Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[Advanced Dark]

Actually domestically Shrek, Spidey, and Pirates did less than the previous installments. As did Evan Almight, Stardust bit the dust, as well.

May was just a huge month because of the 3 monster franchises all of which canniblized each other. This overcrowding will be nothing though compared to 2008, 2009, and beyond. It's getting worse.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Fox's summer action pics -- "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" and "Live Free or Die Hard" -- combined for another $10 million. "Surfer" added $5.5 million at 1,900 to boost its foreign take to $133 million, and "Die Hard 4.0," as it's known overseas, captured $4.5 million at 2,200 to push the international total to $213 million.

http://www.variety.com

Hreporter confirms the same things.

So:

133 Million international
131 million domestic
------------------------
264 Million Worldwide.

Simpson is just owning the international market 4 weeks in a row.

280-285 looks like the absoloute top.

 

[TheVileOne]

Ummmm wow, vile thanks for telling us that AGAIN, I hadn't understood your opinion the other 50x you gave it.

Like other people don't repeat stuff on here.

Actually domestically Shrek, Spidey, and Pirates did less than the previous installments. As did Evan Almight, Stardust bit the dust, as well.

Shrek still made $320 million in the US, and smoked the first movie. I already mentioned Evan Almighty and Stardust. And unlike other movies, Stardust did NOT have big hype and expectations behind it. Plus it still cost under $100 million.

May was just a huge month because of the 3 monster franchises all of which canniblized each other. This overcrowding will be nothing though compared to 2008, 2009, and beyond. It's getting worse.

It's a point, but I'd say due to the high quality of many of the movies post-May, many of which got GREAT reviews with the critics and the fans still did very well.

There were a lot more success stories this summer than disappointments.

 

[Carp Man]

Yawn. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

 

[Advanced Dark]

Like other people don't repeat stuff on here.



Shrek still made $320 million in the US, and smoked the first movie. I already mentioned Evan Almighty and Stardust. And unlike other movies, Stardust did NOT have big hype and expectations behind it. Plus it still cost under $100 million.



It's a point, but I'd say due to the high quality of many of the movies post-May, many of which got GREAT reviews with the critics and the fans still did very well.

There were a lot more success stories this summer than disappointments.

Considering the heavy competition yeah Spidey, Shrek, and Pirates did great but they all did much less than the prior installment. The original Shrek was a new franchise with no fan base when it came out. That's why when the second one came out it had a bigger reaction. Shrek 3 also was in between the 2 other biggies. I think Spider-Man 3 was hurt by the competition but even more so by the way they unfolded that story. Spiderman 3's story should have been 2 films (Spidey 3 & 4) and they should have signed on the whole cast and crew for one more film to finish off that story. Intro Brock & Sandman in Part 3 and finish part 3 with Spidey in the tower and the symbiote dropping onto Brock and changing into Venom. Fill in the gaps with more of Gwen, have more of a build up in part 3 with Brock and Parker, etc...That way the main villain is Parker vs the Symbiote and Sandman. There was just too much going on. Then in part 4 you can send off Tobey and company with a huge battle against Venom with Harry's help and have him killed off at the end of part 4.

Then you start with a new cast and director for part 5.

 

[Kelly]

Like other people don't repeat stuff on here.

Very true....that happens alot around here.....we have people that repeat about Thing's look, about Doom, about why that they thought this film was a disappointment, but they have been following this movie since day one, the ups and downs, they love this comicbook....so its understandable....

I don't really understand those that come in after the fact to repeat themselves for the simple reason of repeating themselves....

 

[Advanced Dark]

Very true....that happens alot around here.....we have people that repeat about Thing's look, about Doom, about why that they thought this film was a disappointment, but they have been following this movie since day one, the ups and downs, they love this comicbook....so its understandable....

I don't really understand those that come in after the fact to repeat themselves for the simple reason of repeating themselves....

That's the 4th time you've said that.

 

[highguard]

^^ Its all about post counts baby all about the numbers, lol.

 

[Kelly]

^^ Its all about post counts baby all about the numbers, lol.

And for some about the bloviation......

 

[Maestro83]

The attendance figures for the weekend in Germany are in:

Rush Hour 3: 410.000 *new*
Simpsons: 190.000
Harry Potter 5: 150.000
Fantastic Four 2: 130.000 (FF had 174.000 in 2005) *new*
Transformers: 120.000

Regards,
Maestro

 

[Carp Man]

'Superbad' Scores
by Brandon Gray
August 19, 2007


Superbad grossed an estimated $31.2 million on approximately 3,500 screens at 2,948 theaters, handily topping the weekend box office. Sony's $20 million teen comedy was promoted as being from the makers of Knocked Up and The 40-Year-Old Virgin, which debuted to $21.4 million on the same weekend in 2005, and it opened at about the same level that Knocked Up did earlier this summer.

With the success of Superbad and Knocked Up, the return of the R-rated comedy will inevitably be heralded in Hollywood and the media as it was with Wedding Crashers and American Pie among other pictures. However, a comedy is bound to be a hit if it looks funny and relatable to its target audience regardless of the Motion Picture Association of America's rating—movies, genres and talent have fans, not "R," "PG-13," etc. An "R" rating can only garnish an already appealing ribald comedy with the promise of a frank or taboo approach.

What's more, Superbad and Knocked Up's makers haven't tackled especially unusual material. Their themes and storylines have been broad, particularly aimed at teens and young adults, and cast through their own raunchy, pop-cultured, nerdy frat-boy sensibility. In the case of Superbad, the marketing depicted best friends on the eve of separating and stereotypical pursuits for girls and alcohol.

Meanwhile, audiences avoided The Invasion. Originally scheduled for release a year ago, Warner Bros.' reportedly $80 million sci-fi horror emerged with an estimated $6 million at 2,776 sites, a comparable start to the similarly-themed The Astronaut's Wife from August 1999 and The Puppet Masters.

Among holdovers, Rush Hour 3 tumbled 56 percent to an estimated $21.8 million for $88.2 million in ten days. By comparison, Rush Hour 2 was down 51 percent in its second weekend to $33.1 million for $133.5 million. The Bourne Ultimatum had a slightly steeper third weekend drop than The Bourne Supremacy but it pulled further ahead gross-wise, having earned nearly $40 million more through the same point.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2371&p=.htm

 

[Carp Man]

Weekend actuals for FF 2 :

Domestic: $131,117,315 51.4%+ Foreign: $124,020,761 48.6%= Worldwide: $255,138,076

 

[Kelly]

Unless F4 has a huge take in Japan next month, I don't see it hitting my projection of 285 mil......very sad.

 

[Carp Man]

Unless F4 has a huge take in Japan next month, I don't see it hitting my projection of 285 mil......very sad.

FF made $ 9 million in Japan. If FF 2 makes $ 9 million, it would need $ 21 million from someplace else. $ 275 tops.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Carpy your numbers are off again. Look at post 5633 above. You're about 10 mill off.

 

[The Joker]

I'm glad this movie is under performing at the box office. It was really bad, IMO. Hopefully this will make Fox wake up to themselves about this franchise.

 

[Malus]

I'm glad this movie is under performing at the box office. It was really bad, IMO. Hopefully this will make Fox wake up to themselves about this franchise.

Yep. Just as I hope Sony gets their act back together for Spider-man IV after the mess they delivered in May.
Even my 6-year old, the biggest Spidey fan I know, was underwhelmed by the throw-in-the-kitchen-sink chaos of Spidey 3. He never even asked to see it a second time. (He saw Spidey 2 five times while still in theaters.)
And I've lost count of my friends who feel the same way.
It's apples and oranges, obviously, but both SM3 and FF2 were under-performing films that, to one degree or another, were micro-managed by dunder-headed higher-ups. (In Spidey's case, Avi Arad.)

My greatest desire is that Avi Arad be kept as far away from Marvel films as possible. He's been screwing up the FF as early as 1994 when we suffered through the abominable 1st season of Fantastic Four when it was half of The Marvel Action Hour. (Anybody wanna hear the Thing's "Clobberin' Time" rap song again??)
And it didn't matter that the 2nd season of FF was vastly superior to the first; fans had been scared off. I think that same "fool me once" factor figured somewhat into FF2's muted reception.
Sam Raimi should have told Arad to go blow when it came to adding Venom. Venom should have been a Spidey film unto itself.

As always, just my opinion.

 

[Iron Maiden]

To be honest, Marvel's Powers That Be in their Entertainment Division are complicit in some of this. And sometimes the print division is no better lately... look at how unrecognizable Reed was in "Civil War" just because it was Mark Millar's opinion that he's one of Marvel's ***holes among the hero set . And if you think back on Bill Jemas, former head honcho during the Waid/Wieringo run, he fired Waid because he refused to change the direction of the comic into a title about goofy, dysfunctional family with a cranky neighbor. The Fantastic Four have not been served well lately in their own "home".

There's a very interesting article in EW this week that pretty much calls all the summer blockbusters forgetable... POTC, Transformers, SM-3 and Shrek 3. Very interesting and very true. They were fun while you were in the theater, in the moment so to speak, but nothing really memorable or noteworthy about any of them.

But I have to add a caveat to the critiques that FF:ROTC was an "awful" film, especially after chancing across "Batman and Robin" on cable the other night. It should have been better but it's not that bad. I found it entertaining but it should have had a more epic feel to it.

 

[Kelly]

To be honest, Marvel's Powers That Be in their Entertainment Division are complicit in some of this. And sometimes the print division is no better lately... look at how unrecognizable Reed was in "Civil War" just because it was Mark Millar's opinion that he's one of Marvel's ***holes among the hero set . And if you think back on Bill Jemas, former head honcho during the Waid/Wieringo run, he fired Waid because he refused to change the direction of the comic into a title about goofy, dysfunctional family with a cranky neighbor. The Fantastic Four have not been served well lately in their own "home".

There's a very interesting article in EW this week that pretty much calls all the summer blockbusters forgetable... POTC, Transformers, SM-3 and Shrek 3. Very interesting and very true. They were fun while you were in the theater, in the moment so to speak, but nothing really memorable or noteworthy about any of them.

But I have to add a caveat to the critiques that FF:ROTC was an "awful" film, especially after chancing across "Batman and Robin" on cable the other night. It should have been better but it's not that bad. I found it entertaining but it should have had a more epic feel to it.

And the cancellation of the Marvel Knights issues shows me that they don't care about the relationship and heart of this family either....

There's a very interesting article in EW this week that pretty much calls all the summer blockbusters forgetable... POTC, Transformers, SM-3 and Shrek 3. Very interesting and very true. They were fun while you were in the theater, in the moment so to speak, but nothing really memorable or noteworthy about any of them.

I totally agree with that assessment......actually it will be awhile before I spend my money on a 2+ hour blockbuster.......my money will be spent much better on some of the smaller independent movies coming out.......

 

[Carp Man]

Mondays #'s are in. Overseas #'s thru 8-20-07.

FF 2 :

Domestic: $131,144,008 49.1%+ Foreign: $135,695,687 50.9%= Worldwide: $266,839,695

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I forgot to add this weeks updated overseas #'s in my prediction for WW #'s for FF 2. Appears it will hit $ 280, mabey $ 285.

 

[Carp Man]

Tuesdays #'s are in :

FF 2 :

Domestic: $131,176,060 49.2%+ Foreign: $135,695,687 50.8%= Worldwide: $266,871,747

 

[Advanced Dark]

Too bad it was never released in IMAX.

 

[Carp Man]

Too bad it was never released in IMAX.

I agree.

 

[Carp Man]

Around the World Roundup: 'Bourne' Ekes Past 'Simpsons'
by Conor Bresnan
August 22, 2007


It was another close call at the foreign box office over the weekend as The Bourne Ultimatum narrowly edged out The Simpsons Movie. Bourne added eight nations, ballooning its gross to $22.6 million for a $33.5 million total.

The United Kingdom supplied much of Bourne Ultimatum's weekend haul. The action thriller opened to a fantastic $12.7 million from 447 screens there, more than double its predecessors' openings. More impressive was Spain, where Bourne opened on Tuesday to gain business from the Assumption Day holiday. It tabulated $4.9 million over its first six days there, which means it will top the final tallies of its predecessors this week. New heights for the franchise were also seen in Denmark ($527,605 from 49 screens), Finland ($218,304 from 26), the Philippines ($659,025 from 96) and Singapore ($763,977 from 29).

Meanwhile, holdovers were a mixed bag. While Bourne Ultimatum tumbled 65 percent in the United Arab Emirates ($925,412 total) and 68 percent in Thailand ($1.3 million total), it eased 29 percent in Indonesia ($993,678) and 42 percent in South Africa ($765,688). Bourne lands in seven new territories this weekend, including Brazil and Russia.

Falling to second place, The Simpsons Movie bagged $22.3 million from 49 territories for a $267.6 million total. The cartoon comedy had two terrific openings in Russia and Brazil. In Russia, it brought in $3.7 million, which was ahead of Scary Movie 4 and double Evan Almighty. In Brazil, it made $2.7 million from 442 screens, which topped Ratatouille. The Simpsons wasn't so hot in the Netherlands where it grabbed a disappointing $840,880 from 190 screens.

Most of The Simpsons' holdovers have been strong. For instance in Finland, the picture's $239,903 fourth weekend was larger than The Bourne Ultimatum's debut. In Serbia & Montenegro, The Simpsons is now the highest grossing non-local movie of the year at $246,839, almost doubling Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Most notable, however, is the picture's dynamite run in the U.K. It held onto second place, down 29 percent to $3.1 million for a four-weekend haul of $68.8 million. The Simpsons hits South Korea this weekend.

Ratatouille secured third place with a $16.7 million weekend from 30 markets for a $149.4 million total. The animated comedy continues to wow in France with a $7.9 million third weekend, off just 12 percent for a $36.3 million total. Other mighty holds came from the Netherlands (down 18 percent), Hong Kong (down 35 percent) and Japan (down 11 percent). Ratatouille also had a few strong openings in smaller markets: Iceland ($56,907 from 10 screens), Lithuania ($123,445 from 9), Malaysia ($346,343 from 52), Slovenia ($56,753 from 12) and the United Arab Emirates ($195,818 from 19).

Fourth for the weekend, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix eased 35 percent to $15.6 million for a $591.2 million total. In its second weekend in China, the fantasy sequel fell 41 percent to $3.2 million for a $13.35 million total. In local currency, it was the first Harry Potter to pass 100 million Yuan Renminbis. At the same time, Order of Phoenix continued to lead in Japan with a stellar $2.6 million fifth frame for a $63.4 million total. Potter opens in its final major market, Greece, this weekend.

Rush Hour 3 rose to fifth place with a surprisingly strong $11.4 million from 14 territories for a $26.8 million total. The action comedy topped its two predecessors in Germany with a solid $4 million opening from 604 screens. In Jackie Chan's traditionally successful box office market of Hong Kong, it disappointed with a $449,057 debut from 35 screens. The picture, though, looked good in Norway ($357,139 from 32) and Thailand ($728,423 from 150). Holdovers had falls over 40 percent as expected.

Transfomers nabbed sixth place with an $11.1 million weekend from 52 territories for a $354.3 million total. The action spectacle had a terrific launch in India with $1 million from 262 screens, but its European premieres weren't as successful. In Poland, its $663,540 from 106 screens wasn't enough to top Surf's Up opening a week earlier. In the Czech Republic, its $175,090 from 21 screens was only a third of Shrek the Third's debut. In Slovenia, its $74,879 from 8 wasn't even enough to lead the market. Meanwhile, the movie fell 26 percent in Japan for a $24.1 million total. This weekend it strikes Latvia, Serbia & Montenegro and Vietnam.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2373&p=.htm

 

[Carp Man]

Ok. Time for some update madness. Totals thru Wednesday :

FF 2 :
Domestic: $131,202,216 49.2%+ Foreign: $135,695,687 50.8%= Worldwide: $266,897,903

TSM :
Domestic: $168,235,300 38.4%+ Foreign: $270,175,003 61.6%= Worldwide: $438,410,303

HP5 :
Domestic: $280,357,192 32.1%+ Foreign: $594,000,000 67.9%= Worldwide: $874,357,192

TF's :
Domestic: $307,223,485 46.4%+ Foreign: $354,378,648 53.6%= Worldwide: $661,602,133