Comics BND - Update? Mephisto kept his word?

[Donald Thomas]

In part three of OMD, Mephisto mentions the reason he's not interested in bargaining for Peter's soul is because he may end up getting it anyway as a result of the deal.

Aloha,
Very true, but that's more Mephisto messing with his mind than truth.Mephisto has a lousy track record when it comes to actually KEEPING the souls of any super hero.He tricked Thing and had She Hulk in a contract, but lost out both times. Ultimately, Peter Parker with the support of his wife, SACRIFICED his marriage, so that May Parker could live.MJ was NOT a silent partner in any of this.She was the one who told Peter to at least hear Mephisto out, when he made the offer.She also made a SIDE DEAL with M, which we still don't know about.
Spidey rules

 

[Dom]

Aloha,
Very true, but that's more Mephisto messing with his mind than truth.Mephisto has a lousy track record when it comes to actually KEEPING the souls of any super hero.He tricked Thing and had She Hulk in a contract, but lost out both times.

Of course, he's the villain. Generally, they have a habit of losing.

Ultimately, Peter Parker with the support of his wife, SACRIFICED his marriage, so that May Parker could live.MJ was NOT a silent partner in any of this.She was the one who told Peter to at least hear Mephisto out, when he made the offer.She also made a SIDE DEAL with M, which we still don't know about.
Spidey rules

Peter could have immediately said no when Mephisto first appeared, yet he didn't. That means he was considering it, too. Basically, Peter ignored the very rule he's lived his life by, being responsible. The right thing to do would have been to let May go, especially since she had already told him to. The irresponsible thing was letting Mephisto win and furthering whatever agenda he had.
There's no way it was simply about souls screaming in torment. That would last maybe fifty years or so. That's not very long to an immortal being like Mephisto. Not to mention there would be the possibility of them getting back together, which would mean Mephisto got the crap end of the stick in that deal. Unless, of course, he received their souls as a result, but that didn't seem to be a guarantee.

 

[bryanss3]

I don't get why nothing from OMD effects the rest of the marvel universe. i get no one knows Spider-man is Peter parker now, but they altered reality, how many times has the marvel universe been altered and at least 1 person knew the truth.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Spidey unmasking in CW was a MAJOR plot point. I just don't understand how everyone simply 'forgot' Peter unmasked [even the Avengers]. Especially given the news coverage!

This is madness....THIS IS SPIDEY!

 

[bryanss3]

the real thing that doesn't make sense about it is it didn't really change anything other than his marriage and the world knowing his identity. before OMD he was running around as a wanted man... and guess what now still running around as a wanted man. I actually thought it was interesting having the world know who he is. Imagine if Joe Quesada realizes Spider-man being married gives him more depth and right now he is a super hero who secret identity is a slacker college graduate photographer who has a new job every other issue, and just doesn't act like him self.

 

[Styleshift]

the real thing that doesn't make sense about it is it didn't really change anything other than his marriage and the world knowing his identity. before OMD he was running around as a wanted man... and guess what now still running around as a wanted man. I actually thought it was interesting having the world know who he is. Imagine if Joe Quesada realizes Spider-man being married gives him more depth and right now he is a super hero who secret identity is a slacker college graduate photographer who has a new job every other issue, and just doesn't act like him self.

One more day didn't retcon the identity. It did at first but they changed it in NWTD. He found other means to do so...

As of now One more day has only retconned the marriage and brought Aunt May back from death's door.

apparently they made up a totally different Brand new day world within 100 days.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Aw....here come the continuity headaches.

 

[Blader5489]

One more day didn't retcon the identity. It did at first but they changed it in NWTD. He found other means to do so...

As I understand it, Mephisto erased Spidey's identity from everyone, and the "we" explain given in NWTD is how Pete is remembering it. Since, obviously, he wouldn't remember ever dealing with Mephisto.

 

[bryanss3]

the biggest question of all why does Mephisto find the marriage something worth making a deal for. was the deal to take away character growth?, was it to make it easier for new readers to come on board even though if you're new to spider-man you probably don't know who MJ, Flash Thompson, Felicia Hardy, Harry Osborn, or Betty Brant and just about all of his supporting cast are so why add a bunch of new cast members?, was it so that the little kids finally moving on up from marvel adventures can see the same character.. oh wait I'm pretty sure that Spider-man has a Mary Jane, was it cause if a super hero is married that makes them lame? I know when I get to the reveal page in a comic and see that the character has a wife I return my comic to the store and ask for a refund.

there is no reason for Mephisto to have shown up. what value is breaking up a marriage to a Devil if no one gets to suffer from it? I mean whats to stop them from getting back together next year or the year after and so on? if Pete and MJ ever start dating again is Aunt May all of a sudden going to die.

like mentioned above in NWTD the "we" that made no one know Pete is Spidey. Peter apparently knows something happened so why haven't we seen anything in a thought bubble aside from that? It wouldn't bother me as much if they didn't clearly show Peter knows something and then just not talk about it.

 

[Blader5489]

was it to make it easier for new readers to come on board even though if you're new to spider-man you probably don't know who MJ, Flash Thompson, Felicia Hardy, Harry Osborn, or Betty Brant and just about all of his supporting cast are so why add a bunch of new cast members?

You just answered your own question.

 

[bryanss3]

what I mean is if you don't know who these people are you learn in the story. Its not like they're referencing issues from the 90's every other issue... just using villains from the 90's. But come on all it takes is one recap page at the beginning of the issue and if you're not sure who the character is you know. MJ= wife, Flash Thompson=high School bully turn Friend, Felicia Hardy=The Black Cat/Ex-girlfriend, Harry=best friend second green goblin, and Betty Brant=Friend/Coworker/Reprter for DB. thats pretty easy to do.

 

[Themanofbat]

the biggest question of all why does Mephisto find the marriage something worth making a deal for

Read the issues... Mephisto clearly states that the Parkers had a "special" kind of love that if Mephisto took it away, it was like kicking God in the nuts...

 

[bryanss3]

yeah what a kick in the nuts they break up and an old woman lives. that hurt god so much.

 

[Themanofbat]

yeah what a kick in the nuts they break up and an old woman lives. that hurt god so much.

You can be sarcastic all you want, but I would think that evil dissolving a "sacred love" would be akin to a kick in the nuts to god...

 

[bryanss3]

well I think when there is well over 7 billion people in the world a sacred love that the couple chose to lose isn't gonna bother god to much, there is plenty of love else where.

 

[Themanofbat]

well I think when there is well over 7 billion people in the world a sacred love that the couple chose to lose isn't gonna bother god to much, there is plenty of love else where.

They're comics dude... chill...

 

[bryanss3]

I know dude smile

 

[imdaly]

Peter could have immediately said no when Mephisto first appeared, yet he didn't. That means he was considering it, too.

Huh??

The VERY first thing Pete says after Mephisto first says "I want your love. I want your marriage" is "Well let me tell you where you can shove your offer--" where he is immediately cut off by MJ who says "No, Peter, wait! If he has the power to do what you say he can do, let's at least hear him out."

Pete DID immediately say no. And it was MJ who stopped him and made him consider the deal. Heck, it was MJ who first agreed!

 

[Dom]

Huh??

The VERY first thing Pete says after Mephisto first says "I want your love. I want your marriage" is "Well let me tell you where you can shove your offer--" where he is immediately cut off by MJ who says "No, Peter, wait! If he has the power to do what you say he can do, let's at least hear him out."

Pete DID immediately say no. And it was MJ who stopped him and made him consider the deal. Heck, it was MJ who first agreed!

I was referring to when Mephisto first reveals himself. He says he has a deal to offer and Peter says he can't make the decision alone. That means he was considering it.

 

[moraldeficiency]

yeah what a kick in the nuts they break up and an old woman lives. that hurt god so much.

Well you have to remember May wanted to die, so forcing her to live when it was stated as her time is pretty ******. Plus like TMOB said he got Peter Parker a good man to help him kick god in the nuts and lead him down the road to eventual damnation. I think Mephisto did alright in the deal.

 

[Themanofbat]

Reading about kicking god in the nuts makes me snicker... t: t: t:

 

[shinlyle]

Okay, I wa trying to stay out of this, but boredom and such led me here.

First off, Letting Aunt May die and keeping the marriage is what God would want. Marriage is a sacred union of body and soul, as ordained by God, and to let that be put usunder in this way would be very much against God.

Also, letting Aunt May die would be FOR God, not against. It was her time, God even appeared to Peter in SSM to let him know that everything happens for a reason, and then showed him all of the people he had saved. God theoretically offered Peter a deal before the Devil did, if you look at it this way. He told Peter to accept it and be happy.

When Mephisto offered Peter the deal, and he accepted, he went against God's plan. Yes, he saved an old woman...one who wanted to go home to be with her husband(irony?), and one who God himself was preparing a place for her(by his appearance, it's obvious May was Heaven-Bound).

Now, THAT being stated, the whole argument is rendered moot by the fact that no one was written in character the entire story. Peter would have told MJ that he knew better than to deal with the devil, and cited examples...Ghost Rider...and refused to go through with it. MJ was written as a basic add-on. Her part in this story was so small that she could have been written out of it. She has RARELY been written as shallow and one-dimensional as she was in this 4 part storyline. Hell, the first two issues, she was barely even there!

Ugh.

Anyways, that's my OMD rant for this week.

 

[farmernudie]

Bravo.

Amen.

Couldn't put it better!

 

[ScottishFogg]

Very nice, Shinlyle.

 

[ZollyBeckerShow]

I pray some irate fanboy pulls a "Mark David Chapman" on Joey Q.