The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea you can tell it wasn't Jonah's writing there.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, that was the biggest moment in TDK that reminded me of BB. Those cheesy lines. I am so glad TDK toned it down quite a bit.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea most of the lines that could of come across cheesy "You either die a hero........" or "So you think that your client........." came across pretty awesome. Thats mainly due to the actors that spoke them though.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Is that the same guy as "Atleast tell me what it looks like......nevermind" "HE'S FLYING ON ROOFTOPS!" Haha.

I gotta tell you, although it came out as rather cheesy, how would you expect a police officer to react to a tank flying on rooftops? With boredom and yawning?

This is something I found on youtube. Now, this is not exactly what I would have done with the sonar vision, but its pretty close. Basically I wanted the sonar vision to look a little more rigid, a little more real.

Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq9yw3QNdfo

Ignore the thing in the middle. I would want it rigid like this, like a grid map of the building, showing the people inside. And batman can pull the sonar vision into a side bar, so he can view both the sonar and what is actually there.

I didnt like that. Might be more realistic, but i cant bare watching it for more than 5 seconds. TDK's sonar was unrealistic to a point but you have to remember that it is supposed to look awesome and to be able to inform us, the audience of what is going on. And remember, this a batman movie. At the beggining of the film the batmobile did a lot of crazy stuff. So come on, what did you guys want, the sonar from Red October?

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think most people would agree that Begins (and TDK) would have been soooo much better if they'd had Dent in BB instead of Rachel Dawes, like what they originally planned to do.

Really? That was the plan?

Anyway, after all the screentime Dent's had in TDK i wouldnt want to have him in BB. Especially when that film was busy establishing the main characters, Bruce's tragedy, batman's origin, batman's equipment, Ras, Scarecrow, Falcone, etc.

And i prefer Rachel as his friend because he can share his secret with her (she wasnt gonna turn into Two-Face) and because of the love interest. Damn, am i the only one who appreciated her importance to Bruce's journey and her role as his social circle? Dent couldnt have been as involved because he couldnt have known Bruce's secret. I also enjoyed how Rachel disapproved of Bruce letting Dent take the fall. Bruce started carving his own roote and makes the sacrifice of not being a hero. I enjoyed that a lot, and it could only happen with Rachel knowing and disapproving of it.
Then, even batman should have a school sweetheart. I prefer this approach to highly unrealistic and dark route of him being raised all alone in the manour. Even BTAS gave him Beaumont.

PS: Thank god Hush came after BB and Elliot wasnt even considered for the movie. I would have raged so hard!

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The problem with Rachel has always been that they never developed her relationship with Wayne or Dent. We are expected to believe that both men love her to the extent that they are going to turn their backs on their life's work for her or out of vengeance for her.

But we never see why either man loves her. In BB Wayne and Raxhel have about three scenes together and other than the fact that one is a man and the other is a woman and in movies they get together, there is no reason to believe that they have a deep love. In TDK Dent and Rachel are already dating and we are just told that they are deeply in love, we never see it develop.

And because her roles are never developed we don't buy into her importance.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The problem with Rachel has always been that they never developed her relationship with Wayne or Dent. We are expected to believe that both men love her to the extent that they are going to turn their backs on their life's work for her or out of vengeance for her.

But we never see why either man loves her. In BB Wayne and Raxhel have about three scenes together and other than the fact that one is a man and the other is a woman and in movies they get together, there is no reason to believe that they have a deep love. In TDK Dent and Rachel are already dating and we are just told that they are deeply in love, we never see it develop.

And because her roles are never developed we don't buy into her importance.

I agree. Actually in BB it came out of the blue. I never expected a romance but i said "Nolan didnt have time to focus on that" and accepted it. Since his story was awesome, that really was a minor annoyance for me.

 

[aerosmith760]

um the biggest dissapointment for is that either 2-face died or maybe the joker laughs ya that was pathetic.Or maybe bales horrid voive i understand the concept for that voive but i think it should sound more like micheal keeton's voice his was good

 

[BestGirl]

um the biggest dissapointment for is that either 2-face died or maybe the joker laughs ya that was pathetic.Or maybe bales horrid voive i understand the concept for that voive but i think it should sound more like micheal keeton's voice his was good

What?

 

[Bat-Mite]

I think he's trying to say that Joker's laugh sucked?

I couldn't disagree more, really. I found his laugh to be one of the biggest highlights of the first trailer. It got me even more anxious to see TDK. And of course, it was great in the movie itself. I loved when he laughed at the helicopter getting blown up, and the laugh he did when Bats threw him off of the building.

 

[alexdunn]

um the biggest dissapointment for is that either 2-face died or maybe the joker laughs ya that was pathetic.Or maybe bales horrid voive i understand the concept for that voive but i think it should sound more like micheal keeton's voice his was good

I can accept one misspelling of voice, but to make the same mistake twice, in the same run-on sentence?

 

[BestGirl]

I think he's trying to say that Joker's laugh sucked?

That's what I thought too, but it didn't make sense because I think most people can agree the Joker had a spectacular set of laughs.

I couldn't disagree more, really. I found his laugh to be one of the biggest highlights of the first trailer. It got me even more anxious to see TDK. And of course, it was great in the movie itself. I loved when he laughed at the helicopter getting blown up, and the laugh he did when Bats threw him off of the building.

My favorite was when Batman left him hanging for the SWAT team. It was such a nasty, mean-spirited laugh.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

Laughing while falling to what he thought was going to be his death was fantastic. He was laughing fast as if he thought, "I'm about to die I better get as many "haha's" as I can out now."

 

[El Payaso]

That's what I thought too, but it didn't make sense because I think most people can agree the Joker had a spectacular set of laughs.

I can't say there's anything specially wrong with Joker's laughs but it didn't sound/feel like the classic Joker for me where the Ha's filled the screen and rang out like hell. I got that with Nicholson but not with Ledger. Sure, in the trailer it sounded great because I thought that was just a sample, but it was all I got from the laughs. Again, that was far from a dissapointment for me.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

I would have really of liked to see what Joker looked like with the fear toxin.

 

[Two-Face]

EDIT. double post!

 

[Two-Face]

Joker didn't laugh enough??

1. When he enters the crime lords secret meeting lair he laughs says "I thought my jokes were bad"

2. When he throws Rachel out of window at the party.

3. When Joker gets the camera and laughs....

4. When Batman throws Joker then catches him back he laughs and when Batman leaves he laughs.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I liked when the chopper crashed and he was like "HOOOHEHAHAHAHA" and his sorta, excited little giggle in the truck as he went past the flaming wreckage.

 

[Crook]

I can't say there's anything specially wrong with Joker's laughs but it didn't sound/feel like the classic Joker for me where the Ha's filled the screen and rang out like hell. I got that with Nicholson but not with Ledger. Sure, in the trailer it sounded great because I thought that was just a sample, but it was all I got from the laughs. Again, that was far from a dissapointment for me.

Do you mean Ledger's laugh by itself, or how it was presented throughout the movie? If it's the latter, I can see where you're coming from and I felt that way during the first viewing. But if it's the former, I don't know....watch this condensed clip with all his laughs one after the other:



Asides from the first, it's pretty much all vintage Joker. It might be sacrilegious to say, but Ledger's might even be my favorite interpretation of the laugh.

 

[Marx]

I agree, I thought Ledger's Joker laugh was a pretty vintage take.

 

[donk70]

The best laugh was when he was walking into the meeting with the mob bosses. It was the only original one, IMO

 

[Marx]

The best laugh was when he was walking into the meeting with the mob bosses. It was the only original one, IMO

I really liked that one and the interrogation room laugh.

 

[donk70]

I really liked that one and the interrogation room laugh.

But you hit the nail on the head with the laughs. There was alot of Caesar in them and none of the sadistic Jack laughs. I know the mob boss scene laugh was meant to be sarcastic in tone, but it wasn't the high pitched cackle that we got from Caesar and Jack in the past. Too bad the laugh wasn't more original all around.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I liked the laugh when he was getting battered by Batman in the interrogation room. Like he was really enjoying getting his face smashed in, pretty disturbing.

 

[Crook]

But you hit the nail on the head with the laughs. There was alot of Caesar in them and none of the sadistic Jack laughs.

I'd strongly argue his last scene was definitely sadistic. Asides from the mob room, that was the only other laugh that stood out in delivery.

I know the mob boss scene laugh was meant to be sarcastic in tone, but it wasn't the high pitched cackle that we got from Caesar and Jack in the past. Too bad the laugh wasn't more original all around.

I'm not sure I'd even want that, heh. All the Joker laughs so far have had their own unique stamp, but quite clearly are all cut from the same cloth. I would assume this is because how Joker's laugh should sound in the public collective unconsciousness is roughly the same, which is why there are very similar cadences throughout them.