Bought/Thought April 15th, 2009

[javi1024]

Uncanny X-Men #508 - it was a pretty cool set-up issue with some cool moments, but nothing really spectacular. what i liked most about this book is how your finally seeing what Greymalkin Industries actually is, and the enormous cast Fraction is juggling at once is nice change of pace of your typical superhero team set up. and im very interested in what he has planned for Psylocke. 7/10

X-Men Legacy #223 - ....eh. i really like Rogue and how he's exploring her characters and the fundamentals of powers, but i really don't care for the rest of the story which seems to be the main focus. 5/10

Amazing Spider-Man #591 - PICK OF THE WEEK! i was a little skeptical with the last issue, but Slott really knows how to write characters and that was the biggest draw of the book. plus he plants seed for some very interesting stories for the future and because of this he keeps me wanting more every week. 9/10

Superman/ Batman #58 - ugh... it's bad enough them finding an actual civilization in the microverse, but how many times is Superman going to be brainwashed into fighting Batman in this book? 3/10

 

[JewishHobbit]

No, you must be lying, because Joey Q said that nobody liked Peter and MJ as a couple, and getting them apart was simply a given, and the only problem anyone could possibly have with OMD/BND was HOW they were broken up.

Oh yes, because that Quesada guy know EXACTLY what the fan's are thinking

Joe Quesada didn't do what the fans wanted. He didn't do squat for any of us. He did what he wanted, some stupid personal desire, and just said screw the rest. He couldn't even bother to come up with a good way to make it happen and just crapped all over those of us (most of us) who liked the marraige. Honestly, if I wasn't so addicted to comics I'd have dropped the whole Marvel line then and there because I don't want to ever get my 'heart' into any more of these characters and titles if some idiotic editor-in-chief will just say screw you to me and defile them, declaring it gold.

Honestly, I really think that's the point when I stopped liking comics as much as I used to. I read them out of habbit these days. There's very few titles I actually love anymore and I hate to admit that I've begun weeding my collection. I'm selling old stuff on ebay, I'm buying less titles. The Economy is helping me with this, but I've found that I don't care as much. I hate to say it, but I can see myself a few years from now buying maybe 4 or 5 titles a month instead of the 20 or so I do currently, or even none at all. Joe Quesada's killed my love of the industry to the point where I just don't care anymore. There's a random title or character that I still find I like a lot (Nova, Iron Fist) but the majority are just things I read because I've always read (such as the X-Men line) or I plan on binding them into hardbacks and can't find a good jumping off point (such as the Avengers line).

And the thing that ticks me off the most is that I've been a Marvel reader and loyal fan for 18 years solid, and with this one idea Joe Quesada has killed any faith I have in the medium and his company specifically, which will probably lead to my dropping it entirely within a few years, and he just won't care a lick, even if I contact him about it. I'm just another one of the drones of criticism when I did nothing but defend the choices of him company through the years. I stood buy and supported the Clone Saga, post Clone Saga, New Avengers and all the Bendis bashing, the slow eras of the X-Men, etc. I was one of the guys on the hype who defended everything and never complained. And now I'm just a drone.

And I even find myself growing frustrated with writers and artists. Dan Slott is a prime example. The guy's talented and a nice guy. Great writer. He was a writer that I knew I could always trust to tell some great stories and keep characters true to who they are and have always been. But his part in writing Spider-Man is just another slap in the face to me. Someone I used to really enjoy reading is taking part in the masterbation of a character that I grew up loving, that taught me morals and things my crap of a father never did. And even though Dan Slott had nothing to do with the concept of OMD his further structuring of the BND is still taking part and destroying the character that I've read for 18 years. Now, I understand why he does it. It's his job and it's a wonderful oppertunity to write Spider-Man. I completely understand that and I know I'm in the wrong for being annoyed by him for taking part of BND, but I've become that imbittered by it. I find myself not liking anyone in connection to the Spidey creative and editorial team and the more time goes by the more I find myself becoming bitter toward Marvel in general. Steve McNiven is another creator I adored but am becoming frustrated with because he helped launch BND.

Oh, but Joey Q knows exactly what the people think about OMD/BND

Joey Q is an idiot.

 

[Themanofbat]

Oh yes, because that Quesada guy know EXACTLY what the fan's are thinking

Joe Quesada didn't do what the fans wanted. He didn't do squat for any of us. He did what he wanted, some stupid personal desire, and just said screw the rest. He couldn't even bother to come up with a good way to make it happen and just crapped all over those of us (most of us) who liked the marraige. Honestly, if I wasn't so addicted to comics I'd have dropped the whole Marvel line then and there because I don't want to ever get my 'heart' into any more of these characters and titles if some idiotic editor-in-chief will just say screw you to me and defile them, declaring it gold.

Honestly, I really think that's the point when I stopped liking comics as much as I used to. I read them out of habbit these days. There's very few titles I actually love anymore and I hate to admit that I've begun weeding my collection. I'm selling old stuff on ebay, I'm buying less titles. The Economy is helping me with this, but I've found that I don't care as much. I hate to say it, but I can see myself a few years from now buying maybe 4 or 5 titles a month instead of the 20 or so I do currently, or even none at all. Joe Quesada's killed my love of the industry to the point where I just don't care anymore. There's a random title or character that I still find I like a lot (Nova, Iron Fist) but the majority are just things I read because I've always read (such as the X-Men line) or I plan on binding them into hardbacks and can't find a good jumping off point (such as the Avengers line).

And the thing that ticks me off the most is that I've been a Marvel reader and loyal fan for 18 years solid, and with this one idea Joe Quesada has killed any faith I have in the medium and his company specifically, which will probably lead to my dropping it entirely within a few years, and he just won't care a lick, even if I contact him about it. I'm just another one of the drones of criticism when I did nothing but defend the choices of him company through the years. I stood buy and supported the Clone Saga, post Clone Saga, New Avengers and all the Bendis bashing, the slow eras of the X-Men, etc. I was one of the guys on the hype who defended everything and never complained. And now I'm just a drone.

And I even find myself growing frustrated with writers and artists. Dan Slott is a prime example. The guy's talented and a nice guy. Great writer. He was a writer that I knew I could always trust to tell some great stories and keep characters true to who they are and have always been. But his part in writing Spider-Man is just another slap in the face to me. Someone I used to really enjoy reading is taking part in the masterbation of a character that I grew up loving, that taught me morals and things my crap of a father never did. And even though Dan Slott had nothing to do with the concept of OMD his further structuring of the BND is still taking part and destroying the character that I've read for 18 years. Now, I understand why he does it. It's his job and it's a wonderful oppertunity to write Spider-Man. I completely understand that and I know I'm in the wrong for being annoyed by him for taking part of BND, but I've become that imbittered by it. I find myself not liking anyone in connection to the Spidey creative and editorial team and the more time goes by the more I find myself becoming bitter toward Marvel in general. Steve McNiven is another creator I adored but am becoming frustrated with because he helped launch BND.

Oh, but Joey Q knows exactly what the people think about OMD/BND

Joey Q is an idiot.

You know, after I read that JQ did what HE wanted, the rest of your post sounded like the teacher in Charlie Brown... "Wha-wha-wha"...



Marvel Comics Inc., the proprietor of the character of Spider-Man, has wanted a single Peter Parker as far back as 1993... JQ did not simply "do what he wanted"... he tried to comply with a mandate that HIS BOSSES have wanted for over 15 YEARS... You really think he could do something so HUGE with somebody else's character? You think that maybe they gave him the green light with this?

You want to be a big baby and blame JQ? That's fine... live with a pair of blinders on... that's par for the course in your country. But if you want to really be mad at somebody for this... blame Marvel Comics Inc, speak with your wallet, and stop buying all their books.

Instead, retort back to me about what a big *****e I am, JQ is a stupid <fill in the blank>, and then you'll carry on with your ignorance.

What a blissful life you must live...

 

[iloveclones]

You know, after I read that JQ did what HE wanted, the rest of your post sounded like the teacher in Charlie Brown... "Wha-wha-wha"...



Marvel Comics Inc., the proprietor of the character of Spider-Man, has wanted a single Peter Parker as far back as 1993... JQ did not simply "do what he wanted"... he tried to comply with a mandate that HIS BOSSES have wanted for over 15 YEARS... You really think he could do something so HUGE with somebody else's character? You think that maybe they gave him the green light with this?

You want to be a big baby and blame JQ? That's fine... live with a pair of blinders on... that's par for the course in your country. But if you want to really be mad at somebody for this... blame Marvel Comics Inc, speak with your wallet, and stop buying all their books.

Instead, retort back to me about what a big *****e I am, JQ is a stupid <fill in the blank>, and then you'll carry on with your ignorance.

What a blissful life you must live...

Ouch.



*****e

 

[moraldeficiency]

I'll have to call BS on that. MJ and pete were seperated lots of ****ing times and all marvel had to do was not get them back together any of those times and then no life rape or satanic deals or mystical abortions. Joe did push that through and maybe Marvel Inc. kinda wanted that but if they really did the way you're saying why did they keep getting Pete and MJ back together? Also Joe ****ing wrote OMD. I don't think the man is the devil he did lots of good things, but to say he's simply the fall guy for something obviously his own agenda and doing is perverting reality as well.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Ouch.



*****e

agreed, somebody didn't get their cup of syrup this morning.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It certainly made a bit of sense and was more nuanced than I think most writers these days are capable of producing, but sometimes I wonder if Tomasi is really aware of the things that he's putting down on the page. In this issue alone, we have faces and limbs getting ripped off almost as an afterthought, we have someone getting torn in two by the midsection, we have someone wearing their ripped-out-tongue as a necklace around their neck, and then we got the suicides. It's all infinitely cracktastic and I wouldn't have it any other way, I just wonder if Tomasi should really be relying on gross-out shock as much as he does.

Well, we're coming off of one war and heading into another with the GL titles, so a lot of darkness and destruction makes sense. And, for all we know, it could be mostly Gleason. He seems to like drawing gritty, bloody stuff. Even when he was on Aquaman, which featured much lighter material than GLC, he tended to have pretty visceral pages here and there. Only the mass suicides and Arkillo's tongue must've been in the script; Tomasi may have directed Gleason to bloody up the prison break, but maybe Gleason just did it on his own. Who knows? I think all the blood and guts are fun, so long as we don't get to see any of Kilowog, Kyle, Guy, or Soranik's.

 

[Texas]

Oh yes, because that Quesada guy know EXACTLY what the fan's are thinking

Joe Quesada didn't do what the fans wanted. He didn't do squat for any of us. He did what he wanted, some stupid personal desire, and just said screw the rest. He couldn't even bother to come up with a good way to make it happen and just crapped all over those of us (most of us) who liked the marraige. Honestly, if I wasn't so addicted to comics I'd have dropped the whole Marvel line then and there because I don't want to ever get my 'heart' into any more of these characters and titles if some idiotic editor-in-chief will just say screw you to me and defile them, declaring it gold.

Honestly, I really think that's the point when I stopped liking comics as much as I used to. I read them out of habbit these days. There's very few titles I actually love anymore and I hate to admit that I've begun weeding my collection. I'm selling old stuff on ebay, I'm buying less titles. The Economy is helping me with this, but I've found that I don't care as much. I hate to say it, but I can see myself a few years from now buying maybe 4 or 5 titles a month instead of the 20 or so I do currently, or even none at all. Joe Quesada's killed my love of the industry to the point where I just don't care anymore. There's a random title or character that I still find I like a lot (Nova, Iron Fist) but the majority are just things I read because I've always read (such as the X-Men line) or I plan on binding them into hardbacks and can't find a good jumping off point (such as the Avengers line).

And the thing that ticks me off the most is that I've been a Marvel reader and loyal fan for 18 years solid, and with this one idea Joe Quesada has killed any faith I have in the medium and his company specifically, which will probably lead to my dropping it entirely within a few years, and he just won't care a lick, even if I contact him about it. I'm just another one of the drones of criticism when I did nothing but defend the choices of him company through the years. I stood buy and supported the Clone Saga, post Clone Saga, New Avengers and all the Bendis bashing, the slow eras of the X-Men, etc. I was one of the guys on the hype who defended everything and never complained. And now I'm just a drone.

And I even find myself growing frustrated with writers and artists. Dan Slott is a prime example. The guy's talented and a nice guy. Great writer. He was a writer that I knew I could always trust to tell some great stories and keep characters true to who they are and have always been. But his part in writing Spider-Man is just another slap in the face to me. Someone I used to really enjoy reading is taking part in the masterbation of a character that I grew up loving, that taught me morals and things my crap of a father never did. And even though Dan Slott had nothing to do with the concept of OMD his further structuring of the BND is still taking part and destroying the character that I've read for 18 years. Now, I understand why he does it. It's his job and it's a wonderful oppertunity to write Spider-Man. I completely understand that and I know I'm in the wrong for being annoyed by him for taking part of BND, but I've become that imbittered by it. I find myself not liking anyone in connection to the Spidey creative and editorial team and the more time goes by the more I find myself becoming bitter toward Marvel in general. Steve McNiven is another creator I adored but am becoming frustrated with because he helped launch BND.

Oh, but Joey Q knows exactly what the people think about OMD/BND

Joey Q is an idiot.

After have read the above, I still have no idea specifically what your upset about Is it basically the marriage thing ?

 

[iloveclones]

I'll have to call BS on that. MJ and pete were seperated lots of ****ing times and all marvel had to do was not get them back together any of those times and then no life rape or satanic deals or mystical abortions. Joe did push that through and maybe Marvel Inc. kinda wanted that but if they really did the way you're saying why did they keep getting Pete and MJ back together? Also Joe ****ing wrote OMD. I don't think the man is the devil he did lots of good things, but to say he's simply the fall guy for something obviously his own agenda and doing is perverting reality as well.

You know, I would sort of like to know the behind-the-scenes goings-on as far as Spidey is concerned for the last 10 years. Because there were a lot of forces pulling in different directions:

Remember, when JMS came on board, it was a big coup for JQ. And I remember reading (in Wizard or somewhere) that he, initially, wanted MJ off the table, to concentrate on Pete. Which is what he did. In all honesty, if they were going to split, that would have been the time.

The movie coming out in 2002. I think that Marvel (not JQ) felt it would be confusing for people to have it one way in the movie, and another in the comics. I always thought they were wrong, and would have liked the movie to have less of the romance angle anyway (I generally feel that way, but movies like Spidey and Titanic always show that I'm in the minority. And wrong, not quality wise, but box office wise.)

TMOB is right that Marvel the corporation has wanted for years for him to be young, hip, and single (you can debate whether he is now those things in a lot of people's mind). That same corporation looked at the movie numbers, and decided they didn't want to push that agenda with Spidey and MJ becoming a household term.

Add to all this the stigma of divorce. How they though divorce was worse than Faustian deals is beyond, well, just about everyone. I guess they thought that fans would distinguish something real(divorce) from something completely in the realm of fiction, and would just move on. The sad thing is, all they had to do was look to shows like friends to see how the specter of divorce can be made acceptable, and actually work for you. As long as the characters around Pete joked about it, it would have been allright.

Bottom line (for me at least): It could have been handled better. But in the end, I think they're making good (spidey) stories, so I buy them. I don't subscribe to this notion of moustache twirling and pissing/crapping/ flipping birds to the fans or as Brevoort said, some kind of Machiavellian machinations going on behind the scenes. I think these guys are professionals, who, at time, make mistakes, mis-schedule, plan poorly, and at times give us GotG, Annhilation, Cap, DD, She-Hulk(Slott), Runaways(Vaughn), Mary Jane loves Spidey, Spider-Girl and Planet Hulk (and many, many others) For me, the good far outweighs the bad.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I agree with all of that. As for marvel inc's wants, I believe those change almost seasonally depending on whatever the current trend is. The only thing they've actively cared about consistantly for ten years is money.

I don't get it about divorce either. Spider-Man became successful because he was the most human superhuman and had to deal with greater everyday life stuff in addition to psychos. To go away from that is a mistake in my mind. Or they could have killed her off as well, I like MJ, but a proper farewell would have been acceptable to move to that agenda.

 

[kguillou]

Well, eventhough i'm completely anti-OMD, i'm gonna play devil's advocate here. I think Marvel didnt wanna divorce or kill MJ because well let's face it, the spiderman books would have been a lot more depressing. Marvel wanted to make the books lighter and fun again,so if pete got divorced or MJ got killed, i feel like either of those would've stuck with Pete for a long time and Pete would've just been depressed and ultimately the reader would be depressed too. Although i guess you could argue that they could just simply not mention her death or the divorce ever again and have pete move on, but realistically either of those options would put pete in a darker place than he was just prior to OMD. IMO

 

[Doomed_hero]

If it ws good writing it would have been Peter letting Aunt May die and facing it since Spider-man has always been about Peter dealing with hard life changing events(even if he has dealt with her dying before) and then chiocing to let MJ go or forcing her to leave him so she was not a criminal her whole life. Yet of course Marvel wanted light hearted and fun a sacrificed what could have been a good story and shown growth in the character to rewrite stories from the 1970s.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Marvel Comics Inc., the proprietor of the character of Spider-Man, has wanted a single Peter Parker as far back as 1993... JQ did not simply "do what he wanted"... he tried to comply with a mandate that HIS BOSSES have wanted for over 15 YEARS... You really think he could do something so HUGE with somebody else's character? You think that maybe they gave him the green light with this?

You want to be a big baby and blame JQ? That's fine... live with a pair of blinders on... that's par for the course in your country. But if you want to really be mad at somebody for this... blame Marvel Comics Inc, speak with your wallet, and stop buying all their books

Instead, retort back to me about what a big *****e I am, JQ is a stupid <fill in the blank>, and then you'll carry on with your ignorance.

What a blissful life you must live...

Okay, skipping past your immature fashion of a rebuttal, what do you think about all this? And if I'm not mistaken, you're a long time Spidey reader, right? Prior to Peter being married?

 

[JewishHobbit]

If it ws good writing it would have been Peter letting Aunt May die and facing it since Spider-man has always been about Peter dealing with hard life changing events(even if he has dealt with her dying before) and then chiocing to let MJ go or forcing her to leave him so she was not a criminal her whole life. Yet of course Marvel wanted light hearted and fun a sacrificed what could have been a good story and shown growth in the character to rewrite stories from the 1970s.

See, this would have been perfectly fine. Having Peter dealing with life, perhaps re****ing in MJ's leaving, would have been great, and perfectly in character. I would probably have enjoyed it quite a bit. I'd hate that they were divorced, but I'd be able to live with it and get used to the idea.

 

[Doomed_hero]

well then in the future ya could have had a great story where Peter earns acceptance and him and MJ are reunited rather then all this deal with the devil bull that was out of character for Peter. I will admit the new comics can be well written, however every time i open them I feel like I am back in the 1970s, I want growth not reliving the "good old days" its like what Dread said abot Cap, the character at some point has to grow.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

"Divorced 20-somethings are even less relatable than married 20-somethings."
- The Book of Quesada, 3:14

 

[Alastor]

The whole "deal with Mephisto" is dumb, but thats comics. Should they have went in a different direction? Probably, but WHY the LOVE for this couple? I just can't process this, and I fail to see how this ONE thing can cause someone to stop liking comics, to stop buying the book in some sort of half-assed "protest". Just like these Tea Party people, this "protest" is really silly, and ultimately wont accomplish anything. Amazing has been great since BND, great artists and writers, ones who I would have never imagined on Spidey and others like Marcos Martin that I have just discovered. Get over it and stop *****ing.

 

[iloveclones]

^ Tea-baggers! Out Tea-bagging!!

 

[JewishHobbit]

The whole "deal with Mephisto" is dumb, but thats comics. Should they have went in a different direction? Probably, but WHY the LOVE for this couple? I just can't process this, and I fail to see how this ONE thing can cause someone to stop liking comics, to stop buying the book in some sort of half-assed "protest". Just like these Tea Party people, this "protest" is really silly, and ultimately wont accomplish anything. Amazing has been great since BND, great artists and writers, ones who I would have never imagined on Spidey and others like Marcos Martin that I have just discovered. Get over it and stop *****ing.

For me, MJ is ever bit a part of Peter Parker/Spider-Man as his spidey sense or web slinging. However, if they had done their separation with any thought at all and made it relatable or in character, I wouldn't have liked it, but I'd have learned to cope and got over it. How this one thing has killed my trust in Marvel specifically is that Joe Q, or even to deeper aspects Marvel themselves, chose to ignore everything a character stands for, everything that makes a character who he is, to acheive some personal deal, despite the fact that the majority of their readers came in after MJ and Peter were married. They didn't care about those readers, only themselves and the older readers who seem to be in the minority. They don't care about developing a character or making them more relatable, they want the 'good old days back' it seems. And if Marvel as a company really cares that little for it's readers and characters the how in the world am I going to trust them to do right by the rest of the characters I've grown to love? Are they just going to go and turn Reed Richards into a man ****e, sleeping with the town because it'll create 'good stories'? Are they going to have Jean return and begin sleeping with Xavier to spite Cyclops? How about having Captain America turn on everyone and go Nazi? Honeslty, if it results in what they think is a good story, I can now see them doing all this crap because they were willing to break the mold of what Spider-man really stood for and made him a great character.

Now you, you come accross as the type of guy who enjoys a good story moreso than gets emotionally involved with a character and their history, and that's fine, but for me, that character and history were crapped all over, and thus, the readers who supported them. It was an obvious sign for me that Marvel doesn't care about readers, only dollars, and really, then why should I care about them.

And to note, I don't drop titles to make a statement, it's pointless. What I drop isn't going to hurt their account. I drop because I just don't care about the comic anymore or because I can't afford it. In Marvel's case I went from loving the the whole line to not caring about half of it, and I've noticed it began with OMD.

 

[yenaled]

What?

Dan Slott is Masterbating Spider-Man?

 

[JewishHobbit]

What?

Dan Slott is Masterbating Spider-Man?

A lot of people are Masterbating Spider-Man. But do note that I acknowledge my thinking of Don Slott being wrong in this is wrong on my part, but the feelings are still there.

 

[yenaled]

*********ing just seems like an odd word to use there, that's all.

I know what you're getting at though.

 

[JewishHobbit]

"Divorced 20-somethings are even less relatable than married 20-somethings."
- The Book of Quesada, 3:14

I never understood how married 20-somethings were unrelatable. I have a lot of friends, all in their early to late 20's. I can think of 15 married 20-something couples that I know. I can think of 3 single 20-somethings that I know. Obviously, not everyone in their 20's are married, but not everyone are single either.

And with the rate of young divorces doing a young divorced deal with a major character seems like it'd be a good idea to be honest.

 

[Obi-Ron]

If Superman can have a bastard son, Spider-Man getting a divorce is nothing.

Madrox, trapped in the 1930's winds up accidentally becoming his own grandfather.

He did the nasty in the past-y!?!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Superman doesn't have a bastard son. He has an adopted son.