Biggest Oscar Robbery

Also, going for a more obscure choice here, but I really thought Joe Pesci should've won Best Supporting Actor for his role in JFK. That was one role where he was cast grossly against type - in his case, the short tempered Italian tough guy - and instead played a very complex, multi-dimensional character, and he stole the show every scene he had.
 
The Kill Bill movies should have at least been nominated for some technical awards. I think the Academy might have something against Tarantino because he quit the Director's Guild. I'm interested to see if Inglourious Basterds gets any nominations this year.

I would LOVE to see Christoph Waltz get a supporting nod. :up:

And I would also love to see District 9 get some Oscar action (and I'm not just talking visuals), but I won't hold my breath.
 
The Wrestler got robbed twice this year, with Rourke not getting Best Actor and Springsteen not even being nominated for Best Song.



Rourke should have gotten best actor , that was a dissapointment.
 
John Wayne winning best actor for "True Grit" over Dustin Hoffman's amazing performance in "Midnight Cowboy". I swear they just gave it to him because he was dying of cancer.
 
John Wayne winning best actor for "True Grit" over Dustin Hoffman's amazing performance in "Midnight Cowboy". I swear they just gave it to him because he was dying of cancer.

Duke got that award 10 years before he died. :huh:
 
The Wrestler got robbed twice this year, with Rourke not getting Best Actor and Springsteen not even being nominated for Best Song.
The weirdest part about Springsteen not being nominated was that he was one of the people doing the voting.
 
Has anyone mentioned The Golden Sucksass getting best vfx over Transformers?

Gawd...:dry:
 
Who can forget Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan?

Academy, what the hell were you smoking?!
 
..not that Saving Private Ryan is that great
 
They were right.


Shakespeare in Love was an intricate tapestry of story making and writing. The incorporation of Shakespeare's plays was brilliantly executed. Turning the plays into a singular narrative with Romeo and Juliet as the skeleton was sublime. The poetry of the work was beautiful and tragic at the same time.


Saving Private Ryan was interesting up until they got on the beach. After that it was predictable pandering.


I liked Saving Private Ryan but it was not in the same league as Shakespeare in Love. The right movie won.


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Milk over In Bruges (Original screenplay)

Sean Penn over both Bill Murray and Mickey Rourke.

Slumdog over TDK in cinematography

Slumdog over Wall-E in sound Mixing

Morgan Freeman over Thomas Hayden Church

Golden Compass over Transformers

Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn(Requiem for a Dream)

Ron Howard over Lynch and Peter Jackson

Chicago/A Beautiful Mind/The English Patient/Shakespeare In Love/Crash winning best picture...

Looking back it's very,very rare where they pick a deserving winner in the main categories...legacy>>a 13 inch golden man which is used for picking dust.
 
They were right.


Shakespeare in Love was an intricate tapestry of story making and writing. The incorporation of Shakespeare's plays was brilliantly executed. Turning the plays into a singular narrative with Romeo and Juliet as the skeleton was sublime. The poetry of the work was beautiful and tragic at the same time.


Saving Private Ryan was interesting up until they got on the beach. After that it was predictable pandering.


I liked Saving Private Ryan but it was not in the same league as Shakespeare in Love. The right movie won.


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Saving Private Ryan is perhaps the most brutally honest war film that I have ever seen. It's gritty, and it's real with real characters that never feels like a product of Hollywood. It's emotional and moving all at once.

Not that Shakespeare is a bad film, but really when contending in the likes of a costume romance and a WWII Spielberg film, is there need for comparison?
 
Saving Private Ryan is perhaps the most brutally honest war film that I have ever seen. It's gritty, and it's real with real characters that never feels like a product of Hollywood. It's emotional and moving all at once.

Not a product of Hollywood?

The Captain - Brilliant leader with the heart of gold desperately trying to hide his fears from his men.

Sarge - Tough and swarthy. Loyal to a fault to his Captain.

The Medic - Willing to sacrifice all to save his brothers and do no harm. Dies with the words, "Momma" on his lips.

The Tough Guy - Stupid but will kick ass. Loves children.

The Jew - Gotta have a Jew.

The Sniper - Southern Boy who loves Jesus and never misses.

The New Guy - Never seen real combat but intelligent and discovers something about himself through the Captain and his book that he's writing. Sees death for the first time.


Not Hollywood roles?



Not that Shakespeare is a bad film, but really when contending in the likes of a costume romance and a WWII Spielberg film, is there need for comparison?

Not really. Shakespeare in Love is in another League.


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Springsteen not getting a Best Song nomination for The Wrestler. I actually went to another news site to read their list of nominations because I thought the list I read was a mistake. :cmad:

I thought Brandon Walters deserved some more attention at awards time for Australia too. Seriously, the kid had never even been to a movie before getting the part. But I think the Slumdog kids overshadowed all.
 
Springsteen not getting a Best Song nomination for The Wrestler. I actually went to another news site to read their list of nominations because I thought the list I read was a mistake. :cmad:

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I don't know what was worse, Springsteen getting nominated but beat by ****ing Miley Cyrus at the Mtv Awards or not getting anything at the Oscars.
 
Not a product of Hollywood?

The Captain - Brilliant leader with the heart of gold desperately trying to hide his fears from his men.

Sarge - Tough and swarthy. Loyal to a fault to his Captain.

The Medic - Willing to sacrifice all to save his brothers and do no harm. Dies with the words, "Momma" on his lips.

The Tough Guy - Stupid but will kick ass. Loves children.

The Jew - Gotta have a Jew.

The Sniper - Southern Boy who loves Jesus and never misses.

The New Guy - Never seen real combat but intelligent and discovers something about himself through the Captain and his book that he's writing. Sees death for the first time.


Not Hollywood roles?





Not really. Shakespeare in Love is in another League.


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It's a diverse cast of soldiers. All having different views on war and their motives are different and don't even want to save Ryan in the first place. And they actually all serve a good purpose. And you cared for them, you were mixed about them. They were all portrayed as real people. YOu could easily believe these guys were real. And their scenes together feel organic and not made of Hollywood at all. Oh, and pretty much everyone dies in the end. If it was a product of Hollywood, Hanks would of survived, he probably would of seen Ryan return home to his family, and maybe one or two of the squad would of been killed off, but in glorious ways. This had none of that at all.
 
It's a diverse cast of soldiers. All having different views on war and their motives are different and don't even want to save Ryan in the first place. And they actually all serve a good purpose. And you cared for them, you were mixed about them. They were all portrayed as real people. YOu could easily believe these guys were real. And their scenes together feel organic and not made of Hollywood at all. Oh, and pretty much everyone dies in the end. If it was a product of Hollywood, Hanks would of survived, he probably would of seen Ryan return home to his family, and maybe one or two of the squad would of been killed off, but in glorious ways. This had none of that at all.

The first 24 minutes are a high budget remake of the "Longest Day" whose less expensive landing sequence conveyed more tactical believability about the process of securing a beachhead. The next 90 minutes are a mistake-ridden, choppy, and contrived remake of "The Big Red One". Ultimately, this overlong odyssey said less about patrolling behind enemy lines than "Kelly's Heroes"- a counterculture comedy whose serious scenes and character development were superior in almost every way.

Then there is the finale, a total rip-off of Arthur Pohl's "The Bridge" (1949), which focused on a handful of recently conscripted German schoolboys who fight for control of an inconsequential bridge during the last weeks of the war. They were at the bridge because of a series of accidents and they naively stayed there because of their youthful idealism and sense of duty. Like Private Ryan, most do not survive the engagement. What is notable is not that Pohl was able to make a much better film for a fraction of the cost (that is not particularly unusual), but that he was able to convey more perspective four years after the event than Spielberg could manage 50 years later.


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The first 24 minutes are a high budget remake of the "Longest Day" whose less expensive landing sequence conveyed more tactical believability about the process of securing a beachhead. The next 90 minutes are a mistake-ridden, choppy, and contrived remake of "The Big Red One". Ultimately, this overlong odyssey said less about patrolling behind enemy lines than "Kelly's Heroes"- a counterculture comedy whose serious scenes and character development were superior in almost every way.

Then there is the finale, a total rip-off of Arthur Pohl's "The Bridge" (1949), which focused on a handful of recently conscripted German schoolboys who fight for control of an inconsequential bridge during the last weeks of the war. They were at the bridge because of a series of accidents and they naively stayed there because of their youthful idealism and sense of duty. Like Private Ryan, most do not survive the engagement. What is notable is not that Pohl was able to make a much better film for a fraction of the cost (that is not particularly unusual), but that he was able to convey more perspective four years after the event than Spielberg could manage 50 years later.


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Wait, so you're saying everything in Saving Private Ryan is choppy uninspired crap? The first 20 minutes have actual gore violence. Not gratutious or pointless. But war and real violence that is probably the closest thing to anything we have seen of the violence of war. You know, a man finding his arm, to men bursting into flames, to Tom Hanks being splattered with blood while in shell shock, to a man trying to put his insides back in. How is that tactfully done? Please tell me. No one had ever seen anything like that. They weren't preparded for that level of violence. And the great thing about it is, it's the opening of the film, you don't know anything about the characters, but by the end the difference is you know the characters more. It's basically this war movie on a path towards getting to know the characters more. Like in any real life war situation I would presume. It's an emotional journey too. I've seen The Big Red One. It's a good film, but it gets nowhere near the level of emotion Ryan does.
 
Wait, so you're saying everything in Saving Private Ryan is choppy uninspired crap? The first 20 minutes have actual gore violence. Not gratutious or pointless. But war and real violence that is probably the closest thing to anything we have seen of the violence of war. You know, a man finding his arm, to men bursting into flames, to Tom Hanks being splattered with blood while in shell shock, to a man trying to put his insides back in. How is that tactfully done? Please tell me. No one had ever seen anything like that. They weren't preparded for that level of violence. And the great thing about it is, it's the opening of the film, you don't know anything about the characters, but by the end the difference is you know the characters more. It's basically this war movie on a path towards getting to know the characters more. Like in any real life war situation I would presume. It's an emotional journey too. I've seen The Big Red One. It's a good film, but it gets nowhere near the level of emotion Ryan does.

No. I'm saying that the opening scene is in truth one of the more cynically manipulative sequences in recent memory, full of irritating, disorienting jump cuts, pornographically Gibsonesque attention to gory detail, camera tricks and special effects artifices, all accompanied by a deafening soundtrack designed to overwhelm our capacity to think about what is being portrayed on the screen and to push us to simply immerse ourselves in its reductive US vs. Them POV.

And I haven't even touched on the absurdity of the overall plot of the pic. A moral question that is stretched out for three hours. Didn't we cover all this in The Wrath of Khan?

As for the "journey" you keep talking about... well I took that journey with the films mentioned earlier and it was much better.

He should have just waited and made Band of Brothers a trilogy.


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silence of lambs over jfk.
I disagree with this completely. I think JFK is good but Silence of the Lambs was really original, especially for the time period. Now there have been plenty of SOTL rip offs but still.
Not to mention Hannibal Lecter is quite possibly the best movie villain of all time.
 
No. I'm saying that the opening scene is in truth one of the more cynically manipulative sequences in recent memory, full of irritating, disorienting jump cuts, pornographically Gibsonesque attention to gory detail, camera tricks and special effects artifices, all accompanied by a deafening soundtrack designed to overwhelm our capacity to think about what is being portrayed on the screen and to push us to simply immerse ourselves in its reductive US vs. Them POV.

And I haven't even touched on the absurdity of the overall plot of the pic. A moral question that is stretched out for three hours. Didn't we cover all this in The Wrath of Khan?

As for the "journey" you keep talking about... well I took that journey with the films mentioned earlier and it was much better.

He should have just waited and made Band of Brothers a trilogy.


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Cynical? Dude, it's freaking war. And it's D-Day. Wait, so portraying actual real war violence is what you call pornographic? Spielberg pulled the curtain away from us with that violence. It's brutal, intense, and violent, it's what war is. I would say that's disrespectful, since what we see in that scene is the closest thing to war, in fact it's probably more tame compared to what actually happened. I guess you would call that pornographic then? And it's the truth. Haven't you heard? Veterans have praised Spielberg because of its uncompromising violence that shows what really happened in war to a films best abilities.

And the way it was shot was great. It pulls us more into the situation. It doesn't feel clean and squeeky. It feels almost documentarian. That's unique.
 
Well that's my criticism of it. The original point is that Shakespeare in Love deserved it's win and Saving Private Ryan had some problems.

Saving Private Ryan wasn't robbed because it was a flawed piece compared to Shakespeare in Love.


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