BOUGHT/THOUGHT for June 13, 2007

[Anubis]

Wolverine25th has bad taste.

 

[Dread]

For me, I'm just a ratings kind of guy. I love to see reviews of movies, books, and film, whether it's "thumbs up or down", a star review, a letter grade, or a number ranking. (Or, for Darth, a "fully erect," "slightly limp," or "fully limp.") Many times, I look at the grade before I read the review.

Case in point, I love to go through Wolverine25th's reviews of books I read and reviewed, notice the difference in opinion, then find out why. He liked Avengers Classic and I really didn't. With reading the reviews, I learn that he looked at this book from a different perspective. He focused on that classic first issue, while I focused on that Marvel has already given me this first issue numerous times over.

See, my reviews are so long that if I posted numbers, no one would read the rest.

Besides, look at all the trouble some people get into because they give some book a 7.1/10 out of 6.89/10 or something. The only math I like in comics involve power levels.

 

[PhotoJones]

So, no one else picked up Sub-Mariner #1 besides Phaedrus45 and myself?

 

[Dread]

So, no one else picked up Sub-Mariner #1 besides Phaedrus45 and myself?

I realized I didn't care enough about Namor to buy it. I can't speak for others, though.

The problem, though, is if Namor does lead some sort of invasion, they can't call it ATLANTIS ATTACKS because they used that already.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I get the impression some don't like the civil war? I thought it was a great storyline...

It definitely wasn't thought out as well as the potential could have had it.

After reading the exceptional Annihilation, this did feel like a "sell out" to me, and I would guess those who read Annihilation would feel cheated. In comparison to the Nova we all read from that miniseries, this is too reminiscent of Nova-past. Plus, Nova didn't deal with the changes on Earth at all. He observed, got in a fight with his parents, and ran away without standing for any cause. Obviously, he doesn't subscribe to Tony's beliefs...but, imagine if you are on the other side, being persecuted by the U.S.'s new law. He could have made a difference, but he took his ball and went home. He wussed out. In the end, this was just a "we gotta waste time inbetween Annihilation sagas, so let's get some interest by tying in with another event."

I take you've never been in a real position of influence or power before?

So, no one else picked up Sub-Mariner #1 besides Phaedrus45 and myself?

I picked it up, but I only gave it forty thousand bananas out of eighteen elephants, so I didn't feel like writing a review.

 

[PhotoJones]

I realized I didn't care enough about Namor to buy it. I can't speak for others, though.

The problem, though, is if Namor does lead some sort of invasion, they can't call it ATLANTIS ATTACKS because they used that already.

I thought it was a great start. I just can't get over how good Briones' artwork has gotten since the horrendous White Tiger. I actually reread the issue today, which is something I rarely do. Hopefully (fingers crossed) this does well and gets turned into an ongoing.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Bah, a Namor ongoing would suck without the Hulk living with him.

 

[PhotoJones]

Bah, a Namor ongoing would suck without the Hulk living with him.

Pfft. What do you know?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nearly everything. I WOULD say everything, but that'd be concieted.

 

[PhotoJones]

Nearly everything. I WOULD say everything, but that'd be concieted.

Well, you clearly know nothing of what makes a good Namor ongoing.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Mainly because there cannot be a good Namor ongoing.

Namor is an arrogant prick. Shouts Imperious Rex. Smashes the problem. Occasionally teams up with other people. Smashes some more. Does an Atlantean Kingdom conspiracy story. Shouts Imperious Rex.

He works best as a mini, or supporting character. The only awesome part about him having an ongoing would be laying out more of Atlantis' history to set up for the occasional awesome thing that would happen.

But then again, Hulk's not TOO much different. But like I said, nearly everything. Not everything.

 

[PhotoJones]

Mainly because there cannot be a good Namor ongoing.

Namor is an arrogant prick. Shouts Imperious Rex. Smashes the problem. Occasionally teams up with other people. Smashes some more. Does an Atlantean Kingdom conspiracy story. Shouts Imperious Rex.

He works best as a mini, or supporting character. The only awesome part about him having an ongoing would be laying out more of Atlantis' history to set up for the occasional awesome thing that would happen.

But then again, Hulk's not TOO much different. But like I said, nearly everything. Not everything.

You could say the same thing about every Marvel character with an ongoing.

Wolverine is a badass. Says "Bub". Slices the problem. Occasionally teams up with other people. Slices some more. Does a Weapon X conspiracy story. Says "Bub".

Again, you know nothing of Namor ongoings and what makes them work or fail.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hardly. Wolverine is an actual evolving growing character that tends to be something of a traveller. (God, I'm defending Wolverine.)

Namor is a person who likes to sit on his throne until something pisses him off.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I take you've never been in a real position of influence or power before?

I always find it really foolish of people who make personal statements about others without really know them. I could list you numerous times I've been "in a real position of influence or power before;" but, the ridiculousness of this statement really doesn't deserve it. I'm making statements about a comic that didn't meet MY personal preference, giving reasons for why that is when people ask, and find that you are trying to say something about my character, of which you know nothing about.

 

[PhotoJones]

Hardly. Wolverine is an actual evolving growing character that tends to be something of a traveller. (God, I'm defending Wolverine.)

Namor is a person who likes to sit on his throne until something pisses him off.

Namor is an Atlantean who pretends to not give a **** about anything above water, when in reality he's got a pretty big heart. He's also extremely loyal to a very select few. And he has power issues that he chooses to ignore and he's definitely an elitist.

I'd say he's one of Marvel's more complex characters.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I always find it really foolish of people who make personal statements about others without really know them. I could list you numerous times I've been "in a real position of influence or power before;" but, the ridiculousness of this statement really doesn't deserve it. I'm making statements about a comic that didn't meet MY personal preference, giving reasons for why that is when people ask, and find that you are trying to say something about my character, of which you know nothing about.

Oh, I'm just saying that by how so far off the mark that saying Nova "wussed out" with all that power, that you probably have never been given much to do with that by your single decision, you can change pretty much everything.

Because personal preferences are pretty much almost always made up by personal experience.

'Tis a fact.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Namor is an Atlantean who pretends to not give a **** about anything above water, when in reality he's got a pretty big heart. He's also extremely loyal to a very select few. And he has power issues that he chooses to ignore and he's definitely an elitist.

I'd say he's one of Marvel's more complex characters.

Agreed. Complex is awesome. But what I'm saying is that's how he'll be portrayed for the most part.

Look at the Sentry.

 

[PhotoJones]

Agreed. Complex is awesome. But what I'm saying is that's how he'll be portrayed for the most part.

Look at the Sentry.

The Sentry's a bad comparison because he's so new and open to a writer's interpretation. Namor's character and personality are pretty much grounded fact at this point. He'll be portrayed as he's always portrayed.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Oh, I'm just saying that by how so far off the mark that saying Nova "wussed out" with all that power, that you probably have never been given much to do with that by your single decision, you can change pretty much everything.

Because personal preferences are pretty much almost always made up by personal experience.

'Tis a fact.

Wrong. You made a personal statement about my viewpoint in regards to this comic. Now, there are many personal feelings that would come from this comic, as like if it was so important for Nova to visit Earth, how could he leave friends who are so obviously hurting and in need? Obviously, Richard could see Speedball was still hurting from the events of Stamford. On a personal level, I would have trouble with someone who decided to turn his back on family and friends because he didn't want to deal with it.

In the end, as I pointed out, you know very little about me; yet, you chose to make a personal statement. I never mind defending my views on a comic; but, when someone goes beyond a discussion and lashes out personally, I find it rude and uncalled for. It's something I try very hard not to do. (But, maybe that comes from my being "in a real position of influence or power before," where you must make sure criticism of other people don't take on a personal nature.)

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

People need to read the BOUGHT parts as well as the THOUGHT, else you'd've seen I DID pick up Namor. However, I ran out of time last night before I could do my review of it. It was good, I liked it. Good start to the mini.

I also agree Namor doesn't have the stayin' power fer an ongoing. He's better in an ensamble or supporting role. I get people love the character, but the fact remains characters have limitations. Some are meant fer small doses, others to be stars.

An' gonna hafta disagree with ya here, MG. Wolverine WAS an evolving character, however for the past few years he's become what Jones said he was. Writers focus on all the "cool" points, ignorin' what made Wolvie so damn cool durin' the Claremont/Hama eras.

And as fer Nova, frankly, he was in no position to be of any help to anyone. Everyone on Earth has pretty much resolved themselves to the new status quo with a whimper. Nova doesn't possess all his faculties right now. He's been in a war, he's got some of the psychological conditions that result from active combat most assuredly. He's also got new powers an' sharin' his body. He can't even help himself, so it was played off just fine. Sometimes, people can only help themselves. If they don't want the help, nuttin' ya do will ever change anythin'. This comes from YEARS of experience tryin' to save everyone from themselves. If they don't want it, it's useless.

Oh, and Anubis, I'll be sure to tell Devil's Due and Ape-Entertainment to stop sendin' me advances of their books to review, seein' as how my bad taste just can't do them justice.

 

[Nasty-B]

I picked up Sub-Mariner. I enjoyed it. Not sure if I care enough to pick up the next issue, but this is definately the most interesting he's been in years. I like this take a lot better than Byrne's corporate mogul approach back in the early 90's. Still, no one has answered my question about how they speak, walk and do other landlike things underwater. It really bugs me.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

It's part of their physiology. It's bein' represented in a way that we understand it, but just gotta imagine how you think a fish would communicate under water an' there it is. Would also help if, like back in the 90s, they did bubble effects fer the word balloons to show the difference between land/sea communication.

 

[Nasty-B]

So how was he able to talk to Stark on the "phone?"

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Universal translators. Everyone's got one.

 

[Nasty-B]

I guess I can accept that. Living underwater seems kinda ******ed though. You have to bolt all the furniture down. Everybody's peeing in the pool. Plus, there's no way to smoke weed or cigarettes underwater.