Bought/Thought, March 31st, 2010 - SPOILERS

[GyLocke]

I like Dicklops. I don't want him to die or revert back to his old, square self.

Wolverine has been killing people for years. It didn't come back to bite him in the ass. Authorizing lethal force shoudln't be such a big deal in times like this. Who could lead Mutant Kind if not him? I'm not saying there shouldn't be some bad consequences from some of his choices, but it shouldn't be becouse he decided to deal with some of their more murderous enemies. He is a leader of a people now, and he has to make those choices, that the ones before him refused to do.

If they killed Scarlet Witch when then had the chance, Mutant Kind would still thrive. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and he's been groomed to be the King Arthur to his kind most of his life.

He didn't even violate the superhero moral code, many of the Avangers are known killers now.(But then again, I don't find Batman's refusal of killing the Joker heroic at the least.)
Taking a life means making a decision for the good of others that will haunt you for the rest of your life. Sacrificing your innocence, your soul, to save lives. THere's something heroic about giving up being a hero.

 

[Dread]

There is, though, a bit of irony that Cyclops has basically taken up Magneto's philosophy at handling mutant affairs and is seeing worship and relative success at it. Unfortunately, I haven't heard that such irony is being made apparent. That is akin to Captain America deciding the best way to keep America safe is to take it over Red Skull style, and it actually proved efficient.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Heh, yeah, I wasn't going to say anything, since I don't want to start on this tired old argument, but that really is spot on Dread.

 

[GyLocke]

There is, though, a bit of irony that Cyclops has basically taken up Magneto's philosophy at handling mutant affairs and is seeing worship and relative success at it. Unfortunately, I haven't heard that such irony is being made apparent. That is akin to Captain America deciding the best way to keep America safe is to take it over Red Skull style, and it actually proved efficient.

The irony is there I agree. But Magneto was good enough to run the school while Charles was busy space adventuring with Scott's folks and banging Lilandra. He was never a polar opposite to the X-men's ideology as Red Skull is to Cap's.

But yeah, this is a common conversation.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Yes. He was.


They've always been compared to MLK and Malcolm X. One believes in non violent resistance and the other believes in "any means necessary".


That my friend is opposite.

 

[GyLocke]

Sure, if you want to use logic...

 

[Iron Man]

I think the fact that Cyclops has essentially become Magneto is kind of the point of everything that's been happening in the X-verse since Decimation - things have changed so much that Xavier's dream has been lost along the way.

 

[CaptainCanada]

One believes in non violent resistance

Er, no. The X-Men were never non-violent; they believed in mutant/human cooperation, something Magneto thought was impossible (and undesirable). Cyclops never turned his back on humans; the whole San Francisco thing, early on, was all about peaceful interaction; it was government intervention that drove them to Utopia.

You're not really getting this whole vicious cycle thing are you?

Vicious cycle with who? The Purifiers? Marauder clones? The Leper Queen? The Facility? Selene? Bastion? Those are the people X-Force has fought, and to a man they're genocidal psychopaths who have been responsible for the deaths of thousands and are in the middle of plotting the extermination of the mutant race (and, in Selene's case, the entire world).

 

[Tron Bonne]

Vicious cycle with who? The Purifiers? Marauder clones? The Leper Queen? The Facility? Selene? Bastion? Those are the people X-Force has fought, and to a man they're genocidal psychopaths who have been responsible for the deaths of thousands and are in the middle of plotting the extermination of the mutant race (and, in Selene's case, the entire world).

No, not with anyone particular. Cyclops crosses the line and compromises his morals, which causes others to do the same and cross their own lines to get rid of him because of what he's done or villains have to escalate their game to a more extreme level and taking him out. Pretty sure that's what Corp was trying to get at

 

[CaptainCanada]

There aren't any notable X-Men villains who weren't already out to kill the X-Men (Magneto, occasionally, but he's on their team at the moment). He's not "changing the rules" for anyone but the X-Men themselves, to protect the species at its lowest point from its most fanatical opponents. I really don't see an issue with trying to terminate genocidal psychopaths out to kill you, particularly when the government is unwilling or unable to do anything about them, and every mission they've had has been almost entirely reactive to an ongoing evil scheme.

 

[Tron Bonne]

When I said changing the rules I was only talking about for the X-Men, which is why there's an 'or' between done and villains in my post. This must be a harder concept to understand than I think, because I don't understand the confusion here....

 

[Brainiac 8]

Haven't you paid attention to BOOSTER GOLD? Ted Kord's resurrection would mean unraveling all of "solid time" itself!

That's true, but that was if Ted Kord was saved from death at the time that Max Lord killed him.

If he was ressurected now, it wouldn't hurt the time stream one bit.

I want him alive again Dread, aside from Superman, Kord and Booster were my reasons for reading DC comics.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I want him alive again Dread, aside from Superman, Kord and Booster were my reasons for reading DC comics.

Well, since you won't be spending money on anything from Kord, you should put that money towards this:

http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Beetle-B...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270520061&sr=8-1

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Jaime's awesome. I love Ted and I'd love to have him back, but his death really shouldn't stop people from trying out the trades of Jaime's series. It was fantastic and far too short-lived.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I know, I've been meaning to pick up the trades of the New Blue Beetle....just out of curiosity.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Comicon is over...Under The Dome is finished finally...and, I just got back from vacation. Maybe now I can get back to reviewing some comics. Anywho, I picked up Wednesday's comics late Monday night (my comic shop is now open 7 days a week!!!), and have read a few of them while at work these past couple days. Of note:

Blackest Night #8

Meh! I see most people really enjoyed it, but the whole White Lantern Corps just added another (rather predictable) color to this whole mix. It was all a bit over the top, and the final fight just didn't impress me. (As someone else noted, Anti-monitor comes back...for a couple pages.) It's all a set-up for Brightest Night, and I really don't care that much for what happens next. The ending was kind of neat, although very expected. (And, since we really didn't see Bruce that much in the pages of Blackest Night, I wasn't expecting him to be resurrected.) In the end, I've enjoyed Siege SOOOO much better, probably because the tie-ins are far superior and it doesn't spread a story out for 8 issues that fits nicely in 4 issues.

Sword #23

Well, I wasn't expecting that ending! It kind of makes you look back at Justin's character (I think that's his name...I don't have the book in front of me) and makes you wonder if what he said in the past issues is true or not. It all gets explained in the double-sized finale next month. Can't wait! Not only am I excited about that, but am also excited to see what story the Luna Bros. brings us next.

Amazing Spider-Man #627

My complaint with ASM is that this year has not been as good as the first year's stories of BND and that the art sometimes looks pretty bad. Sure, Slott is always great with this book, but most of the other writers have only done an ok job. This issue, though, looks good and reads nicely. I love the flashbacks (AND FOOTNOTES!) to the past Spidey/Juggernaut appearances...and, love the mystery of who could take down the Juggernaut. In the end, we discover that person is

Spoiler

Captain Universe

, which only gets me more excited. I have always loved that character! When I read that final page, all I could think is that JH might just have to break down and read another Spidey story.

Cloak & Dagger One-Shot

Ok, I have a soft spot for these two characters; so, my love for this issue might be a little skewed. Back in the day, (the 80's) Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man was one of my favorite comics, and I loved Cloak and Dagger when they first appeared in its pages. This cover looks awesome, and even the art inside looks pretty good. (It makes me scratch my head that such a huge book, like Amazing Spider-Man, gets some crappy art, while these one-shots look so much better.) This might not be the best story out there, as it's a bit rushed...but, I love me some C & D!

Punisher #15

Remender still is having a lot of fun with this book. Frankencastle still goes on for about 8 or 9 more issues, I guess; so, enjoy it while you can. (That's what Remender was saying at Emerald City Comicon...and, from the way he said it, I get the feeling he's been telling people that a lot.)

Dark Wolverine #84

This issue sucked. Everything we read is all just a dream in the end. To me, that's a waste of 20 pages of reading...and, to me, this is the worst issue of Dark Wolverine I've read.

New Mutants #11

Good issue, and pretty good tie-in with Siege. It was also a nice breakaway from all the Necrosha tie-ins we've been reading lately.

She-Hulk Sensational One-Shot

First story with the Ghosts Of She-Hulk past, present, and future was pretty good, but the second did nothing for me. We also get a reprint of issue #40 that's pretty funny, but I have every issue of She-Hulk in my collection, so it wasn't needed by me. The most glaring thing in this 30th anniversary issue is that Dan Slott wasn't involved, and when I think of She-Hulk nowadays, I think Dan Slott and John Bryne. (I do love the cover to this issue, though!)

 

[Phaedrus45]

No new bought/thought, so here are some more from last week.

Realm Of Kings: Inhumans #5

How truly disappointing Realm Of Kings was. Hopefully the Thanos event will be much better. This final issue shows Queen Medusa has really turned into a class-A bi#$%! I'm wondering if this connects in anyway with this weeks issue of Fantastic Four.

Wolverine Origins #46

This episode pretty much is a recap of Wolverine's relationship with Mariko Yashido, filling everyone into what happened before, all leading up to her death at the hands of Wolverine. The prologue leads into a crossover with Dark Wolverine, as Daken and Logan go on a roadtrip that has some mysterious link with Mariko. It got me interested.

Fantastic Four #577

Ok, while many praise Hickman's F4, I'm getting a bit bored with it. Each issue has just been a set-up to some future story...but, the future story never comes, and we're just getting all these teasers. I'm dying for a good Fantastic Four adventure! And, this issue was just a bunch of talk, talk, talk. No action whatsoever.

X-Force #25

This conclusion to Necrosha kind of sucked. While the storyline sparked my interest at the beginning, it just petered out in the end. This conclusion felt rushed, and Crain's art is hard to look at. Both Nation X and Necrosha were huge disappointments. Let's hope Second Coming gives us something better.

X-Men: Second Coming #1

Good first issue, and I loved Finch's art, especially when you compare it to the Crain issue I read before it. It looks like this X-Event is going to have lots of action! I just hope it doesn't share the same fate as Necrosha, by starting out good but ending pretty badly.