Bought/Thought - February 25th, 2009 - Spoilers!

I think Slott is trying to appeal to fans who like adventure, would rather not abandon characterization for a spectacle, would rather have their Avengers nor fight ninjas, or devote 44 pages of material to maybe two scenes, both of which are usually mundane.

Well he's failing miserably if that's the case.Slott's only wowed me with this I'm With Stupid and Thing books.

The first 2 issues,which I read and did not buy and have no shame in admitting so,were a let down.Who the hell was the guy on the last page of #21 and why should we be concerned?

Plus,Slott's dialog was just plain awful in some parts.Yeesh.

Pham's art isn't really helping either.
 
^ Oh, give me a break. I've been reading Avengers since around #150, I think that qualifies me as an old fan. Say what you want about Bendis, there are now 4 Avengers titles that people are actually arguing over which is better. And one of them has been consistently in the top 5 (and many times #1) for the past, what, four or five years. I dare you to show me another recent title with that kind of a track record. If his job was to rejuvenate the Avengers franchise, well, George W. may judge me, but: Mission Accomplished.

1)Sure when u make New Avengers ground zero for every major event in the Marvel Universe...no period of Marvel has that been true for.
2)He also changed the classic feel of the book and made it something Avengers isnt
 
Well he's failing miserably if that's the case.Slott's only wowed me with this I'm With Stupid and Thing books.

The first 2 issues,which I read and did not buy and have no shame in admitting so,were a let down.Who the hell was the guy on the last page of #21 and why should we be concerned?

Plus,Slott's dialog was just plain awful in some parts.Yeesh.

Pham's art isn't really helping either.
I agree. I have really, really liked the latest issues of NA and the first two issues of DA have been EXCELLENT, art and writing both.

Slott's Avengers... not so much.
 
Again, i feel like Slott's Mighty Avengers could kick so much more ass and i dont mean by copying Bendis' style. I just think the series needs a better artist that packs more of a punch in the panels like Deodato is doing over at DA. Pham's art just seems a little...plain, there's no flair to it, and a book with a bunch of powerhouses like hercules, hulk and ironman should have that "badass" look. And slott just needs to tone down the cheesy 80's dialogue and narration boxes.
 
I do concede that Bendis has revived the Avengers franchise and helped bring it to what it is now, which is bigger than either the X-Men or Spider-Man. Then again, with that much invested new blood talent, hype, and editorial support, imagine how terrific the Avengers would be if even half of Bendis' events or stories had been GOOD, or written by someone who actually LIKED SUPERHERO TEAMS, rather than feeling the need to "answer" for them.

Just because a fire created fertile ground for acres of new growth doesn't mean one has to enjoy fire.

It's the idiots who read comics they don't like who piss me off. I don't mean when the comic is having a rough couple of issues, but it's usually good. I mean when the comic is just bad, the reader admits it's bad, but they continue to read it because they're a completist or it's a force of habit or they somehow think reading that particular bad comic will somehow enhance their enjoyment of other good comics.

Somehow this reminds me of when I was buying NEW AVENGERS and ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN/X-MEN. :p

I have been trying to break that sort of habit of mine within the past 6 months or so.

Well he's failing miserably if that's the case.Slott's only wowed me with this I'm With Stupid and Thing books.

The first 2 issues,which I read and did not buy and have no shame in admitting so,were a let down.Who the hell was the guy on the last page of #21 and why should we be concerned?

Plus,Slott's dialog was just plain awful in some parts.Yeesh.

Pham's art isn't really helping either.

Fair enough. While sometimes Slott isn't the same with more straight-forward superhero work, especially some dark ones like AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, I still think he tells those stories well. He acknowledges character and continuity, and has characters develop, and so long as he does that, I can overlook some hiccups with the spectacle itself.

Perhaps he does presume more intimate Avengers knowledge than the casual reader is used to. Bendis has an approach of, "Don't know about the past? Neither do I! I'll even make a joke about how silly it was!" and it is easy to relate to that kind of writing sometimes.

I don't mind some of the dialogue. It may seem "old", but it ages better than Mark Millar's pop culture tripe from THE ULTIMATES, which barely a decade later seems HORRIBLY dated. This is Slott's second issue on the MA title; I remember when people were excusing 12 issues of Bendis hiccups as "give it time". Hopefully he will ease into the characters more.

Different strokes, I guess.

Again, i feel like Slott's Mighty Avengers could kick so much more ass and i dont mean by copying Bendis' style. I just think the series needs a better artist that packs more of a punch in the panels like Deodato is doing over at DA. Pham's art just seems a little...plain, there's no flair to it, and a book with a bunch of powerhouses like hercules, hulk and ironman should have that "badass" look. And slott just needs to tone down the cheesy 80's dialogue and narration boxes.

I don't mind Pham's artwork, although I admit he is hardly my favorite artist.

I prefer cheesy 80's dialogue to endless pages of 1-3 word lines that just repeat what the last speaker said for half of them. The way Bendis makes people talk, you'd think every superhero was heart of hearing.

"That's Loki!"
"What?"
"Loki!"
"Loki?"
"What!"

:o
 
I've learned to accept people who have a different taste in comics than myself. If you think Hulk is the greatest thing since sliced bread, then go ahead and read it.

It's the idiots who read comics they don't like who piss me off. I don't mean when the comic is having a rough couple of issues, but it's usually good. I mean when the comic is just bad, the reader admits it's bad, but they continue to read it because they're a completist or it's a force of habit or they somehow think reading that particular bad comic will somehow enhance their enjoyment of other good comics.

If you're buying Loeb's Hulk and you don't even like it, then stop wasting your money.

Wow...thanks for calling me an idiot. Yep, I'm a competist! I buy everything Marvel puts out, and even if I consider it bad, I'll still pick it up. If I was on a budget, I wouldn't; but, I can afford it, and I enjoy my comic fix, whether it's good or bad. (And, while many may consider Hulk bad, it's nothing compared to New Exiles!)

I'll piss ya off even more...I buy EVERY cover of Hulk, and sometimes there are three of them.
 
Just as long as you pick up the good books too. :cwink:
 
Orignally posted by Dread

I don't mind Pham's artwork, although I admit he is hardly my favorite artist.

I prefer cheesy 80's dialogue to endless pages of 1-3 word lines that just repeat what the last speaker said for half of them. The way Bendis makes people talk, you'd think every superhero was heart of hearing.

"That's Loki!"
"What?"
"Loki!"
"Loki?"
"What!"


HAHAHa, ok i cant lie, Bendis really does write like that sometimes and it is flat out annoying. But when the guy is in his element (daredevil, powers, alias) he really churns out some amazing dialogue IMO. Teams just arent his forte.
 
Wow...thanks for calling me an idiot. Yep, I'm a competist! I buy everything Marvel puts out, and even if I consider it bad, I'll still pick it up. If I was on a budget, I wouldn't; but, I can afford it, and I enjoy my comic fix, whether it's good or bad. (And, while many may consider Hulk bad, it's nothing compared to New Exiles!)

I'll piss ya off even more...I buy EVERY cover of Hulk, and sometimes there are three of them.
Is it like some sort of S&M thing, where you get pleasure from painful things? Because that's the only way I could conceive someone repeatedly buying something --of their own free will-- that they don't really like and don't at all need.
 
HAHAHa, ok i cant lie, Bendis really does write like that sometimes and it is flat out annoying. But when the guy is in his element (daredevil, powers, alias) he really churns out some amazing dialogue IMO. Teams just arent his forte.

Yeah, team books are not his strong suit. It is telling when most of his better NA and MA issues usually focused on one character exclusively.
 
Is it like some sort of S&M thing, where you get pleasure from painful things? Because that's the only way I could conceive someone repeatedly buying something --of their own free will-- that they don't really like and don't at all need.

Well, that's why they call it addiction. Guess it's better than drinking and smoking....at least I have something to show for it at the end of the day.
 
But at the end of the day, are those Hulk variant covers really something to be proud of? I mean, really?
 
Yeah, I think it's a pile of poo myself. But I sure as hell don't begrudge people's enjoyment of it.

And if Loeb carries Rulk for 5 years of sales like that, it's not just a fad or a flash in the pan. I'll give him his due. Believe it or not they are trying to SELL comics. It's not some SOHO starving artist project.

I'm not disagreeing that money is the name of the game it just sucks is all that people favor drivel with pretty packaging to something that's actually thoughtout and good.

Arrested Development get's cancelled and American Idol continues to be a huge hit. I only begrudge people's enjoyment of crap because it begets more crap and makes ideas that are clever harder to sell.
 
The thing with Bendis' writing is that it's almost like he's trying to add casual elements to the story. You know, like how normal people would talk. I guess he assumes or he practices in real life dialog like that with others. Every now and then it's good, like Spideys thing about Mac Gargan being Venom on the Dark Avengers. But for every good little spat you get, you'll have 20 of the "VILLAIN is coming??" "Oh no not VILLAIN" "VILLAIN you say?" "Yes, VILLAIN is coming" "Guess we need to take VILLAIN down" "Yes lets go take VILLAIN down" exchanges. Which no one likes to read.

And now it doesn't even seem like VILLAIN is a word.
 
Well, that's why they call it addiction. Guess it's better than drinking and smoking....at least I have something to show for it at the end of the day.
It's not better than smoking weed. :up:
 
Smoking weed is the worst habit I have. Not only do I spend ~200$ a day on it (well, I buy in QP/HP/Pounds depending on quality), but ever since I started smoking heavy ( I have a bowl you can easily put a 1/8th in if it's ground down, which it is because I bought a 90$ grinder ) I never feel like doing anything and end up just sitting around the house all day.

Granted, My day starts off with 3 - 4 gb's, a shower and 3 -4 hits of hash, so that probably has something to do with it but still.
 
Smoking weed is the worst habit I have. Not only do I spend ~200$ a day on it (well, I buy in QP/HP/Pounds depending on quality), but ever since I started smoking heavy ( I have a bowl you can easily put a 1/8th in if it's ground down, which it is because I bought a 90$ grinder ) I never feel like doing anything and end up just sitting around the house all day.

Granted, My day starts off with 3 - 4 gb's, a shower and 3 -4 hits of hash, so that probably has something to do with it but still.

Holy naked jesus on roller skates, batman, are you actually telling me you smoke more weed than I do? And I thought I had that title on these boards. We sir, must meet and cross gravity bongs for supremecy of the universe.
 
The thing with Bendis' writing is that it's almost like he's trying to add casual elements to the story. You know, like how normal people would talk. I guess he assumes or he practices in real life dialog like that with others. Every now and then it's good, like Spideys thing about Mac Gargan being Venom on the Dark Avengers. But for every good little spat you get, you'll have 20 of the "VILLAIN is coming??" "Oh no not VILLAIN" "VILLAIN you say?" "Yes, VILLAIN is coming" "Guess we need to take VILLAIN down" "Yes lets go take VILLAIN down" exchanges. Which no one likes to read.

And now it doesn't even seem like VILLAIN is a word.
When I think of those Bendisisms, I think of Family Guy's parody of Seinfeld.

"She's a tickler, and I am not a stickler for a tickler."
"Not a stickler for a tickler?"
"Not a tickler stickler."
"Tickler stickler?"
"Stickler"
"Tickler"
"Stickler"
"Tickler"
 
That's probably true. Maybe Mighty just needed to borrow Spider-Man and Wolverine for that extra Bendisvengery cash grab, since so many people seem to be complaining that the cast is the problem. How that could be with great characters like Herc and Pym on there, I don't know, but I don't know why people like the Bendisvengers, either. Popularity is apparently a riddle I can never solve. :csad:

Oh, and my list goes a little something like this:

1. Mighty
2. Initiative

I don't read the other two. :)

Right now, I think MA #21 and #22 are leagues above NA#49 & 50 as well as DA #1 & 2, but I do admit Slot could have probably done without Stature and Vision. Jocasta and Pym pretty much make them obsolete. He could have easily added two other youthful mainstream characters to appeal to a wider audience.
Personally, I don't care myself though. My only gripe is the flow of the comic. The dialogue is great. The art is good, but at the same time the artist didn't flow the scenes well to me. I felt like certain bits of dialogue were crammed too much into one panel, and certain bits of dialogue can't go into one box because the sperate text warrants seperate reactions.
 

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