BOUGHT/THOUGHT June 6, 2007

Yes, my reviews are so long, in 3 parts. That 20,000 limits always kills me! :o

NEW WARRIORS #1: This is the 4th stab at a NW franchise and the 3rd within about 8 years. This property has always been a "shoulda been" property, a franchise that should have been Marvel's answer to the Teen Titans yet never fell into place, either from being mangled in the conveluted nonsense of the mid 90's or chasing trends like their reality show blunder that pretty much gave Millar an excuse to ice a few of them. However, CW added some interest in the characters, as death and character assassination always do. Suddenly they are oppressed scapegoats of everything that is wrong with superheroes in the MU, despite the fact that Stamford was an exception and not a rule. Suddenly you could have Speedball show up in FRONTLINE and drive a story, or have Justice in a Top 10 selling book. Alas, Speedball had tons of potential in Frontline before Jenkins & the Marvel EIC just punked it to create some emo psycho Voldo clone. When Grevioux, whose name I never heard of, gave some interviews and teasers at Newsarama, the response was lukewarm and after a few successful launches, many expected this would be the one that sucked. Things got more positive when the preview pages came, if only because of Paco Medina's art; it's as solid here as it has been in MTU and NXM. Firstly, after covers that sometimes are generic or lame, I actually like this cover; it conveys the sense of the New Warriors existing as a resistance to the heavy-handed tactics of the SHRA and the current Marvel Government, evoking some Owellian images. The action gets off with a bang as Gray Gargoyle, apparently taking the place of Rhino, Wrecker, or Mr. Hyde as "jobber of the month" is on the run, shrunken and left for the cops by some rogue heroes; Wondra, War-Hawk (one panel gives it away) and a 3rd party, who is likely shown on the last page. The story then focuses heavily on some police officers who round up the leavings of rogue heroes like Spider-Man (is that Commanda from UNTOLD TALES webbed to a pole, or Anaconda?) and these "New Warriors", as well as Sophia, formerly the X-Cadet Wind Dancer who was depowered at M-Day, by miracle survived the death-rattle of the Kyle & Yost run on NXM, and emerges here as a waitress. The worst part of the issue were some of those scenes in the diner, which almost seem torn from some generic sitcom with some clunky lines, but after that it gets underway. There is some Matrix-shipping with her mystery text-messenger, but Sophia calls him on it so it works (and yes, text-lingo is stupid and makes everyone who types it look ******ed, but wat m i 2 complain?). Sophia meets some hunky guy in her diner, who turns out to be the depowered Beak. Beak was a creation of Morrison who I never cared for and has had some convoluted history, having maggot babies with a bug-Angel and rooming with the Exiles for a while. Apparently M-Day took away his deformed, useless powers and he's worked out; he seems obvious to be War-Hawk. Making Beak an effective hero may take away his appeal, but I never cared for Beak so I don't mind. The final page tells us what solicts have already told; Night-Thrasher is apparently back and re-assembling the New Warriors. Beak's awkward backhistory is mentioned and Grevoix may be in a pickle explaining Night-Thrasher. This could be someone new taking up the armor, or it is the genuine article, somehow alive. The second option seems both the simpliest and most complicated solution as Dwayne Taylor was the second most LEAST likely to have survived Stamford after Microbe (a Z-Lister who I am sure will stay as dead as Squidboy). I also am skeptical about being quick to revive the fallen of Stamford after all the stuff that has happened in reaction to it; Speedball worked because of his powers but quickly was squandered. Namor has already reacted heavily to Namorita. Only 4 heroes, 3 who were worth a damn seemingly died and reviving 2 in barely a year seems quick. But to be fair, issue #2 may have more answers (Grevoix would do well not to drag this mystery out) so I will wait for then before I declare it good or bad. The New Warriors being reborn as a resistance kid movement gives it more weight and I was wondering just how long Sophia was under watch (was Harry the Bum in on it? Was that black guy with him actually Dwayne himself?) and at least it wasn't one of those books where the big reveal is just something the cover made obvious (even if the solicts did). There is some mystery to the book and the feeling of it being reworked a bit and given purpose. War-Hawk is a ripoff JLU design and the NT resurrection may or may not work, but hey, the first issue worked and got me interested for more, which is what a first issue should do. Lord knows the last NW #1 didn't accomplish that 2 years ago. Marvel has cranked out a few effective relaunches over the past few years and hopefully this will continue to add to that.

OMEGA FLIGHT #3 I get the feeling that Oeming & Kolins are really having a ball with this random-collection-of-heroes team, which hasn't even assembled yet. Some might question what point it serves as we have a slew of books doing that after CW. To that I say, so? Fans LOVE constructing random teams of various characters they like; ANUBIS' HOW WOULD YOU DO IT THREAD and countless MAKE YOUR AVENGERS TEAM topics have cemented that. Why cuss out creators for doing what we fans ourselves do? The biggest problem with the book is that it is moving slowly. The Omega Flight are still only gathering one by one and Sasquatch has been in the same situation for 2 issues now, and the Wrecking Crew for 3. This issue finally gets around to Beta Ray Bill, who is apparently hosted inside a human dude after his last mini from Oeming (a move even fans of that series found obligatory at best), who is summoned to the same museum as the Wrecking Crew are by apparently the same beings who trashed his planet. The Wrecking Crew manage to jolly-stomp him, which is amazing considering how long they spent as the MU's punching bag. If anything, OF has made the Crew lethal and deadly again, like overcoming them is supposed to be a challenge, not a typical Monday, and that is how you make villains workable. Talisman, meanwhile, is less than thrilled at the Collective, who not only murdered her allies, but now is in Guardian's costume. She wants to kill him and the guilt-ridden Porter actually wants her to. U.S.Agent is still a jerk and Arachne has some fun rapport with her daughter. Apparently Collective needs the suit to contain his energies and not wonk out again; as Bendis wrote the one-shot that got Collective here I wonder how much say Oeming had on this choice, but obviously he is running with it. It defeats the schtick of a Canadian super-team made up of all Canadians, but that really hasn't worked for them since the 80's so one can't complain about changing tactics now, especially as the theme is Canada being a key U.S. ally that is now paying the price for the U.S.' CW (since Canada had a simular SHRA for ages and didn't split their heroes into factions with it). I expect another issue of middling and the team to finally assemble in #5, the final issue, which is pretty much par for the course these days. Still, Oeming gets the action and cares enough about the characters to have them make obvious statements and conclusions, and show not all are willing here. Still, I think THE LONERS offers more and deserves to become an ongoing over this, but OMEGA FLIGHT sells better so likely has more of a chance. It's just-another Marvel random team with all-too-common decompression, but at least it is efficient at what it does, and has solid art & action, and is actually amping UP some villains who were once about as useful as Bebop & Rocksteady about 3 years ago. It's not my favorite Marvel title this week, but it's solid reading for what I ask for; superheroics, continuity, accurate characterization, and a followable plot.

I also got the MYSTIC ARCANA HANDBOOK, which is pretty cool although a lot of the cooler characters were covered in prior volumes. What is great about a Handbook bio is you can usually see at what story a writer messed up, such as a resurrection without explanation or a severe twist in character. In this case, it came to poor Agatha Harkness, whose association to Scarlet Witch means she's become as up in the air as Wanda has. Bendis mangled her by association. Boo!
 
Exactly. For four months now, I and others have been raving about this series. It's so funny to me to read people's negative reviews for books that they buy every month, and yet I bet they've never even thumbed through this one. Fanboys are strange, dude. I understood women at 10 years of age better than I understand the average fanboy here and now.

It is rather simple; people hate to try new things. Most people are creatures of habit and we basically want to be told and experience things that do not question what we believe to be true, over and over, until we die. The fanboy community is a microcosm of the larger society at large, a society where any mega Hollywood generic blockbuster gets more fame and rep than any "indie" flick regardless of quality. Hell, the only reason, say, "Waitress" is getting rep is because the director was murdered. Try getting anyone to see an indie movie over PIRATES 3 and you are usually in for a hard time. Fanboys are not much different. It also comes into issues like "investing X amount of dollars into a title" or "maintaining a run/waiting out a bad writer/arc".

Because comic book reading is still marginalized, sometimes fans believe we are thus "different" enough from regular society that we avoid the flaws of the big ol' mainstream meanies who say comics are silly. We're not. Comic fans can be just as stubborn, petty, arrogant, ignorant, or small-minded as anyone else. We are still people and people are flawed. And I can say all this because I sometimes smell my own. ;)
 
It is rather simple; people hate to try new things. Most people are creatures of habit and we basically want to be told and experience things that do not question what we believe to be true, over and over, until we die. The fanboy community is a microcosm of the larger society at large, a society where any mega Hollywood generic blockbuster gets more fame and rep than any "indie" flick regardless of quality. Hell, the only reason, say, "Waitress" is getting rep is because the director was murdered. Try getting anyone to see an indie movie over PIRATES 3 and you are usually in for a hard time. Fanboys are not much different. It also comes into issues like "investing X amount of dollars into a title" or "maintaining a run/waiting out a bad writer/arc".

Because comic book reading is still marginalized, sometimes fans believe we are thus "different" enough from regular society that we avoid the flaws of the big ol' mainstream meanies who say comics are silly. We're not. Comic fans can be just as stubborn, petty, arrogant, ignorant, or small-minded as anyone else. We are still people and people are flawed. And I can say all this because I sometimes smell my own. ;)

Yeah, it's just frustrating sometimes. I'd like to think that because we read comic books on a weekly basis, that we have more of an open mind about things, but it's just not true for some people. Every week in these threads a handful of people do their reviews and a good majority are nothing but Marvel or DC titles. I wonder "Is that really all *blank* likes?" It's just weird to me. For example, I like big, dumb summer movies, but I don't want that all the time, you know? Sometimes I want something with a little substance or creativity. Like, do you only listen to one type of music? Eat one type of food? Watch one type of TV show? Then why buy only one type of comic book? I dunno...it's a pointless argument since people are just going to buy and read what they like. It's just sad to see really great books produced by really great people shrivel and die because the average fanboy is an ignorant sheep with it's blinders on.
 
I remember when I gave a damn about stuff like that. Here's how it goes, originally, you read only one company, then you branch off into the other of the big two. Eventually, you start to delve into the indie and image stuff Then you start to see how crappy it is that good books sell like crap while crap books sell in the top ten. Me? I've been there. Done that. railed against how people are idiots for not reading some of this great stuff. I'm at a point where I just don't care anymore. I mean, I'll throw out a recommendation here and there when somebody asks, or when somebody doesn't ask, but I'm not gonna go out of my way anymore. Book gets canned? No problem, there's always another kickass indie out there nobody else is reading, and I can just move on to that one. Geez, I wonder if I sound as pretentious as you two back then. :p
 
BrianWilly said:
Avengers: Initiative #3
Not bad. Not bad at all, oddly. I liked the Spiders. I liked Komodo's little freakout and her later scenes. I really liked Trauma's little session with Moonstar, if only to show Dani being badass again, having gotten her groove back following her poor showing lately. Y'know, what with her being fired by Emma like a little btch in that horrible, horrible New X-Men book.

Everyone seems to be singing the praises of how Slott writes Spider-Man, but I'm more half-and-half about it. When Slott is on Spidey's game, he's really on Spidey's game. But there's a bit of an offness to some of his dialogue that I really can't describe. Perhaps it's because he's being written so...different...from his other incarnations in other books. What's the word I'm looking for? Could it "competent?" Spider-Man being written competently feels out of character to me now? Wowa. There's food for thought.

One thing, though, is that I'm not really sure I understand why all of a sudden SPIN is such a better and more practical method of detainment than inhibitor collars. I mean, sure, if it were just ordinary darts or something, but adamantium tipped? We just have all this adamantium lying about, now? If it's so much more expensive, why not just stick to the old inhibitor collars which -- as far as I can tell -- serve the exact same purpose for the purposes of law enforcement? Darts can be used offensively, but so can collars. The darts are permanent...except that they're apparently not, and there's no way that the resident eggheads don't know that. It seems to serve no purpose than to make these guys seem that much more hardcore or whatever. Which is understandable. It seems like it'll play more of an important role soon, so we'll see how it all works.

When War Machine says the SPIN darts will "neutrilize them for good", I took that to mean, "end the fight instantly" rather than "remove their powers foreverafter". Especially since removing superpowers permanently can be difficult. Peter Parker tried to remove his a few times and sometimes ended up with 6 arms. I can think of a half dozen "M-Day" victims who suddenly regained their powers for whatever reason (Iceman basically because he...uh...believed in himself enough).

Secondly, explain to me how a collar can be used in an offensive battle in a better way than a projectile that can be loaded into a gun. The SPIN darts I felt were simple and militarized. A collar either has to be thrown like a bola or attached manually. A dart can be fired at automatic speed. Of course, Spider-Man usually dances around automatic fire, but that's not the issue.

Thirdly, well, adamantium has become more widespread with in the past 10-15 years. I can think of a few villains who use adamantium bullets or projectiles, and they don't have the full budget of the U.S.A. Moon Knight used to have one, even (and doesn't use anymore apparently). Ultron always seems to find enough to remake his bodies. It's an alloy and it can always be remade. Marvel's gov't sinks millions/billions down the tubes on Sentinal robots and Clor's, I don't see why they wouldn't be making more adamantium. The SPIN darts are expensive and rare, though; a literal "million dollar shot" I imagine.

Yeah, it's just frustrating sometimes. I'd like to think that because we read comic books on a weekly basis, that we have more of an open mind about things, but it's just not true for some people. Every week in these threads a handful of people do their reviews and a good majority are nothing but Marvel or DC titles. I wonder "Is that really all *blank* likes?" It's just weird to me. For example, I like big, dumb summer movies, but I don't want that all the time, you know? Sometimes I want something with a little substance or creativity. Like, do you only listen to one type of music? Eat one type of food? Watch one type of TV show? Then why buy only one type of comic book? I dunno...it's a pointless argument since people are just going to buy and read what they like. It's just sad to see really great books produced by really great people shrivel and die because the average fanboy is an ignorant sheep with it's blinders on.

Most PEOPLE are ignorant sheep with blinders on.

What you also have to realize is people are also illogical. Point out their lack of logic and they usually will continue out of more spite or self-determination rather than ignorance. Plenty of people only watch one type of movie or only eat certain foods. I'd argue a majority. So why expect more from fans? They're a microcosm. People like what they like and you unfortunately can't force people to change their tastes or opinions. Unless you are a dictator. Then you can. ;)

It's very frustrating when one watches good books die and one really can't do much about it; even if you convince everyone at SHH to try a book, that's barely 1,000 people, a drop in the bucket for the sales of most books (1,000 extra readers on ANT-MAN wouldn't even lift it into the Top 105). The "silent majority" of comic buyers don't troll the internet and are usually rigid in their buying patterns. It gets irksome and can lead to cynicism, but it's reality, unfortunately.
 
Most PEOPLE are ignorant sheep with blinders on.

What you also have to realize is people are also illogical. Point out their lack of logic and they usually will continue out of more spite or self-determination rather than ignorance. Plenty of people only watch one type of movie or only eat certain foods. I'd argue a majority. So why expect more from fans? They're a microcosm. People like what they like and you unfortunately can't force people to change their tastes or opinions. Unless you are a dictator. Then you can. ;)

It's very frustrating when one watches good books die and one really can't do much about it; even if you convince everyone at SHH to try a book, that's barely 1,000 people, a drop in the bucket for the sales of most books (1,000 extra readers on ANT-MAN wouldn't even lift it into the Top 105). The "silent majority" of comic buyers don't troll the internet and are usually rigid in their buying patterns. It gets irksome and can lead to cynicism, but it's reality, unfortunately.

Oh, I understand that it's reality. That doesn't mean I have to like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I can't vent on a message board. :cwink:

And 1,000 readers makes a huge difference. Maybe not on your BIG TWO books, but on a book like Strange Girl or Okko, it's a lot of people.

The saddest thing about all this is that if people actually went outside their comfort zone, they'd find something they liked. It's like being garaunteed to win the lottery but you refuse to buy the ticket.
 
Oh, I understand that it's reality. That doesn't mean I have to like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I can't vent on a message board. :cwink:

And 1,000 readers makes a huge difference. Maybe not on your BIG TWO books, but on a book like Strange Girl or Okko, it's a lot of people.

The saddest thing about all this is that if people actually went outside their comfort zone, they'd find something they liked. It's like being garaunteed to win the lottery but you refuse to buy the ticket.

I understand that. Pfft, yeah, most indie's would kill for even INVINCIBLE's sales.

Vent away. :woot:

Everyone has a comfort zone and everyone has genre's or characters they just plain aren't interested in and never will be, and that's fine. To use myself as an example, I'm not big on zombies so I would never read THE WALKING DEAD, even though I like Kirkman most of the time on comics. Just not into the zombie thing. And then people tell me up and down, "It's not about the zombies, it's about the characters, blah blah blah", but it's zombies in post-apocalyptic stuff and while I can occasionally commit interest in that for a movie, I can't for a monthly comic series that demands $3 a month. I'm the same on sword & sorcery most times.
 
I'm ever so tempted to spoil myself on Dini's 'Tec. Last couple weeks I bought all four volumes of TAS, and I'm still in my Timm/Dini mode.

I don't get my books till next week, but is it really worth staying spoiler free? I usually spoil myself because of the wait. Although I've heard so many good reviews, and all mention a "big reveal" "surprise" "shock"....I'm going crazy.:csad:
 
I understand that. Pfft, yeah, most indie's would kill for even INVINCIBLE's sales.

Vent away. :woot:

Everyone has a comfort zone and everyone has genre's or characters they just plain aren't interested in and never will be, and that's fine. To use myself as an example, I'm not big on zombies so I would never read THE WALKING DEAD, even though I like Kirkman most of the time on comics. Just not into the zombie thing. And then people tell me up and down, "It's not about the zombies, it's about the characters, blah blah blah", but it's zombies in post-apocalyptic stuff and while I can occasionally commit interest in that for a movie, I can't for a monthly comic series that demands $3 a month. I'm the same on sword & sorcery most times.

And that's fine. I'm not saying, "Read the comics I like, or else!" I'm saying...just read something. If you don't like The Walking Dead, that's fine. Your bag seems to be in old school, colorful, big-time superheroics. Typically that's relegated to either Marvel or DC, but you've reached out and given a book like Dynamo 5 a chance. And damn if you don't like it.

One of my favorite books is Scalped. It's not for everyone and I can understand that. What's good to me might not be good to you. What I don't understand is someone who buys Superman or Spider-Man books but has never looked twice at an Invincible issue. It's in the same vein. I'd put money on it that they'd like it just as much if not better. But no, we just can't be bothered to taste a new flavor, can we?
 
I'm ever so tempted to spoil myself on Dini's 'Tec. Last couple weeks I bought all four volumes of TAS, and I'm still in my Timm/Dini mode.

I don't get my books till next week, but is it really worth staying spoiler free? I usually spoil myself because of the wait. Although I've heard so many good reviews, and all mention a "big reveal" "surprise" "shock"....I'm going crazy.:csad:

Nothing beats going into a comic book spoilerless. You can hold out. :up:
 
And that's fine. I'm not saying, "Read the comics I like, or else!" I'm saying...just read something. If you don't like The Walking Dead, that's fine. Your bag seems to be in old school, colorful, big-time superheroics. Typically that's relegated to either Marvel or DC, but you've reached out and given a book like Dynamo 5 a chance. And damn if you don't like it.

One of my favorite books is Scalped. It's not for everyone and I can understand that. What's good to me might not be good to you. What I don't understand is someone who buys Superman or Spider-Man books but has never looked twice at an Invincible issue. It's in the same vein. I'd put money on it that they'd like it just as much if not better. But no, we just can't be bothered to taste a new flavor, can we?

Yeah, I understand that.
 
Off the top of my head I can think of at least three or four ways to use inhibitor collars offensively, especially with SHIELD tech as advanced as it already is. Even as a trigger mechanism, or even as a melee weapon. I don't think even think it has to necessarily go around the head, for that matter.

Basically I look at it the same way I see the big "revelation" or whatever about MVP's not-really-supersoldier abilities: it's interesting and all, but...is that it? Wait, seriously? It makes the Initiative look just that much more controversial with worries of "OMG they're doing controversial tests on dead bodies??" and "OMG they're shooting people with controversial power-destroying darts??" and for what? For their tech to be that tiny bit more advanced? We got kids walking around with nuclear vision and mindrape powers, and somehow dissecting a dead kid whose superpower was "being really athletic" is at the top of the priority list. Wait, seriously? We got inhibitor technology going back years and years, and the fact that it's all of a sudden invasive and harsh and expensive is this giant step for humanity? Seriously?

I mean, I get it. I do. The fact that Slott is writing this so well makes it easy to forget that he's essentially writing yet another Big Bad Government story with the Government doing Big Bad Things. Lest we forget, I believe Slott's stance on all this came out pretty clearly, if a bit unintentionally, during the latest She-Hulk. Obviously, shooting a dart into someone which invades their body and literally altering it to take away their "gifts" makes everyone involved look far more callous than just slapping on a tacky-looking collar which can possibly be removed by a good crowbar. I mean, we all saw Komodo's reaction. It's a typical Big Bad Government sort of thing to want to engineer and makes for Big Bad Government subplots which have already been introduced via Hardball, so obviously it's going to be in here. Right along with the Big Bad Autopsies and Evil Secret-keeping Suits.

You all know how it is. You've all read Ultimates. Everything that can possibly make the government and its handlers look worse is going to be in here, mark my words. That doesn't necessarily make the story worse or anything, it just makes the story what it is. And will sometimes require some bending-over-backwards logic.
 
Actually, it HAS to be applied around the head or neck, probably most effectively around the neck, head for psychic types.

And seriously, SHIELD is built up of more than fifteen people.
 
Zatanna mentioned working with Loxias before in years past, so one wonders whether Joker seriously maintained a false identity/career for years, or he either abducted or murdered the real Loxias to replace him to bait Batman into a trap. This is only a 2 parter so I will be patient for some details.
I read it as him murdering Loxias at some point between the last issue and this one. Loxias, as Batman notes in this issue, became fascinated by the criminal element, and began to associate more with them; at some point, he stumbled across the Joker, and the J-man killed him and took his place.

Consider, for example, the Joker's statement that he "buried" Loxias (which Batman lists as one of the hints at the end).
 
****ing Cassaday. AXM can stand a fill-in. He should be concentrating on Planetary so that DC can finally put out Absolute editions for the rest of the series. :cmad:

Can't comment on AXM,but totally agree that #27 needs to be released soon.I want that 4th trade now and the Absolute.I'm guessing a shipping date of anywhere b/w Feb and Apr 2008.
 
Ellis posted a message recently saying that he's still writing the final issue (after multiple tries), and expects to turn it in within the month.
 
Dread did you go to see Pirates 3?
 
And seriously, SHIELD is built up of more than fifteen people.
So many people running it and all their priorities are still so out-of-whack? That's actually...less flattering than if it were just one person at the helm.
 
Really? I'm reminded of a certain saying about "too many cooks in the kitchen"...
 
I remember when I gave a damn about stuff like that. Here's how it goes, originally, you read only one company, then you branch off into the other of the big two. Eventually, you start to delve into the indie and image stuff Then you start to see how crappy it is that good books sell like crap while crap books sell in the top ten. Me? I've been there. Done that. railed against how people are idiots for not reading some of this great stuff. I'm at a point where I just don't care anymore. I mean, I'll throw out a recommendation here and there when somebody asks, or when somebody doesn't ask, but I'm not gonna go out of my way anymore. Book gets canned? No problem, there's always another kickass indie out there nobody else is reading, and I can just move on to that one. Geez, I wonder if I sound as pretentious as you two back then. :p

:up:
 
I'm proud to say that I've been a big supporter of indie comics since the 70's "Captain Canuck", and to my beginings into "indie world" with Groo #4 from Pacific comics circa 1982 or '83.

It's ok that people can find their safety blankets within the confines of the Big Two, but there IS an indie book out there that can satiate their reading needs, be it Rex Mundi, Invincible, Walking Dead, The Secret Histories, Chronicles of Wormwood, etc...

You just have to look at the rack, and take a chance...

:yay:
 
I always wait too long on indie titles. I want to read Rex Mundi and The Secret History, but I wind up having to wait for trades because I miss them on the shelf or I forget I wanted to read them because I only saw the title once before or something.
 
I didn't mean to sound pretentious or elitist, although I'm sure it comes off that way. Again, I'm not saying "Read the books I read, because they're the best!" I just wonder why a classic Spider-Man/Superman fan can't be bothered with Invincible. It's like a hump that some people are able to get over and some can't.
 

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