Darthphere
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A girl has to be a 7 but a guy has to be a 10. Or a 9 but really cool. Like David Boreanaz.![]()
David Boreanus?
A girl has to be a 7 but a guy has to be a 10. Or a 9 but really cool. Like David Boreanaz.![]()
Kind of disappointed in Darthphere.Right in one.
Kind of disappointed in Darthphere.
Aurora BorealisDavid Boreanus?
Well, I'll admit I'm not a heavy Seinfeld watcher myself. I have a friend who seems to have committed the entire series to memory.Kind of disappointed in Darthphere.
So they "sold out" by having Nova deal with the issues of having the situation on earth change COMPLETELY since he's last been there? That's not something that the writers can just simply leave alone. And it's not like he can come back and deal with this without having to deal with the Initiative BS.
Well, I'll admit I'm not a heavy Seinfeld watcher myself. I have a friend who seems to have committed the entire series to memory.
It's kind of hard to watch Seinfeld without thinking of Michael Richard's rant nowadays. Kramer just isn't that funny anymore.
After reading the exceptional Annihilation, this did feel like a "sell out" to me, and I would guess those who read Annihilation would feel cheated. In comparison to the Nova we all read from that miniseries, this is too reminiscent of Nova-past. Plus, Nova didn't deal with the changes on Earth at all. He observed, got in a fight with his parents, and ran away without standing for any cause. Obviously, he doesn't subscribe to Tony's beliefs...but, imagine if you are on the other side, being persecuted by the U.S.'s new law. He could have made a difference, but he took his ball and went home. He wussed out. In the end, this was just a "we gotta waste time inbetween Annihilation sagas, so let's get some interest by tying in with another event."
I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as a very organic story, and one that's kind of classic. While the soldier's been off fighting to preserve life as he knew it, he comes home to find that life isn't at all as he knew it anymore. At least out in space, things are simpler. There are allies and there are enemies. The two don't generally mix. He's not forced to deal with the fact that one of his best friends has been so brainwashed that he's now a mouthpiece for something Nova knows he would never have believed in before. He's not forced to justify to his parents that he even is their son. People accept him and even admire him in space, and he can do a lot more good on his own terms out there. Compare that to the stifling realities of what the superhero game has become on Earth and all the pressures he found himself under from friends, family, the government, and Iron Man, and it's no surprise that he decided to ditch it all and just focus on what he knows he can make a difference in.After reading the exceptional Annihilation, this did feel like a "sell out" to me, and I would guess those who read Annihilation would feel cheated. In comparison to the Nova we all read from that miniseries, this is too reminiscent of Nova-past. Plus, Nova didn't deal with the changes on Earth at all. He observed, got in a fight with his parents, and ran away without standing for any cause. Obviously, he doesn't subscribe to Tony's beliefs...but, imagine if you are on the other side, being persecuted by the U.S.'s new law. He could have made a difference, but he took his ball and went home. He wussed out. In the end, this was just a "we gotta waste time inbetween Annihilation sagas, so let's get some interest by tying in with another event."
But you just said your average is 7 or 8 of 10. So what you're really saying is you'd only date 9s and up. Conceited much?![]()
Why? I mean, he's playing a character. It's like all those people who can't watch Tom Cruise movies anymore because he's a psycho, so what?![]()
After reading the exceptional Annihilation, this did feel like a "sell out" to me, and I would guess those who read Annihilation would feel cheated. In comparison to the Nova we all read from that miniseries, this is too reminiscent of Nova-past. Plus, Nova didn't deal with the changes on Earth at all. He observed, got in a fight with his parents, and ran away without standing for any cause. Obviously, he doesn't subscribe to Tony's beliefs...but, imagine if you are on the other side, being persecuted by the U.S.'s new law. He could have made a difference, but he took his ball and went home. He wussed out. In the end, this was just a "we gotta waste time inbetween Annihilation sagas, so let's get some interest by tying in with another event."
I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as a very organic story, and one that's kind of classic. While the soldier's been off fighting to preserve life as he knew it, he comes home to find that life isn't at all as he knew it anymore. At least out in space, things are simpler. There are allies and there are enemies. The two don't generally mix. He's not forced to deal with the fact that one of his best friends has been so brainwashed that he's now a mouthpiece for something Nova knows he would never have believed in before. He's not forced to justify to his parents that he even is their son. People accept him and even admire him in space, and he can do a lot more good on his own terms out there. Compare that to the stifling realities of what the superhero game has become on Earth and all the pressures he found himself under from friends, family, the government, and Iron Man, and it's no surprise that he decided to ditch it all and just focus on what he knows he can make a difference in.
If Nova stayed and helped the pro-SHRA (or joined The Initiative with Justice), then he couldn't be in space for CONQUEST.
I saw it as actually being that rare shot of having your cake and eating it. Sales wise, a 2 issue tie-in with INITIATIVE was understandable. Story wise, the fans, at least in every Nova topic I went to, wanted Nova to stop by Earth and react to stuff for almost a year now. I don't think most of them wanted him to STAY there, at least as soon as ANNIHILATION announced a sequel, which was solicted at least quickly after NOVA #1 shipped.
Fans wanted him to talk to Emoball, he did. They wanted Nova to react to CW and mention to Iron Man the perspective he got from the spar war, he did. Virtually everyone enjoys watching the Thunderbolts get jolly stomped and they did (the fight ended in a draw, but c'mon, Nova was barely breaking a sweat and didn't want to endanger civilians; had Stark not interupted the T-Bolts would have gotten "a beatdown - like lightening!"). Finally he chose to go back to space where he understands the rules better and where he can make more of a difference to more lives. His parents moved on and changed, the public, the cops, even who is considered a hero.
I'm just trying to understand your expectations here. I saw this 2-parter as giving fans what they wanted. No, it didn't do anything that wasn't expected, but that was because Nova stayed in character. Nova has bigger things to do, like protect galaxies and rebuild the Corps, than collect troops for a CW II. He just wanted a taste of home after landing there by (admittedly) contrived coincidence, and didn't like it. If anything it was a silent criticism of the CW that I am sure many ANNIHILATION fans could relate to, how nuts it all seems.
I've seen far more contrived and useless Initiative tie-ins that weren't giving fans what they asked for and stretched far more. GHOST RIDER's was virtually useless; Satan animates Jack O'Lantern's corpse and that's it. MOON KNIGHT's tie-ins have done nothing but take a reasonable story and stretch it 1-2 issues longer than it has to be. PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL is more in reaction to CA #25 than Initiative at this point. In an age where many times the notion of trying to give the fans what they want is seen as "generic", I was pleased with the last 2 issues of Nova. Different strokes I guess.
As someone who absolutely loved Annihilation, it didn't feel like a "selling out" to me. And I wouldn't say he wussed out at all, he just feels that a lot of the stuff going on on Earth is trivial and doesn't matter in comparison to some of the things he's been having to deal with in outer space, and he believes there are things that still need to be done out there.
I get your point. For me, he didn't spend much time on Earth, really got the cliff-notes version of everything that's happening, and in no way really learned about what was happening deep down. Like I said, we've seen it before, and it covered all those points:
1) Unregistered fights registered.
2) Tony Stark shows up, acting like a buddy, trying to convince unregistered to sign up.
3) (With parents) learns that the public does not like unregistered people.
I sincerly believe that many of us could have written this issue. (I think one of the problems that happens with writing these reviews week after week is that we become more critical of these comics. I find it harder to dish out as many 8/10's as I originally did a year ago.)
I'm just trying to understand your expectations here. I saw this 2-parter as giving fans what they wanted. No, it didn't do anything that wasn't expected, but that was because Nova stayed in character. Nova has bigger things to do, like protect galaxies and rebuild the Corps, than collect troops for a CW II. He just wanted a taste of home after landing there by (admittedly) contrived coincidence, and didn't like it. If anything it was a silent criticism of the CW that I am sure many ANNIHILATION fans could relate to, how nuts it all seems.
I've seen far more contrived and useless Initiative tie-ins that weren't giving fans what they asked for and stretched far more. GHOST RIDER's was virtually useless; Satan animates Jack O'Lantern's corpse and that's it. MOON KNIGHT's tie-ins have done nothing but take a reasonable story and stretch it 1-2 issues longer than it has to be. PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL is more in reaction to CA #25 than Initiative at this point. In an age where many times the notion of trying to give the fans what they want is seen as "generic", I was pleased with the last 2 issues of Nova. Different strokes I guess.
Yes, and those tie-ins were more ridiculous, I agree. But, the simple fact is I cannot imagine anyone being blown away by what happened in this issue. And, it still doesn't shy away from the fact that I thought I gave it a decent rating, anyway. Plus, just because the fans wanted this doesn't mean I did. I was excited to have Nova dealing with his space adventures and the aftermath of Annihilation.
Maybe the issue needed a twist like, "Penance is a Skrull!"
If a decent rating is a 4/10, what the hell is a bad rating?
Hence why I never do ratings. Too much confusion. I already type enough, may as well try to say whether I liked or disliked a book. That's all it comes down to, really.