terribly unrealistic. I remember watching that special that was on HBO that talked about the Batpod and it said something about it having a motor for each wheel sitting inside the hub. Moving at the right speed, the front motor could keep the front wheel spinning enough to force it up the wall, but to get the whole 'Pod to turn around on the back wheel like it did would require some phenominal upper body and arm strength. Unless the 'Pod kicked itself off the wall somehow, but I didn't see indication that that was the case.

I'm pretty sure batman has enough upper body strengh. I mean, he trains enough. I'm not saying he wouldn't half to try hard, I'm just saying I think he'd be strong enough to do it.
 
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