Blade Runner 2049 - Part 1

[Consona]

Anyone expecting some fast paced action fest is going to be disappointed.

Again.

Action packed? No.

Take Nolan's The Following as a great example of noir film that's not about action yet has lively, engaging flow.

Arrival was a slow paced movie

Oh, you're right. But haven't seen it yet. But it could indicate pacing of BR 2049.

 

[harlequinade]

So paced like Arrival and Prisoners with Gosling, possibly in his blinking moron mode from Only God Forgives, walking around the screen? And Scott, who is currently destroying Alien franchise is producing?

Gonna lower my expectations here...

 

[OutOfBoose]

Take Nolan's The Following as a great example of noir film that's not about action yet has lively, engaging flow.

BR never had lively engaging flow. Why would you expect it here? Especially from a director, who made his name by making slow films?

So paced like Arrival and Prisoners with Gosling, possibly in his blinking moron mode from Only God Forgives, walking around the screen? And Scott, who is currently destroying Alien franchise is producing?

Gonna lower my expectations here...

Gosling, Ridley and presence of Ford in the film always worried me. But Fancher and Villeneuve inspired optimism. Now, after seeing the second trailer, I'm far less optimistic. It looked very dry, uninspired, empty and digital.

 

[harlequinade]

BR never had lively engaging flow. Why would you expect it here? Especially from a director, who made his name by making slow films?Gosling, Ridley and presence of Ford in the film always worried me. But Fancher and Villeneuve inspired optimism. Now, after seeing the second trailer, I'm far less optimistic. It looked very dry, uninspired, empty and digital.

It also looked like there is barely any plot there

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2017/06/longish-noir-search-answer/

It would seem that the decades-old Blade Runner suspicion about Harrison Ford‘s Rick Deckard being a replicant has been answered by the trailer for Blade Runner 2049. Deckard, like Ford, has aged, and that, for me, feels like proof that Deckard is flesh and blood. Why on earth would the Tyrell Corporation have constructed replicants that age like humans? This would make no sense at all — none. The official synopsis says 2049 is about LAPD Officer K (Ryan Gosling) discovering “a long-buried secret that has the potential to plunge what’s left of society into chaos,” etc. This “leads K on a quest to find Deckard, a former LAPD blade runner who’s been missing for 30 years.” It would follow, naturally, that the K-meets-Deckard moment happens in the third act. I’ve been told, in fact, that the latest cut of Blade Runner 2049, which was test-screened last night in Paramus, New Jersey, runs between 160 and 165 minutes, and that Ford doesn’t appear until “around” the two-hour mark. A guy who attended suspects the Denis Villenueve‘s film will play better with the critics than with your run-of-the-mill, popcorn-inhaling sci-fi geeks. That, to me, would be excellent news.

 

[The Endless]

There was barely any tangible plot in the original either.

I'm guessing this could get the same sort of reaction as the original. Visually striking but slow, meandering and with no real plot. Even though you'd think people would know better by now.

 

[OutOfBoose]

It also looked like there is barely any plot there

I fear the second film will have much more plot and far less charm than the first film.

 

[harlequinade]

There was barely any tangible plot in the original either.

I'm guessing this could get the same sort of reaction as the original. Visually striking but slow, meandering and with no real plot. Even though you'd think people would know better by now.

Yes but sometimes little plot is good. And sometimes it's Only God Forgives Gosling just makes me think of that

 

[The Endless]

I think Villeneuve is too smart to do that. He knows the appeal of the first film.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Writing felt underwhelming too (so far).

-You're a cop. I had your job once. I was good at.
-I know.
-What do you want?
-I want to ask you some questions.

Snoozefest.

Or pretentious and boring preaching:

There is an order to things. (no ****) That's what we do here. We keep order. (yawn)

 

[The Endless]

Watch the original Blade Runner trailer. There is no poetic dialogue in it either.

"We need ya Deck! This is a bad one!"

I think its a bit silly criticising a films writing from a trailer tbh.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I see no point in discussing the trailer for the original BR, and for the crappy theatrical version anyway.

I know that sometimes trailers aren't representative of the final result. But I'm talking about what I can talk about at the moment - two trailers. They failed to reassure me it's gonna be a great film (and a worthy successor) for the reasons state above.

And "I need ya Deck" is still much better than robotic delivery "I want to ask you some questions" with a blank expression. That's not how people talk.

 

[Consona]

So paced like Arrival and Prisoners with Gosling, possibly in his blinking moron mode from Only God Forgives, walking around the screen? And Scott, who is currently destroying Alien franchise is producing?

Gonna lower my expectations here...

I kinda liked Only God Forgives, in some weird way. Some scenes were great, like this one... this scene was fricking awesome... and that Martinez' music, oh yeah...

[YT]IGrsOI_C5hY[/YT]

 

[chamber-music]

There was barely any tangible plot in the original either.

I'm guessing this could get the same sort of reaction as the original. Visually striking but slow, meandering and with no real plot. Even though you'd think people would know better by now.

The first movie had a plot. Deckard hunts down the Nexus models that illegally came to earth in hopes of extending their life span. Along the way Deckard develops a relationship with replicant Rachel and begins to question his own humanity as well as that of the replicants.

Blade Runner didn't have the most complex plots but it had one. The movie also followed a lot of Neo-Noir genre beats.

The plot really doesn't meander. Blade Runner isn't the most fast paced movie but there aren't many scenes that don't advance the plot, narrative, world or characters in the film.

 

[The Endless]

The first movie had a plot. Deckard hunts down the Nexus models that illegally came to earth in hopes of extending their life span. Along the way Deckard develops a relationship with replicant Rachel and begins to question his own humanity as well as that of the replicants.

Blade Runner didn't have the most complex plots but it had one. The movie also followed a lot of Neo-Noir genre beats.

The plot really doesn't meander. Blade Runner isn't the most fast paced movie but there aren't many scenes that don't advance the plot, narrative, world or characters in the film.

Yea maybe I worded it wrong. It does have a plot. A straight forward A to B to C plot.

But it's kinda secondary to the existential elements. The film isn't really about Deckard hunting the skinjobs.

And by meandering I mean there are scenes that just linger with that amazing Vangelis score. They can come across a bit indulgent and aimless, but ultimately serve a purpose beyond the plot itself. Which is something I don't think audiences appreciated at the time, but obviously do recognise over the years and with re-watches.

 

[chamber-music]

If people can sit through as hour of the new season Twin Peaks and movies like Arrival or Interstellar then they can probably sit through Blade Runner.

 

[OfficerK]

Drive had a pretty actioney trailer and it turned out pretty much like a noir crime drama. I do remember some people being angry the movie wasn't what they expected. They wanted fast and the furious with action.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/oct/10/woman-sues-drive-trailer

Lol...maybe they should dial down the action in the next BR2049 trailer.

I do trust Villeneuve to make a decent movie, but the fact that he isn't in control of which cut of the movie we get is disturbing IMO. What is it in the hands of some WB or Sony executives? ew

edit: I saw the back of a Johnnie Waker box/bottle that said in 2049 the past has been erased, there are no records/history/traditions and only recollections by that time...I agree with the theory replicants are phasing out real humans.

 

[Consona]

Arrival or Interstellar

I loved Interstellar, it wasn't slow.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't want this movie to be a generic piece of action garbage but I do hope that there's enough action and a fast enough pace to keep me interested. I know the original is a classic but it took me a few times to get all the way through it because I had trouble staying awake. Arrival was like the too, to be honest.

However, I think if this thing takes a page from Westworld (TV series) in terms of pacing and action, it could be spectacular. Westworld had a slow pace but it was never boring. And it wasn't action packed, but it also wasn't devoid of it either and the action sequences were quite a spectacle.

 

[BlackFox]

I don't want this movie to be a generic piece of action garbage but I do hope that there's enough action and a fast enough pace to keep me interested. I know the original is a classic but it took me a few times to get all the way through it because I had trouble staying awake. Arrival was like the too, to be honest.

However, I think if this thing takes a page from Westworld (TV series) in terms of pacing and action, it could be spectacular. Westworld had a slow pace but it was never boring. And it wasn't action packed, but it also wasn't devoid of it either and the action sequences were quite a spectacle.

Agreed much like Sicario, I would take sparse, high quality action over continues, relentless action that becomes tiresome. Quality over quantity.

 

[kguillou]

The thing with Arrival though, and Villaneuve's other movies is that although they are deliberately paced the characters are interesting and charismatic enough to carry you through it. For me, if a movie is slow paced AND the characters im following are silent introverts then it becomes a slog to get through.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Drive had a pretty actioney trailer and it turned out pretty much like a noir crime drama. I do remember some people being angry the movie wasn't what they expected. They wanted fast and the furious with action.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/oct/10/woman-sues-drive-trailer

Lol...maybe they should dial down the action in the next BR2049 trailer.

I do trust Villeneuve to make a decent movie, but the fact that he isn't in control of which cut of the movie we get is disturbing IMO. What is it in the hands of some WB or Sony executives? ew

edit: I saw the back of a Johnnie Waker box/bottle that said in 2049 the past has been erased, there are no records/history/traditions and only recollections by that time...I agree with the theory replicants are phasing out real humans.

He does. That's one of things he insists on he said before he signs onto a movie. That he get's the final say on the cut of a movie. And Alcon Entertainment who are making the movie also made Prisoners with him, so they trust him.

 

[OfficerK]

The thing with Arrival though, and Villaneuve's other movies is that although they are deliberately paced the characters are interesting and charismatic enough to carry you through it. For me, if a movie is slow paced AND the characters im following are silent introverts then it becomes a slog to get through.

I honestly didn't like Arrival as much as other people did, I thought it was good but not quite my type of movie. First contact movies don't do anything for me anymore, i'm just not as fascinated by the idea of extraterrestrials as I once was. I also thought the movie was edited weird. I definitely didn't like it as much as his three previous movies. I do expect Goslings character to be introverted and quiet, not too far off from his performance in Drive. I don't think he'll be as expressionless as OGF though.

I think Goslings character will go through the world and go on this noir detective story to find Deckard. And along the way the other characters are the ones who are the talkers and bring interest/charisma to it. And Goslings character is like who we are seeing the world through. And don't forget the rumors about the little deformed boy who follows him everywhere. I wonder if they'll cut him out to trim down the runtime.

 

[OfficerK]

He does. That's one of things he insists on he said before he signs onto a movie. That he get's the final say on the cut of a movie. And Alcon Entertainment who are making the movie also made Prisoners with him, so they trust him.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/denis-villeneuve-talks-making-arrival-blade-runner-sequel-his-way-within-studio-system-1201855955/

"I agreed to do it because the producers behind “Blade Runner” [Broderick Johnson, Andrew A. Kosove] are two friends. I made “Prisoners” with them, and I knew the environment they would create around me would be very secure. I don’t really have final cut on it. The thing I realized about final cut, is it’s the power of the best cut. I didn’t have final cut on “Prisoners,” but what you saw is the best cut. “Sicario” is a directors’ cut, “Arrival” is a directors’ cut. I cannot talk about it, I will see. My relationship with the people I am working with is very strong. At the end of the day what will win is the best movie."

Okay so he is working with people who are giving him some leeway, but he kinda says he doesn't really have final cut. Hopefully he's right though and we do get the good movie.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Lol ARRVAL got nominated for Best Editing at the Oscars and Joe Walker ( Editor) won the ACE Awards for Editing Arrival .Which is basically the Editing world's OScars. http://variety.com/2017/artisans/in...ace-eddie-awards-for-film-editing-1201971808/

In the highly competitive drama category, editor Joe Walker won out for Denis Villeneuve’s alien invasion psychodrama “Arrival.” Walker was previously ACE-nominated for “12 Years a Slave” and “Sicaro,” and along with Cross, was Oscar-nominated this year for his work.