Body Modification is a strange thing

[jaguarr]

Nope.



We'll talk about transgenderism and fetishism in the context of this thread later mate.

- Whirly

Have a good workout!

jag

 

[Daisy]

The people on the site are not her main targets they could be considered part of the problem in that some psychosis spread through vindictaion from a small number of "peers". I agree with you it's unlikely she works in a bank.


- Whirly

So she's a poor marketer? She put her photo on a body modification site when she was really trying to target the myspace crowd? That makes total sense.

Are you familiar with the term 'projection'? It's where someone projects traits they dislike about themselves onto other people.

 

[Lurk]

have a good evening mate.

- Whirly

cheers

 

[Whirlysplat]

So she's a poor marketer? She put her photo on a body modification site when she was really trying to target the myspace crowd? That makes total sense.

Are you familiar with the term 'projection'? It's where someone projects traits they dislike about themselves onto other people.

I don't think Myspace would provide the kind of affirmation she requires, although I am not a member so I don't really know. Yes, I understand the term "projection", however I have no urge to mutilate myself and I don't provide affirmation for those who do, I have at times had to deal with the fallout for those who have mutilated themselves, but that isn't particularly relevant to my opinion on body modification as it had formed before one of my students ended up having skin grafts because they had damaged their torso so much. So I'm unsure of the point you're trying to make.

or is it i'm not quite sure.

- Whirly

 

[Danalys]

Well...

breast reduction
wart/mole removal
removing eyelid folds
removing sixth fingers or toes or third nipples

none of those are what I would call "reconstructive"

as far as i'm conserned they are all unnessersary. any surgery compromises natural selection. how far does it go how many surgeriers will the future have. i see a bleak future where every child is rushed to surgery to save their life or remove an extra toe. where humans become play things to genetic tampering. all designed to fit in with the now and not allowing the improvements that could happen. man becomes man's idea of man, which isn't quite man. the perfect mate aparently is a hollow shadow of the truth. as we all take heavy breath together chocking on the air of the world we build we think this is normal because everyone is messed up equally. i dispare for a future that hasn't even happened yet. i almost weep for those that will suffer through surgery or illness. and i know i can't stop it.

 

[The Female Torch]

man those pics are just creepy

 

[DareDemon]

One of my friends has a bone that sticks out like that if he pushes out his chest. Looks almost like that, except slightly less creepy.

 

[jaguarr]

as far as i'm conserned they are all unnessersary. any surgery compromises natural selection. how far does it go how many surgeriers will the future have. i see a bleak future where every child is rushed to surgery to save their life or remove an extra toe. where humans become play things to genetic tampering. all designed to fit in with the now and not allowing the improvements that could happen. man becomes man's idea of man, which isn't quite man. the perfect mate aparently is a hollow shadow of the truth. as we all take heavy breath together chocking on the air of the world we build we think this is normal because everyone is messed up equally. i dispare for a future that hasn't even happened yet. i almost weep for those that will suffer through surgery or illness. and i know i can't stop it.

So the woman who has breasts so enormous that they cause her incredible back pain should just suffer for her entire life, then? The person with painful corns and bunions should just suffer? Funny that you equate cosmetic surgery with genetic tampering, by the way, since the two aren't really connected at all. Also, interesting that you bring up natural selection as a reason for not supporting surgical procedures. By this logic, all modern medicine should be abolished because it's enabled people to live happier, healthier lives. However, what you don't really allow for is that the very fact that human beings have been given the capacity to do these things is just as much a part of nature as anything else. It reminds me of that Love & Rockets song with the line "You cannot go against nature because when you do, it's a part of nature too."

jag

 

[Hooligan32]

And that's exactly the kind of ramifications people need to take into consideration when they're contemplating body modifications. It could impact their ability to gain lucrative employment. My ink is easily covered and the majority of people have no idea it's there, as are most of my piercings with the exception of my earrings, which are only 14g and relatively innoccuous and fairly common even with older guys these days. But I work in a corporate environment and wouldn't want to damage my standings in the office by going with some of the more extreme mods that people are doing. And besides, those more extreme mods don't really suit me as a person, anyway and don't appeal to me for my own body.

jag

But doesn't it irritate you sometimes to know that there are people who would judge you based on your tats? I ****ing hate that.

 

[jaguarr]

But doesn't it irritate you sometimes to know that there are people who would judge you based on your tats? I ****ing hate that.

No, not really, because I don't give a flying f**k what they think, to be honest.

jag

 

[Danalys]

So the woman who has breasts so enormous that they cause her incredible back pain should just suffer for her entire life, then? The person with painful corns and bunions should just suffer? Funny that you equate cosmetic surgery with genetic tampering, by the way, since the two aren't really connected at all. Also, interesting that you bring up natural selection as a reason for not supporting surgical procedures. By this logic, all modern medicine should be abolished because it's enabled people to live happier, healthier lives. However, what you don't really allow for is that the very fact that human beings have been given the capacity to do these things is just as much a part of nature as anything else. It reminds me of that Love & Rockets song with the line "You cannot go against nature because when you do, it's a part of nature too."

jag

i disagree medicines treat symptoms not causes. in fact everything you brought up was a symptom not a cause. i'd much rather get rid of the causes, then everything else falls into place. people aren't happier and healthier they are just numb to the pain, or in pain that a healthier life style would fix, or would have stopped occuring in the first place.

 

[jaguarr]

i disagree medicines treat symptoms not causes. in fact everything you brought up was a symptom not a cause. i'd much rather get rid of the causes, then everything else falls into place. people aren't happier and healthier they are just numb to the pain, or in pain that a healthier life style would fix, or would have stopped occuring in the first place.

What exactly are breasts so huge they cause neck, back and shoulder problems a symptom of, then? And medicines don't just treat symptoms, they are used just as much to treat causes of disease as they are to treat the symptoms.

jag

 

[Danalys]

hormones in food perhaps. excess fat in diet, not enough exercise to strengthen back before breasts got that big, bad posture. multiple reasons at once probably. also the sexual selection for large breasts in females. seeing the effects of them could cure that aswell. massage could help to relieve tension in the back. physiotheraphy to strengthen the back gently abit at a time. all takes more care and effort than taking a quick fix pill tho. but life would certainly be more rewarding.

 

[jaguarr]

Overly large breasts are a symptom of bad posture and excess fat in a woman's diet? I don't think so. You've never known someone who's suffered from this particular affliction, have you? Have you ever suffered in your life?

I'm a big fan of alternative medicines and rehabilitative therapies, but even those things go against natural selection by the logic you presented earlier. Going by that logic, anything outside of a human being's own natural healing abilities that allows them to overcome disease, illness or some other problem goes against natural selection. As humans, we've developed the insight and knowledge to apply pressure points to the right parts of the body or insert small needles into them to facilitate healing, because we have been given the capacity to do so. We've learned how to use massage to ease muscular and even skeletal distress, because we've been given the capacity to. We've learned which natural herbs and compounds help ease pain or cure certain ailments, because we have been given the capacity to. We've learned how to open up a human being and operate on their internal organs or even remove them so that they can live a better life, because we have been given the capacity to. We've learned how to synthesize medications or refine natural resources so that they are more effective in treating and curing diseases, because we have been given the capacity to. That capacity was given to us by nature and therefore the things that can be done in the field of medicine are just as much a part of nature.

jag

 

[Danalys]

part of nature but who said all that was natural was right. it precisely because i have suffered in my life that i want to illiminate the root causes of some things. get presumptuous all you want, but it wont change my actual stance on the issue. not all we have learnt is benificial and much of what we have learnt is harmful. you want to take the multitude of possibitlities i pointed towards and focus on the ones you find to be obsurd. but frankly i don't care because you're argueing from an all too commen mindset. bringing out many disinguenous argueing techniques aswell. as for my suggestions for rememdies to the causes not following natural selection i would say that it is only human beings removal for natural behaviours that lead to these problems. we are at a point where we select an environment to live in rather than adapting to the environment. we take ourselves away from the need to walk. the desire to stretch. we live by social conventions, rather than just being. there is still environment at play as well as genes. and i want an enviroment that actually allows fair competition. i want an environment that is actually a realistic challenge for human potential. rather than us poisoning ourselves with things we haven't had the time to adapt too. the way we go about things now is like finding an expensive medication for the plague rather than cleaning up the water supply.

 

[The Female Torch]

bump

 

[Bat Brain]

Obviously a big Wolverine fan.

 

[Master Chief]

Pretty cool but they ain't flat/long enough, lol. If I ever get a modification like that it's gonna be done right. As in I'll have it done to my whole skeleton. Have 'em shoot out of my knuckles whenever I want. METAL MAN.

 

[jaguarr]

Obviously a big Wolverine fan.

Looks cool, but heaven help him if he ever actually hits something with those. They'll rip right out the back of his hand. Pretty impractical, really, but he looks happy.

jag

 

[Hades]

Looks cool, but heaven help him if he ever actually hits something with those. They'll rip right out the back of his hand. Pretty impractical, really, but he looks happy.

jag

He looks gorked, especially the way he's sticking it through his nose. Somebody should help guide the metal spike to his mid temples.

 

[Bill]

Looks cool, but heaven help him if he ever actually hits something with those. They'll rip right out the back of his hand. Pretty impractical, really, but he looks happy.

jag

Impractical was always the word I couldn't help but think of when I saw people who did some types of extreme body modification. I have no problem with anyone doing whatever they want to their bodies, but the idea of the many rituals that such modifications might add to such simple things as going to bed or taking a shower fascinated me. I guess I'm hindered by my own need to not have anything I might do to myself complicate my life any further with the practice of worrying about cutting or stabbing myself during sleep or putting multiple piercings in or out, the worry of hygeine, upkeep, and whatnot for the sake of expressing what is on the outside. It's their worries and I applaud them for having the time and freedom to allow for doing it. But, man, it looks like a pain in the ass to contend with.

 

[Leto Atrides]

Pretty cool but they ain't flat/long enough, lol. If I ever get a modification like that it's gonna be done right. As in I'll have it done to my whole skeleton. Have 'em shoot out of my knuckles whenever I want. METAL MAN.

Have fun getting you vertebrae sheathed in metal

 

[jaguarr]

Impractical was always the word I couldn't help but think of when I saw people who did some types of extreme body modification. I have no problem with anyone doing whatever they want to their bodies, but the idea of the many rituals that such modifications might add to such simple things as going to bed or taking a shower fascinated me. I guess I'm hindered by my own need to not have anything I might do to myself complicate my life any further with the practice of worrying about cutting or stabbing myself during sleep or putting multiple piercings in or out, the worry of hygeine, upkeep, and whatnot for the sake of expressing what is on the outside. It's their worries and I applaud them for having the time and freedom to allow for doing it. But, man, it looks like a pain in the ass to contend with.

So, I have some piercings and they do require a bit of extra care and hygiene, but it's really pretty minimal and doesn't add much if any time to a shower for me. But having some friggin' claws sticking out of your hand like that might be a bit of a hinderence for certain things, no doubt. Varying levels of practicality, I suppose.

jag

 

[The Female Torch]

Obviously a big Wolverine fan.

hey, that's kinda cool looking