Biggest musical sell-out

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It seems to me that the Goo-Goo Dolls and Sugar Ray would have to be huge on the list of sell-outs.
I was completely blown away to hear their respective "old stuff" was super hard. Then GGDs got their first huge hit with that repulsive ballad that sounds like a sea shanty and Sugar Ray took a dump in my ear-holes with that "Fly" song and after that they kept trying to repeat those "successes".

 

[jaguarr]

oh... well than Madonna should be a choice in the poll... twice.

I don't know that I completely agree with that. Madonna has always been about reinventing herself and exploring new musical territory. She's done it repeatedly throughout her career and seems to do it the moment she starts to really gel into a particular style and succeeds at making that work for her. She's always been into pop music, but she's approached it from a rather artistic perspective rather than one of simply doing something just because it will make money. She's more of a shock-artist than anything else, in my mind, since she's gotten off on pushing people's buttons throughout her career. I'd say she's done exactly what she wanted to do with her career and that's not selling out as far as I'm concerned.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

It seems to me that the Goo-Goo Dolls and Sugar Ray would have to be huge on the list of sell-outs.
I was completely blown away to hear their respective "old stuff" was super hard. Then GGDs got their first huge hit with that repulsive ballad that sounds like a sea shanty and Sugar Ray took a dump in my ear-holes with that "Fly" song and after that they kept trying to repeat those "successes".

Add Smash Mouth to that list, too, please. Thanks.

jag

 

[PLAS]

I don't know that I completely agree with that. Madonna has always been about reinventing herself and exploring new musical territory. She's done it repeatedly throughout her career and seems to do it the moment she starts to really gel into a particular style and succeeds at making that work for her. She's always been into pop music, but she's approached it from a rather artistic perspective rather than one of simply doing something just because it will make money. She's more of a shock-artist than anything else, in my mind, since she's gotten off on pushing people's buttons throughout her career. I'd say she's done exactly what she wanted to do with her career and that's not selling out as far as I'm concerned.

jag

Madonna is one of my all time favorite artists

she has never made a bad album

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Add Smash Mouth to that list, too, please. Thanks.

I'm glad for them though, that they made roughly 20.9 billion dollars with one song that was used on 7 eighths of the previews in the 90's and was featured in 2 or 3 thousand commercials.

 

[xcan28]

some little observations about this thread:

-it took 24 posts before somebody who actually knew what they were talking about actually posted

-before that, absolutly nobody knew what the **** they were talking about

-Jag, Will and Motown Marvel have made the only decent posts here

-to the thread starter: if you don't know what the concept of "sell out" means, please, ask before making a thread about it

Well thank you Mr. Hollywood music exec! Man I'm glad you came on to explain...or not explain your definition (or if you must...concept) of sell-out, but your opinion is valued just for being you

Well let's see...I wrote this as a definition earlier, and seeing that you memorized all 24 postings I'm sure you'd remember it....

Easy Motown...almost But in short the "quality" can't be defined. Integrity can. The essence of who we are...and if someone sells that for $$$..well they have lost that quality.

And I just went to trustry Wikipideia and found this as their definition for sell-out...

Wikipedia - Selling out is a common slang phrase. Broadly speaking, it refers to the compromising of one's integrity in exchange for money or other personal gain. It is commonly associated with attempts to increase mass appeal or acceptability to mainstream society. A person who does this is labelled a sellout.

So I'm left with a tough desicion. Do I accept someone named "PLAS" OR go with this Wikipidedia fellow to decide who is a better judge on the definition of the word sell-out...you've left me with plenty to think about this afternoon, but I will make a desicion for you sweetie

 

[xcan28]

No, it's not. The musical industry is dictated largely by the bigger record companies and their marketing budgets. Kids today are sheep and have learned to like whatever they are told is cool by the marketing hype machine.
jag

The radios / satalietes play whatever the studios give to them, true and youth in general are guppies, but it's a apple / orange debate face off....

If a station is loosing market share based on the programming they adapt and change the programming. Even though I THINK (Mr. Hand..you are my idol) all teenagers are on drugs they actually do have some independant thought and influence..well some do

 

[PLAS]

Well thank you Mr. Hollywood music exec! Man I'm glad you came on to explain...or not explain your definition (or if you must...concept) of sell-out, but your opinion is valued just for being you

Well let's see...I wrote this as a definition earlier, and seeing that you memorized all 24 postings I'm sure you'd remember it....

Easy Motown...almost But in short the "quality" can't be defined. Integrity can. The essence of who we are...and if someone sells that for $$$..well they have lost that quality.

And I just went to trustry Wikipideia and found this as their definition for sell-out...

Wikipedia - Selling out is a common slang phrase. Broadly speaking, it refers to the compromising of one's integrity in exchange for money or other personal gain. It is commonly associated with attempts to increase mass appeal or acceptability to mainstream society. A person who does this is labelled a sellout.

So I'm left with a tough desicion. Do I accept someone named "PLAS" OR go with this Wikipidedia fellow to decide who is a better judge on the definition of the word sell-out...you've left me with plenty to think about this afternoon, but I will make a desicion for you sweetie

aww, come on, now you have the need to bash me just because I pointed out the absurdity of the original intention of this thread?

don't take it personal, and no, I am not a hollywood music executive, I actually know a little bit (just a little bit, not much) about music

 

[PLAS]

The radios / satalietes play whatever the studios give to them, true and youth in general are guppies, but it's a apple / orange debate face off....

If a station is loosing market share based on the programming they adapt and change the programming. Even though I THINK (Mr. Hand..you are my idol) all teenagers are on drugs they actually do have some independant thought and influence..well some do

you just said it, "SOME"

sadly, not all, and an even sadder fact is that the lazy brained mayority are the ones that define what the next trend will be

and they define it, not by starting new trends, but by following the ones set by the establishment

 

[PLAS]

I'm glad for them though, that they made roughly 20.9 billion dollars with one song that was used on 7 eighths of the previews in the 90's and was featured in 2 or 3 thousand commercials.

that's artistic flexibility for you

and how many bands can justify crapy album after crappy album based on the merits of just a couple of songs?

 

[jaguarr]

The radios / satalietes play whatever the studios give to them, true and youth in general are guppies, but it's a apple / orange debate face off....

If a station is loosing market share based on the programming they adapt and change the programming. Even though I THINK (Mr. Hand..you are my idol) all teenagers are on drugs they actually do have some independant thought and influence..well some do

Marketing, marketing, marketing. It's a powerful thing and many people don't even realize they've fallen for it half the time. There's more to it than just advertising, too. They hook up the artists they want to promote with the one's that are already popular for name association, and even get those established artists to pimp the up and coming ones. They run viral marketing campaigns and even resort to "anti-marketing" approaches to make things seem cool. It's all marketing where the big labels are concerned. Most of the newer artists that really make it don't come from the big labels and actually get there on their own merits.

jag

 

[thedeadite]

when it comes to the definition of a band "selling out" i trust the opinions of people who have actually played in bands...more than that of an online dictionary/encyclopedia.

 

[PLAS]

when it comes to the definition of a band "selling out" i trust the opinions of people who have actually played in bands...more than that of an online dictionary/encyclopedia.

we are the worst source there

don't you see it? musicians like me "are bitter" (whatever that means) about the ones that "make it" (whatever that means), hence our opinions and contributions are nill

besides, who would want "real life experiences" over "textbook definitions"?

 

[xcan28]

aww, come on, now you have the need to bash me just because I pointed out the absurdity of the original intention of this thread?

don't take it personal, and no, I am not a hollywood music executive, I actually know a little bit (just a little bit, not much) about music

I'm now waiting for why this is an absurd thread??? Please jaded guitar master...enlighten me!! There's no such thing as a sell-out?? You're the founding member of the Black Eyed Peas W/Fergie fan group??

Have a great day

 

[thedeadite]

this thread has made me....
#1..want to do some work on my solo music project today
#2..listen to overplayed songs that i never want to hear (honestly..i just dled green day's american idiot album for some damn reason

 

[PLAS]

I'm now waiting for why this is an absurd thread??? Please jaded guitar master...enlighten me!! There's no such thing as a sell-out?? You're the founding member of the Black Eyed Peas W/Fergie fan group??

Have a great day

who said I like black eyed peas?

but okay, although my opinion is not really that important

here's the thing, you started this thread by mentioning Black Eyed Peas as the biggest musical sell out you had seen in your life, which pretty much is a moot point because BEP have being an outfit to sell units, there's very little artistic integrity to betray there, so there's no real use in calling them "sell outs", it would be like saying that Christina Aguilera sold out... she was marketed to sell from day one

then you start ranting about all these artists that have or have had higher degrees of success (honestly, who in their right mind compares puff daddy and u2? other than in number of copies sold, there's very little to compare them) and artists you like but appear to feel uncomfortable to see becoming bigger in the mainstream (I remember this stripper who we loved going to see because she was kinda popular for her song selections and overtly artistic dances give a great performance of "I'm Like A Bird" back in 2001/2002... when they only showed her videos late at night) but in the end say you have no problem with pop bands, which is it, then?

then you encourage the general Hype consensus to give their opinions, several really clueless comments follow and several pages after I give my opinion about the thread and you get mad

can't one express their opinions?

 

[PLAS]

this thread has made me....
#1..want to do some work on my solo music project today
#2..listen to overplayed songs that i never want to hear (honestly..i just dled green day's american idiot album for some damn reason

I loved the last song, I don't remember the name

 

[Mr. Walters]

this thread has made me....
#1..want to do some work on my solo music project today
#2..listen to overplayed songs that i never want to hear (honestly..i just dled green day's american idiot album for some damn reason

You know, I never liked Green Day until American Idiot. I think it's a fine album.

 

[The Chairman]

Green Day by far. Weezer comes next.

 

[The Chairman]

You know, I never liked Green Day until American Idiot. I think it's a fine album.

It's actually IMO the most overrated album in history. I don't get why everyone loves it. Dookie was a much more fresh, original and accomplished album.

 

[JLBats]

It's actually IMO the most overrated album in history. I don't get why everyone loves it. Dookie was a much more fresh, original and accomplished album.

Which lead to a generation of vapid prankster music, like Simple Plan, Sum 41 and Blink 182.

 

[The Chairman]

Which lead to a generation of vapid prankster music, like Simple Plan, Sum 41 and Blink 182.

 

[JLBats]

WTF, why are you rolling your eyes, it DID lead to those things

 

[Spider-Bite]

it's hard for me to comment on newer musicians, because I don't like most new music, but I have to say that Metallica sold out pretty bad. they used to be so freaking awesome, but after the black album it started going downhill.

 

[The Chairman]

WTF, why are you rolling your eyes, it DID lead to those things

Yes, but it's not their fault.

Going by that logic, Run D.M.C. by default is the reason rap is such garbage today.