Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Thats a damn shame.

 

[Carp Man]

We have some early Wednesday estimates :

TSM :

Domestic: $97,216,000 47.4%+ Foreign: $107,719,942 52.6%= Worldwide: $204,935,942

HP :

Domestic: $249,367,000 35.5%+ Foreign:$454,000,000 64.5%= Worldwide: $703,367,000

TF's :

Domestic: $288,964,000 53.7%+ Foreign: $249,468,071 46.3%= Worldwide: $538,432,071

 

[GL's Light]

Here's my question: How long does Fox have to make its next FF film before the rights switch back to Marvel? Would a SS film count towards Fox's rights to the FF franchise?

Probably about four years, and, yes, an SS film would count AFAIK. So if Fox released Silver Surfer in 2009 and then decided not to make FF 3, Marvel would regain the FF rights in about 2013.

 

[Carp Man]

Probably about four years, and, yes, an SS film would count AFAIK. So if Fox released Silver Surfer in 2009 and then decided not to make FF 3, Marvel would regain the FF rights in about 2013.

There will be a FF 3. Quite thinking there will not be. And it will be before 2013. We think positive here.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ There will for certain be another FF film. It sounds like Silver Surfer will be in 2009 and FF3 in 2011. It's gotta stay away from the Summer though. Winter/Holiday all the way like the 1st film was supposed to be. Remember that: 12/24/2004. LOL

 

[Carp Man]

^ There will for certain be another FF film. It sounds like Silver Surfer will be in 2009 and FF3 in 2011. It's gotta stay away from the Summer though. Winter/Holiday all the way like the 1st film was supposed to be. Remember that: 12/24/2004. LOL

I say 10 for FF 3. Yea. LOL. That 1st film had so many release dates from 95 to 05. LOL. They were working on it, then it stopped. Then it started again. Then it stopped. LOL. No wounder the script was so screwed up. It had been in the writing stage for 10 years. Iron Man is going to smoke.

 

[Kelly]

Probably about four years, and, yes, an SS film would count AFAIK. So if Fox released Silver Surfer in 2009 and then decided not to make FF 3, Marvel would regain the FF rights in about 2013.

Fox has to have all of the movies they want made finished and in the theatres by 2011....

I'm not sure that the SS film can be counted as an FF sequel, I don't think we can say that for sure or not with the information we have. The 4 primary actors are signed with the franchise, only Mcmahon is signed with Fox. His 3 movies are 3 Fox films not 3 FF films, the other actors are signed to 3 Fantastic Four Films, with a 4th option.

 

[GL's Light]

Fox has to have all of the movies they want made finished and in the theatres by 2011....

Really? These deals are usually replenishing, with an extension of rights after each subsequent sequel. Is there a definite cut-off date for Fox's hold on the FF rights in 2011 regardless of whether they make FF 3?

As for an SS film serving as a sequel, you may be right that it wouldn't, although Fox could always be sneaky and have an appearance by the FF in the spinoff if that would serve to renew their FF rights. Silver Surfer: Rise of the Fantastic Four. t:

 

[Kelly]

Really? These deals are usually replenishing, with an extension of rights after each subsequent sequel. Is there a definite cut-off date for Fox's hold on the FF rights in 2011 regardless of whether they make FF 3?

As for an SS film serving as a sequel, you may be right that it wouldn't, although Fox could always be sneaky and have an appearance by the FF in the spinoff if that would serve to renew their FF rights. Silver Surfer: Rise of the Fantastic Four. t:

I wish I could tell you the article of where that was stated, but this is information from all the way back in July 2004.....I have no clue exactly what article it was in, but the year was either 2011, or 2012, that all their movies had to be made by that time and then the rights go back to Marvel.

lol.....I'm not sure if thats a possibility....but hey anything can happen with the movies thats for sure......

 

[Malus]

Here's my question: How long does Fox have to make its next FF film before the rights switch back to Marvel? Would a SS film count towards Fox's rights to the FF franchise?

That's an interesting question. That would be up to Marvel, I suppose. If the FF were featured in the Silver Surfer movie, I would think yes.

From what little I've seen, Iron Man and Incredible Hulk both look to be promising (at the very least, they appear more faithful to the comics than anything from Fox) so Marvel might actually be looking forward to getting those rights back.

Now a digression: In my perfect world:
(A bizarro world where pooches actually get unscrewed )

The "Surfer movie" would be a 5-8 minute prologue to FF3 that covers the Surfer's origin, including full Galactus reveal. We see that the cylonic mass was not Galactus, but rather a preparatory feeding mechanism. The events of FF2 are covered right at the end of this prologue, and then we see the Surfer awaken in the aftermath. And he utters the words "It is not over."
Title card: "Fantastic Four: DOOMSDAY"
-and a real, Spidey 2-type opening credits sequence, with full use of the Ottman theme.

Cut to the FF as Reed and Sue have returning early from their honeymoon.
Turns out "Venice sliding into the Adriatic" was only the first of a series of subterrainian disturbances; now power plants and other vital parts of the world's basic-needs infrastructure are being targeted. Obviously this points to the Mole Man, who has initiated an offensive on humanity after one of the Surfer's cosmic craters inadvertantly destroyed part of Moley's underworld.
Actually, dealing with the Mole Man can be something that's in progress when the movie begins, so it's all tied up by the time we hit 45 minutes...As the FF tie up that crisis, the Surfer arrives at the Baxter Building and encounters Alicia (so we get some semblance of those classic scenes that even Don Payne lamented excluding)...the FF return, and the Surfer gives the warning that Galactus is still coming. (Sue: "You mean that thing that almost incinerated the Earth...that wasn't Galactus?"
Surfer: "Oh helllll, no.")

Cut to the eyes of the true Galactus, out in space...and pull back gradually to reveal the unbelievable enormity of his ship and whatever cosmic energy that surrounds it...

Then we get 90 minutes more (it's an actual 2 & 1/2 hr superhero movie) that concludes the Galactus story to every fan's satisfaction.

The ultimate threat is over, the world is safe...Happy ending for the FF...
But we get a little tease mid-credits that shows Doom, back in Latveria, has created an army of Doombots and swears vengeance on the Fantastic Four...

And that would be the end of the FF at Fox.

Cut to 5 years later, rights back with Marvel...and the FF franchise is "re-booted" as state-of-the-art Pixar (or Pixar-level) movies; a perfect 3-D animated recreation of Kirby's quintessential FF.
(And let the FF cast we have now do the voices.)

That's just my personal "perfect scenario."

And yeah, I know it'll never happen that way.

 

[Spider–Man]

That's an interesting question. That would be up to Marvel, I suppose. If the FF were featured in the Silver Surfer movie, I would think yes.

From what little I've seen, Iron Man and Incredible Hulk both look to be promising (at the very least, they appear more faithful to the comics than anything from Fox) so Marvel might actually be looking forward to getting those rights back.

Now a digression: In my perfect world:
(A bizarro world where pooches actually get unscrewed )

The "Surfer movie" would be a 5-8 minute prologue to FF3 that covers the Surfer's origin, including full Galactus reveal. We see that the cylonic mass was not Galactus, but rather a preparatory feeding mechanism. The events of FF2 are covered right at the end of this prologue, and then we see the Surfer awaken in the aftermath. And he utters the words "It is not over."
Title card: "Fantastic Four: DOOMSDAY"
-and a real, Spidey 2-type opening credits sequence, with full use of the Ottman theme.

Cut to the FF as Reed and Sue have returning early from their honeymoon.
Turns out "Venice sliding into the Adriatic" was only the first of a series of subterrainian disturbances; now power plants and other vital parts of the world's basic-needs infrastructure are being targeted. Obviously this points to the Mole Man, who has initiated an offensive on humanity after one of the Surfer's cosmic craters inadvertantly destroyed part of Moley's underworld.
Actually, dealing with the Mole Man can be something that's in progress when the movie begins, so it's all tied up by the time we hit 45 minutes...As the FF tie up that crisis, the Surfer arrives at the Baxter Building and encounters Alicia (so we get some semblance of those classic scenes that even Don Payne lamented excluding)...the FF return, and the Surfer gives the warning that Galactus is still coming. (Sue: "You mean that thing that almost incinerated the Earth...that wasn't Galactus?"
Surfer: "Oh helllll, no.")

Cut to the eyes of the true Galactus, out in space...and pull back gradually to reveal the unbelievable enormity of his ship and whatever cosmic energy that surrounds it...

Then we get 90 minutes more (it's an actual 2 & 1/2 hr superhero movie) that concludes the Galactus story to every fan's satisfaction.

The ultimate threat is over, the world is safe...Happy ending for the FF...
But we get a little tease mid-credits that shows Doom, back in Latveria, has created an army of Doombots and swears vengeance on the Fantastic Four...

And that would be the end of the FF at Fox.

Cut to 5 years later, rights back with Marvel...and the FF franchise is "re-booted" as state-of-the-art Pixar (or Pixar-level) movies; a perfect 3-D animated recreation of Kirby's quintessential FF.
(And let the FF cast we have now do the voices.)

That's just my personal "perfect scenario."

And yeah, I know it'll never happen that way.

Sounds good to me!

 

[highguard]

Tim needs work on his effects skills, though. Some of the effects are just shoddy.

I agree, he needs lot of work in this area, it is hit and miss sometimes.

 

[GL's Light]

In Story's defense, Fox gives the FF films such short production and post-production periods that he likely has very little input into the FX, simply because he wouldn't have time for fine-tuning. He probably just has to mostly leave it in the hands of the FX companies and hope for the best when the shots are delivered because delivery will be so close to the release date that there won't be time to change them if there's a problem.

 

[GL's Light]

Edit - computer glitch double post.

 

[highguard]

.....

And that would be the end of the FF at Fox.

......

As Albafan said earlier I think it was chicklis who said they had up until 2012 to do like four movies.

Then Marvel will get the rights back I think. I think that that was the deal Avi made. Man Avi is kicking himself for those desperate days.

This is what I think Malus, like you the surfer movie should be a small budget, 80 million extravaganza, get ILM to do the movie. It should set up the emergence of Galactus as you said.

The moleman idea you mentioned is good, I would use that too, but only as comic relief. Or i would use the puppet master, and set the ff against each other testing the bonds of family. Enter the surfer to sort things out because Galactus is really here and only Reed can stop him. That movie should be FF3:Planet Destroyer. The FF and the surfer confront Galactus in an all out battle minus Reed who is busy in his lab constructing a miniature Negative Zone Portal creator into which the Mighty Galactus screaming vengeance is sucked into by Reed who arrives just as Galactus is about to obliterate the rest of the FF and SS who are bruised and battered at his feet from their battle.

Again I would shoot movie 3 and 4 back to back and the final movie would be as you said, Doom resurgent with a robot army bred to subjugate the world. Having learned from the surfer's removal of his own scarring he should render all the combatants powerless, including the surfer who is held captive in a holding cell for most of the movie.

The FF dumped in the middle of latveria, powerless, are pushed and prodded by doom who gloats at his total domination and outsmarting of Richards, and reveals his plot for them and the entire world, confident that they will never have the means to regain their powers and threaten his supremacy ever again.

He informs them in a public appearance that they should prepare themselves because Doomsday (FF3oomsday) is at hand.

It is here that the heroics of the four come to fruition as Reed finally proves once and for all that a man is more than the sum of his possessions that where there is a will there is a way and that he will lay all on the line including his life to save the woman he loves, his best friend, his brother in law and the world who have come to depend on the man they call Mr Fantastic.

Doom comes on that day but for Doom as he is defeated just as victory was within his grasp screaming Richards as he is led away in disgrace after suffering what he screams is an Impossible defeat.

 

[highguard]

^Thats a damn shame.

Yes it is.

 

[Carp Man]

Around the World Roundup: 'Simpsons' Super in Debut
by Conor Bresnan
August 2, 2007


The global appeal for The Simpsons Movie unveiled itself over the weekend as the cartoon opened to $96.9 million from 71 markets. It was by far the largest opening ever for an American comedy and even topped the final tally of Wedding Crashers. The Simpsons's 18-year history on television equated to huge awareness and a built-in audience.

Reflecting The Simpsons' massive box office across Europe, the picture faced off with Transformers' opening in the United Kingdom and handily beat the robo-spectacle by 56 percent with a fantastic $27.5 million versus $17.6 million. In France, Simpsons again went head-to-head with Transformers and won. Despite playing on 156 fewer screens, it nabbed $9.5 million from 716 screens compared to Transformers' $6.7 million. In Germany, Simpsons posted a phenomenal $14.2 million from 754 screens, which was bigger than Spider-Man 3's opening earlier this year. Simpsons also excelled in Sweden ($1.8 million from 120 screens), Belgium ($1.8 million from 136) and Spain ($7.2 million from 672).

As great as Europe was for The Simpsons, Latin America fared even better. In Argentina, the comedy notched recorded a smashing $2.3 million from 182 screens, which almost doubled Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and topped Shrek the Third to become the year's biggest opening. It followed suit in Chile with a $1.3 million start from 43 screens, which was also the year's best, topping Spider-Man 3. Simpsons was excellent in Venezuela as well, tabulating $755,389 from 97 screens.

The only region where The Simpsons didn't translate was Asia. In the Philippines, it settled for third place (beneath Ratatouille and local hit Ouija) with a meager $397,170 from 50 screens. In Malaysia, its $165,531 from 25 screens was even worse and couldn't beat Transformers in its fifth weekend. It was in Singapore, though, with a top-ranked $558,672 from 33 screens.

Overall, The Simpsons Movie blew away expectations as its $96.9 million weekend was achieved without including previews or extra days (like Spider-Man 3 or Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End) and it did not include several major markets like Italy (Sept. 14), Russia (Aug. 16), Japan (March 22) and Mexico (Aug. 1) among several others. This weekend in addition to Mexico, it opens in Denmark, India and Poland.

Tumbling 51 percent to second place, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix grossed $50 million from 59 territories for a $454 million total. The fantasy sequel had one opening, Poland, where it took in less than half of what Shrek the Third did a few weeks ago, making a still impressive $1.8 million from 174 prints. Potter's largest gross came from Germany. Down only 39 percent, it took in $6.3 million for a three-week tally of $46.2 million. In the U.K., though, it dove 57 percent with the arrival of The Simpsons and Transformers, earning $5.8 million for a $76.6 million total. It also fell hard in Japan, off 67 percent from its opening (which included previews) to $5.7 million for a $31.9 million total.

Transformers ranked third with $44.5 million from 47 markets, lifting its total to $249.5 million as it continued to stun in Asia while seeing solid openings across Europe. In addition to France and the U.K.'s openings, it added $1.8 million from 74 screens in Hong Kong, a debut that was considerably lower than Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Hong Kong wasn't nearly as receptive to the morphing robots as China, where the picture has already grossed a stellar $31 million. The 'bots transfixed Malaysia as well, reclaiming the top spot against Harry Potter and The Simpsons's debut with $210,338. Its $4.9 million total there is already the year's highest gross. Meanwhile, Transformers added to its already record American take in South Korea, making $1.5 million in its fifth weekend for a $48.2 million total.

http://forums.superherohype.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=12365400

Note : Simpsons rule. They whooped up on every other movie that has opened overseas this year. When your beating Pirates, and SM 3's opening #s, that's making a statement.

 

[Carp Man]

Let's see the theater counts :

HP : 3,125 down 880

TF's : 2,419 down 930

Bourne Ultimatinum : 3,660

Underdog : 3.013

 

[Carp Man]

FF 2 #'s thru 8-1 :

Domestic: $129,940,323 54.2%+ Foreign: $109,832,177 45.8%= Worldwide: $239,772,500

 

[Advanced Dark]

So we're gonna end up just under 130,300,000 or maybe a bit more if lucky. Tim just responded to my last message on myspace.

 

[Carp Man]

So we're gonna end up just under 130,300,000 or maybe a bit more if lucky. Tim just responded to my last message on myspace.

And what did he have to say ?

 

[Carp Man]

I see we have Fantasy Moguls over/unders for the weekend :

TBU over/under $ 57 million

TSM over/under $ 30 million

HP over/under $ 9 million

TF's over/under $ 6.9 million

At Mojo we have :

TBU $ 60.9

TSM $ 35.4

 

[Mr. Socko]

I bet Underdog will bomb like hell. Will definitely make Surfer seem like a huge hit!

 

[GL's Light]

Looking at the foreign numbers:

FF 2's run is about complete in the UK, Mexico and Australia, which were FF 1's 1st, 2nd and 6th biggest markets respectively. FF 2 posted an increase over FF 1 in the UK ($ 24.4 mil to $ 22.57 mil), but has performed somewhat below FF 1 in Australia ($ 8.1 mil to $ 9.18 mil) and quite substantially lower than FF 1 in Mexico ($ 16.5 mil to $ 22.17 mil).

The chances for FF 3 now likely rest with the strength of FF 2's box office in France, Spain, Italy, and Japan.

 

[Kelly]

I bet Underdog will bomb like hell. Will definitely make Surfer seem like a huge hit!

Watch it bucko.....