Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[GL's Light]

Actuals are in.

$9,111,638 opening for LFoDH, and $1,870,790 for FF2, totaling $103,920,978.

That puts it just over $ 4 mil behind what FF 1 had made after the same number of days.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I believe he was talking about Die Hard.

Oh, my bad.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well said...the movie is underperforming doemstically, but when somebody has an agenda to bash the movie, because they dislike the director or the cast, it's kinda hard to keep an open mind to what they are saying.

For the record, in my instance, I have nothing against the director or cast. But the overall product does fall short of being a widely appealing success, in my view. Tim Story has stepped up the game considerably since the first movie. Some of what i perceive to be wrong with the movie is down to the editing (to fit Fox demands?), some is down to the writing.

I don't necessarily think everyone who is expressing a less-than-ecstatic viewpoint has an agenda to bash the movie, they are just wondering why the box office is less than they wanted (or less than expected). It's obvious that something, somewhere, is not going exceptionally well - whether people were put off by the first movie or put off by bad critic reviews, we are discussing what is going on here.

This movie is certainly light years ahead of the first one in many respects, but it is a little too light in some areas and the onslaught of humour wears thin after a while, in my opinion. There is certainly room for humour but the FF comics I own are not hammy spoofs on the superhero genre.

The FF are not easy to bring to life - elastic limbs and a body like bright orange crazy-paving are instantly in the realm of fantasy and require a lot of CGI or prosthetics to appear anywhere near believable. Which is why a more serious approach would help make it more believable, rather than aiming for a live-action cartoon. Back in the first film, Ben's transformation should have been shown to us, a scene of a terrifying metamorphosis. Imagine how you would feel if turned into super-dense orange rock - well, we want to see how Ben would feel and experience it with him. It's about creating mood and emotion, reactions and experiences that are believable.

As I say, nothing against the cast (they're all great) and Tim is fine, even if he is perhaps still finding his feet with this franchise.

 

[Hiruu]

Actuals are in.

$9,111,638 opening for LFoDH, and $1,870,790 for FF2, totaling $103,920,978.

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2007-06-27&p=.htm

Those figures are okay...but until we see how it performs this weekend, everything is premature.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

As I expected lame numbers for DH4, it was lucky to make that much. I don't expect much more than 35 to 45 mil for the five day and bad legs. I'd be surprised if it hit 100mil, really surprised.

 

[Bishop2]

As I expected lame numbers for DH4, it was lucky to make that much. I don't expect much more than 35 to 45 mil for the five day and bad legs. I'd be surprised if it hit 100mil, really surprised.

Given inflation since the last movie, I think it's possible. But really, I'd love to know what the budget on it was...

 

[Hunter Rider]

As I expected lame numbers for DH4, it was lucky to make that much. I don't expect much more than 35 to 45 mil for the five day and bad legs. I'd be surprised if it hit 100mil, really surprised.

9M on a Wednesday for a movie that doesn't have Harry Potter,Pirates,Robots or men in tights and features an oldschool badass is pretty good and i don't know why you'd expect bad legs given how critically and fan wise it's been pretty well received

 

[Iron Maiden]

Given inflation since the last movie, I think it's possible. But really, I'd love to know what the budget on it was...

Me too... and has anyone figured out why "Evan Almighty" had a budget of 175 milllion? Are there that many CGI effects???

 

[Sentinel X]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?
I mean the first one did really good, it ended the box office slump but this one (although its been going head to head with FF1 so far) in the long run will do worse then the first since so much big blockbusters are coming out in the next few weeks (Transformers and Harry Potter)

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?

Doesn't look promising.

I say no.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

9M on a Wednesday for a movie that doesn't have Harry Potter,Pirates,Robots or men in tights and features an oldschool badass is pretty good and i don't know why you'd expect bad legs given how critically and fan wise it's been pretty well received

Yes your post has changed my mind, that is a fantasic number, the movie should be on it's way to 300mil. GrindHouse had good reviews too and WildHogs made more money and had far better legs. I'm just making my prediction and opinion of it's opening number, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Last year when SR's numbers came out fans said just wait for the huge legs to come in, the reviews are good and the fans are loving it. We all know how that turned out. Despite what people say legs for wednsday openers are greatly inflated, so no, it did not have anywhere near a 3.9 multiplier. It didn't have bad legs but they damn sure weren't great.

And yes I realized that I seem slightly obesessed with SR's boxoffice numbers but I'm not. It's just amazing to me how a Superman movie couldn't make atleast 250mil.

 

[danoyse]

9M on a Wednesday for a movie that doesn't have Harry Potter,Pirates,Robots or men in tights and features an oldschool badass is pretty good and i don't know why you'd expect bad legs given how critically and fan wise it's been pretty well received

And I think word-of-mouth is going to be really good, from the reactions I've heard so far.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yes your post has changed my mind, that is a fantasic number, the movie should be on it's way to 300mil. GrindHouse had good reviews too and WildHogs made more money and had far better legs. I'm just making my prediction and opinion of it's opening number, if I'm wrong I'm wrong.

Why are you catching feelings ? I simply made a counter point that's all,since your post to me seemed to be expecting numbers that were never likely for an oldschool action movie in the days when we are dominated by men in tights letting their feelings out,campy Pirates and pre pubescent wizards

 

[Carp Man]

Wednesdays actuals are in. Live Free $ 9,111,638. FF 2 $ 103,920,978 dom. $ 163,059,829 WW thru 6-27.

 

[Tony Stark]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?
I mean the first one did really good, it ended the box office slump but this one (although its been going head to head with FF1 so far) in the long run will do worse then the first since so much big blockbusters are coming out in the next few weeks (Transformers and Harry Potter)

Well the good news is it's getting better numbers that Hulk was at this same point. If it can keep that up it should make more than Hulk.

However with Ratatouille coming out, we can only hope for a 10m weekend and 5th place.

 

[Malus]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?
I mean the first one did really good, it ended the box office slump but this one (although its been going head to head with FF1 so far) in the long run will do worse then the first since so much big blockbusters are coming out in the next few weeks (Transformers and Harry Potter)

It's tracking exactly as the summer's blockbuster sequels in terms of % - not total dollars, obviously. But with an opening that was 7 million over predictions, and assuming takes in at least 85% what its predecessor did domestically - then we'll see an FF3, though perhaps with a trimmed budget.
Wouldn't bet a dime that there will be a fourth, unless FF3 was actually a huge hit.
But the studios seem to prefer franchises (even the underperforming ones) in 3's. (Unless there's never a 2, as with Daredevil & Hulk)

A third film provides them with the ever-popular "complete trilogy" opportunity - to sell the same movies to the same people yet again.

I think we'll see FF3 greenlit fairly soon.
Hopefully with a holiday season release date, for a change.

 

[Inhuman63]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?

I don't see any reason why it should not be made. The domestic box office numbers may not as great as expected but I don't think that will be the deciding factor on whether FF3 will be made.

 

[Bishop2]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?
I mean the first one did really good, it ended the box office slump but this one (although its been going head to head with FF1 so far) in the long run will do worse then the first since so much big blockbusters are coming out in the next few weeks (Transformers and Harry Potter)

My guess is that, since everybody's already under contract for it, they'll probably do it as long as this film reaches $135-$140 million. But expect a smaller budget (back to $100 mil or so) and less action once more if they do.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why are you catching feelings ? I simply made a counter point that's all,since your post to me seemed to be expecting numbers that were never likely for an oldschool action movie in the days when we are dominated by men in tights letting their feelings out,campy Pirates and pre pubescent wizards

Actually I expected pretty tame numbers for the movie's opening day, about 10 and a half million with a 40 to 50 percent drop today. I wasn't far enough off to be surprised one way or another.

As for my passionate response, you could ask any of my annoyed family members, thats just how I respond when I disagree with people, I somewhat overreact. I never thought that the movie would do anything special and it hasn't so far, thats basically what I'm saying about it's opening numbers which I think points to it not making it's mystery budget back. I wouldn't be surprised of the movie cost 120mil to make...atleast that.

And now I'm going to go on topic and say that I see another 55% drop in FF2's future.

 

[Tony Stark]

My guess is that, since everybody's already under contract for it, they'll probably do it as long as this film reaches $135-$140 million. But expect a smaller budget (back to $100 mil or so) and less action once more if they do.

Not nessisarily, the larger budget can almost be accounted for the Surfer effects alone.

I could definitely see them doing Mole Man because they really don't have to invent any new technology in the effects to do him. His subterranian monsters would be alot like what was done in Starship troopers and that movie is 10 years old.

They don't have to reinvent the wheel for the next movie, the effects are esablished. They just need to have a solid script writer and be smart about budget decisions.

Also keep in mind inflation works both ways, it does hurt as far as box office take, but inflation also means that a 130 million dollar movie in 2009 is not as much as 130 million dollar movie in 2007.

 

[Tony Stark]

Actually I expected pretty tame numbers for the movie's opening day, about 10 and a half million with a 40 to 50 percent drop today. I wasn't far enough off to be surprised one way or another.

As for my passionate response, you could ask any of my annoyed family members, thats just how I respond when I disagree with people, I somewhat overreact. I never thought that the movie would do anything special and it hasn't so far, thats basically what I'm saying about it's opening numbers which I think points to it not making it's mystery budget back. I wouldn't be surprised of the movie cost 120mil to make...atleast that.

And now I'm going to go on topic and say that I see another 55% drop in FF2's future.

Possibly, but I've noticed on Box office mojo the drops have been for the most part larger than the first film, but not as much as Hulk.

Hulk had a 56% drop in week 3, so if FF can come in just under that, it could make 140 million.

The big thing to watch is that the numbers stay above Hulk's.

I keep wondering though, if they had released this film on a Wednesday, instead of Friday if we would be talking significantly higher numbers.

 

[Nokio]

Do you guys think we'll see a FF3, the way things are going?
I mean the first one did really good, it ended the box office slump but this one (although its been going head to head with FF1 so far) in the long run will do worse then the first since so much big blockbusters are coming out in the next few weeks (Transformers and Harry Potter)

Unless the film has people coming on a regualr basis and it make money slowsy but steadily i don't see another happening. I say it's going to top off between 120-130 domestically. The only positive I see is that FOX didn't lose any money on the movie, but that's only good for them and bad for us. They really dropped the ball with f4 1&2. FOX just made bad choices. F4 2 was a far improvement and although i still have issues this film was better then the major blockbusters, like SM2, Shrek and POTC, well actually I'll tie it up with POTC, cuase I liked it.

FOX again blunders and runins two franchises in one swoop. There will be no SS film as well, and from what I've read FOX would rather hold up the film rites then give them back to Marvel. If only FOX had released F4 2 in late July or August, I believe it would have made more.

 

[Carp Man]

I think there is nothing substantaly wroung with the movie. Just a bad release date with the field being so crowded. Aug., Sept .would have been much better. You wouldn't want to release it in July, With TF, and HP. But Aug, or Sept are wide open as far as blockbuster movies. HP will dominate July. TF will be a distant memory.

 

[Carp Man]

FF 2 looses 539 theaters. Down to 3,424. TF is set to open at 4,000 theaters.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

FF 2 looses 539 theaters. Down to 3,424.

Yeah my theater is only playing it like 6 times now. it started with 14 on monday went down to 10 on wednesday and 5 or 6 on friday.


You got the updated numbers carpy?