Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[highguard]

Well the person who told me it's fact works at Marvel and is a name you know.

BTW Alba is talking FF3 again:

http://groups.myspace.com/themarvelmoviegroup

You know, it probably makes sense that the rights are bundled. When the German speculator got Roger Corman to produce that low budget gem of a film to keep the rights he turned around and sold them off to Fox, it would seem as if they got the rights to Surfer the same time, unless they had purchased Surfer seperately on their own and bought up the FF to complement that.

Anyway it is good to hear Alba talking FF3 again, I love this girl. She was out promoting this film in Germany last time I saw her. She deserves a medal.

She is not pretentious at all, she is putting an effort into the film and the franchise and giving it her all.

I just love that.

By the way there is a rumour out there that Cash did not want to commit and that that is the real reason they split.

I don't know Cash but that seems impossible to believe given that they looked so happy, man hollywood is a tough place.

All I can say to Cash is life goes on buddy, and you will survive we hope.

Seriously Hollywood is tough on romance.

Ok, back to boxoffice, I guess that is it then. We made it by the skin of our teeth.

We broke even.

Hurray.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

You know, it probably makes sense that the rights are bundled. When the German speculator got Roger Corman to produce that low budget gem of a film to keep the rights he turned around and sold them off to Fox, it would seem as if they got the rights to Surfer the same time, unless they had purchased Surfer seperately on their own and bought up the FF to complement that.

Anyway it is good to hear Alba talking FF3 again, I love this girl. She was out promoting this film in Germany last time I saw her. She deserves a medal.

She is not pretentious at all, she is putting an effort into the film and the franchise and giving it her all.

I just love that.

By the way there is a rumour out there that Cash did not want to commit and that that is the real reason they split.

I don't know Cash but that seems impossible to believe given that they looked so happy, man hollywood is a tough place.

All I can say to Cash is life goes on buddy, and you will survive we hope.

Seriously Hollywood is tough on romance.

Ok, back to boxoffice, I guess that is it then. We made it by the skin of our teeth.

We broke even.

Hurray.

Yes shs is a real work horse when it comes to promoting her movies and yes i know about the last part. his lose is my gain.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Either way, the Fantastic 4 films have underperformed in just about every way. Many fans have been let down, and each film will make less and less.

 

[Spade]

Someday, I'd love to see a faithful F4 film. I just don't know if I'll live that long, and I'm still not sure if Story or FOX is willing to put aside the commercial aspects and give me that.

 

[coreymb16]

FF2 has crossed the 130 million mark which was it budget.

 

[Spade]

That's not really impressive at all. I'm pretty sure that FOX greenlit the franchise's sequel in the first place with the intention that it outdo the gross of the first. From a sheerly business standpoint a sequel would be a leap of faith on the studio's part given the low yield, with a greater success story being built in the Wolverine and Magneto standalones (though I'm not investing much faith in those films either).

 

[Dragon]

We finally crossed the magical mark that makes a film "successful" in the eyes of most studio types. We crossed the production budget price in domestic gross. Now we just need to prove we can do more than that... but I doubt we'll get the opportunity.

Making its production budget back isn't viewed by the studios as a success. And do still bear in mind that Fox isn't getting back 130 million dollars. More like 85 million.

 

[Carp Man]

Yes shs is a real work horse when it comes to promoting her movies and yes i know about the last part. his lose is my gain.

Hey Cash had her for a while. I'd like to have just 1 night. t: Getting back to reality, overseas will carry this movie. I just hope it can get somewhere close to 300 million WW. Then it would only be 30 million under the 1st movie. That would not look too bad.By the way JAL, what is Jess doing in your avy ?

 

[Carp Man]

August 03, 2007

Biggest 'Bourne' Yet! 'Ultimatum' grabs $25.5M Friday for a likely $72M opening weekend; ‘Simpsons’ tumbles to $8M Fri and $25M 3-day, down 66%; ‘Underdog’ a surprise 3rd; ‘Hot Rod’ and ‘Bratz’ bomb!

by Steve Mason


The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal) is already a critical favorite with an amazing 92% Fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes and an 83% Positive score at MetaCritic, but now it is a huge popular success as well. It’s not a surprise to see Ultimatum at the top of the weekend box office heap, but it has far exceeded most expectations. Ultimatum grabbed $25.5M on Friday, which should translate to a staggering $72M opening weekend. That’s easily the best opening in the franchise topping The Bourne Identity’s $27.1M and The Bourne Supremacy’s $52.5M.

Meanwhile, last week’s big winner The Simpsons Movie (Fox) is taking a larger than expected drop after a meteoric $102.9M in its opening 7 days. The big screen version of Fox’s long-running series has added an estimated $8M on Friday, but the animated flick is headed for only $25M or so for the weekend, which is a massive 66% drop from its opening.

Disney’s Underdog, which wasn’t screened for critics, is a surprise third with $4.1M on Friday, and, with a big Saturday and Sunday kiddie bounce, it should have $12.1M banked by Monday morning.

EXCLUSIVE FANTASY MOGULS EARLY FRIDAY ESTIMATES

1. The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal) - $25.5M [$25.5M cume]
2. The Simpsons Movie (Fox) - $8M [$110.9M cume]
3. Underdog (Buena Vista) - $4.1M [$4.1M cume]
4. I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry (Universal) - $3.3M [$84.4M cume]
5. Hairspray - $3M [$72.6M cume]
6. Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix (Warner Bros) - $2.8M [$254.3M cume]
7. No Reservtions - $2.2M [$19.7M cume]
8. Hot Rod (Paramount) - $2M [$2M cume]
9. Bratz - $1.75M [$1.75M cume]
10. Transformers (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $1.7M [$292M cume]

EXCLUSIVE FANTASY MOGULS EARLY 3-DAY ESTIMATES

1. The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal) - $72M [$72M cume]
2. The Simpsons Movie (Fox) - $25M [$127.9M cume]
3. Underdog (Buena Vista) - $12.1M [$12.1M cume]
4. I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry (Universal) - $10.6M [$91.7M cume]
5. Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix (Warner Bros) - $9.7M [$261.2M cume]
6. Hairspray - $9.4M [$79M cume]
7. No Reservtions - $7.1M [$24.6M cume]
8. Transformers (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $6.3M [$296.6M cume]
9. Hot Rod (Paramount) - $5.1M [$5.1M cume]
10. Bratz - $4.4M [$4.4M cume]

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2007/08/biggest-bourne-.html


Note : That's a 74 % drop from last Friday for TSM.

 

[phoenixflight]

It is really ashame that this movie is "justing making it". I really enjoyed this film and felt it deserved more props than what it received. Well, here's hoping for a FF3!! I would still like to see this franchise continue...just not during a summer saturated by huge blockbusters.

 

[Carp Man]

It is really ashame that this movie is "justing making it". I really enjoyed this film and felt it deserved more props than what it received. Well, here's hoping for a FF3!! I would still like to see this franchise continue...just not during a summer saturated by huge blockbusters.

Aggred. It is not a summer blockbuster franchise. A spring, fall, or winter release date would be much better. If that had been done with this movie, it would have done much, much better. It would have at least equaled the 1st one. It made 130 even with all the stiff competition. That's only 24 million off the 1st one. I don't consider that a failure, considering the heavy competition. There was interest, just too many other movies that people wanted to see more. It was just released at the wrong time. Let's look at some facts. FF 2 released June 15th. Following weekend Evan Allmighty. Next weekend Live Free or Die Hard. Next weekend Liscense to Wed, Transformers. Following weekend Harry Potter. It never had a chance.

 

[Kelly]

It is really ashame that this movie is "justing making it". I really enjoyed this film and felt it deserved more props than what it received. Well, here's hoping for a FF3!! I would still like to see this franchise continue...just not during a summer saturated by huge blockbusters.

I think that would definitely help if a sequel does in fact happen...

 

[Carp Man]

Fridays estimates are in :

TBU :

Domestic: $24,500,000 100.0%+ Foreign: n/a 0.0%= Worldwide: $24,500,000

TSM :

Domestic: $111,050,000 50.8%+ Foreign: $107,719,942 49.2%= Worldwide: $218,769,942

HP :

Domestic: $254,155,000 35.9%+ Foreign: $454,000,000 64.1%= Worldwide: $708,155,000

TF's :

Domestic: $291,958,000 53.9%+ Foreign: $249,468,071 46.1%= Worldwide: $541,426,071

 

[Inhuman63]

I already answered this. It doesnt' matter what order the films are made they are all part of the same family of rights.

Thank you. I understand the concept of "family of rights" but not knowing which extraneous characters are involved in the FF family of rights is perplexing. The X-Men family of rights appear very straightforward and the Wolverine and Magneto movies make sense in extending the rights. A Doctor Doom movie would make sense to me in extending the rights for the FF, Silver Surfer does not but hey, that's contracts, studios and negotiations, none of which I have any inside information about. Thanks again.

 

[Kelly]

Thank you. I understand the concept of "family of rights" but not knowing which extraneous characters are involved in the FF family of rights is perplexing. The X-Men family of rights appear very straightforward and the Wolverine and Magneto movies make sense in extending the rights. A Doctor Doom movie would make sense to me in extending the rights for the FF, Silver Surfer does not but hey, that's contracts, studios and negotiations, none of which I have any inside information about. Thanks again.

I could see a Dr. Doom spin off.....but it would have to be a full do over of this character, because Fox royally screwed him from the beginning....

 

[Inhuman63]

I could see a Dr. Doom spin off.....but it would have to be a full do over of this character, because Fox royally screwed him from the beginning....

I could see it also but only as a rise to power in Latveria and him becoming the Doctor Doom that we know.

 

[TheVileOne]

Aggred. It is not a summer blockbuster franchise. A spring, fall, or winter release date would be much better. If that had been done with this movie, it would have done much, much better. It would have at least equaled the 1st one. It made 130 even with all the stiff competition. That's only 24 million off the 1st one. I don't consider that a failure, considering the heavy competition. There was interest, just too many other movies that people wanted to see more. It was just released at the wrong time. Let's look at some facts. FF 2 released June 15th. Following weekend Evan Allmighty. Next weekend Live Free or Die Hard. Next weekend Liscense to Wed, Transformers. Following weekend Harry Potter. It never had a chance.

This excuse has gotten old and tired. You say it's not a summer blockbuster franchise, but the first movie through all the terrible reviews and the fan disappointment still managed over $150 million in the US.

You know what that means? I feel that if the movies were done a lot better, they would've performed even better as well.

As for the stiff competition, it was there in 2005. People with short attention spans might not remember at the time, but War of the Worlds had huge hype and it's release was a big deal. There were plenty of others. Batman Begins. Wedding Crashers. Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

People need to stop acting like BO competition didn't exist nor didn't happen in 2005.

 

[Carp Man]

This excuse has gotten old and tired. You say it's not a summer blockbuster franchise, but the first movie through all the terrible reviews and the fan disappointment still managed over $150 million in the US.

You know what that means? I feel that if the movies were done a lot better, they would've performed even better as well.

As for the stiff competition, it was there in 2005. People with short attention spans might not remember at the time, but War of the Worlds had huge hype and it's release was a big deal. There were plenty of others. Batman Begins. Wedding Crashers. Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

People need to stop acting like BO competition didn't exist nor didn't happen in 2005.

Really ? Let's see which compentition was stronger. WOTW was released 9 days before FF. WC, and CATCF, FF's 2nd weekend. For the next 4 weekends you had nothing big open. You had Bad News Bears 3rd weekend, Must Love Dogs 4th weekend, The Dukes of Hazzards the 5th weekend, and Deuce Bigalo 6th weekend. FF 2 had Evan Almighty 2nd weekend. Live Free or Die hard 3rd weekend. Licence to Wed, and Transformers 4th weekend. Then Harry Potter 5 5th weekend.The Bourne Ultimatium 6th weekend. Don't sit there and tell me the competition was not way, way, way, tougher for FF 2, then FF. Don't let your bias get in the way of the facts. So no it is not overused, it is not an excuse, it happens to be fact. Considering the competition, 130 is pretty good. Oh forgot The Simpsons Movie. Add that in there with the rest.

So let's see :

FF
CATCF, and WC
Bad News Bears
Must Love Dogs
Dukes of Hazzard
Deuce Bigalo

FF 2
Evan Almighty
Live Free Or Die Hard
Licence To Wed
Transformers
Harry Potter 5
The Bourne Ultimatium
The Simpson Movie


You do the math. Then tell me again, which FF movie had the stiffer compentition. I never said FF had no competition, but FF 2 had way more.

 

[TheVileOne]

Really ? Let's see which compentition was stronger. WOTW was released 9 days before FF. WC, and CATCF, FF's 2nd weekend. For the next 4 weekends you had nothing big open. You had Bad News Bears 3rd weekend, Must Love Dogs 4th weekend, The Dukes of Hazzards the 5th weekend, and Deuce Bigalo 6th weekend. FF 2 had Evan Almighty 2nd weekend. Live Free or Die hard 3rd weekend. Licence to Wed, and Transformers 4th weekend. Then Harry Potter 5 5th weekend.The Bourne Ultimatium 6th weekend. Don't sit there and tell me the competition was not way, way, way, tougher for FF 2, then FF. Don't let your bias get in the way of the facts. So no it is not overused, it is not an excuse, it happens to be fact. Considering the competition, 130 is pretty good. Oh forgot The Simpsons Movie. Add that in there with the rest.

Yeah and EVAN ALMIGHTY overtaking it with as small of an opening as it had was pretty pathetic. License to Wed didn't make a dent at all. If this was a better movie that captured the minds of critics and fans alike, it would've totally owned that second weekend before movies like Transformers, Die Hard, and the rest came along.

WC and CATCF were big movies with big openings and should not be ignored for it's second weekend.

The competition was there in 2005, and it still performed better despite bad reviews and word of mouth. It was sandwiched between Batman Begins, War of The Worlds, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. So don't twist things and act like it wasn't a competitive summer.

So let's see :

FF
CATCF, and WC
Bad News Bears
Must Love Dogs
Dukes of Hazzard
Deuce Bigalo

War of The Worlds, which it's very release caused FF to move from opening on the 4th of July. Batman Begins which was doing very well with the critics and word of mouth with audiences at the time.

And if you are going to include the crappy comedies and the crappy comedies that bombed like Deuce Bigalow than you've forgotten the following:

Bewitched
Sky High
Herbie Fully Loaded

FF 2
Evan Almighty
Live Free Or Die Hard
Licence To Wed
Transformers
Harry Potter 5
The Bourne Ultimatium
The Simpson Movie

You do the math. Then tell me again, which FF movie had the stiffer compentition. I never said FF had no competition, but FF 2 had way more.

Don't forget Knocked Up.

Yup and it failed to make a better dent since it's a pretty dull and forgettable summer movie. You are the one saying these movies can't be released over the summer. The first movie's performance proves that they can. The second movie proves that when there are BETTER movies out, people are going to toss it into the trash even quicker. After Fox did not go through great lengths in correcting the mistakes and making a better movie.

 

[Carp Man]

Yeah and EVAN ALMIGHTY overtaking it with as small of an opening as it had was pretty pathetic. License to Wed didn't make a dent at all. If this was a better movie that captured the minds of critics and fans alike, it would've totally owned that second weekend before movies like Transformers, Die Hard, and the rest came along.

WC and CATCF were big movies with big openings and should not be ignored for it's second weekend.

The competition was there in 2005, and it still performed better despite bad reviews and word of mouth. It was sandwiched between Batman Begins, War of The Worlds, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. So don't twist things and act like it wasn't a competitive summer.



War of The Worlds, which it's very release caused FF to move from opening on the 4th of July. Batman Begins which was doing very well with the critics and word of mouth with audiences at the time.

And if you are going to include the crappy comedies and the crappy comedies that bombed like Deuce Bigalow than you've forgotten the following:

Bewitched
Sky High
Herbie Fully Loaded



Don't forget Knocked Up.

Yup and it failed to make a better dent since it's a pretty dull and forgettable summer movie. You are the one saying these movies can't be released over the summer. The first movie's performance proves that they can. The second movie proves that when there are BETTER movies out, people are going to toss it into the trash even quicker. After Fox did not go through great lengths in correcting the mistakes and making a better movie.

Competition. Not dull, and not forgetable. Since we know you don't like it, we consider the source. Fact is other than WC, and CATCF, there were no other big competition for FF, period. FF 2 had big competition out the ying yang. So go peddle your balogna somewhere else, because your full of it. There were 5 major movie openings with FF 2 to 1 for FF. WC was a surprise hit. You absolutly make me laugh out loud. FF 2 no better then FF. Please.

 

[tviceman]

FF 2
Evan Almighty
Live Free Or Die Hard
Licence To Wed
Transformers
Harry Potter 5
The Bourne Ultimatium
The Simpson Movie


You do the math. Then tell me again, which FF movie had the stiffer compentition. I never said FF had no competition, but FF 2 had way more.

The movies in bold weren't F42's main competition. Die Hard and Evan Almighty were. Die Hard won't make $150 million, and Evan Almight will barely clear $100 million. To me, that's not very stiff competition. FF2 dropped 67% in it's second weekend against movies that will not gross $200 million. By it's third weekend it was already under $10 million. At that point, F42 wasn't yet competing with Transformers, Potter, License to Wed, The Simpsons, or Bourne Ultimatum. So to say competition hurt F42 is somewhat of an exaggeration and poor excuse as to why the film didn't do well.

 

[Kelly]

This summer was a summer of competition all the way around.....the only movie that goes against the grain is Transformers, (something very different, from what was being shown this summer)....other than that if the movie was not from a proven franchise, it did under its estimates, hell even the proven franchises underperformed, they were just lucky that underperforming meant they didn't hit a billion...lol.....to say that the competition this summer for people's money and time was not more than the summer of 2005 is just ignorant. How much it affected the BO of FF2, among other things.....no one knows....but the competition was stiff for ALL.

 

[Sardaukar]

I tell you if Transformers doesn't shape up, it's sequel is ALSO going to underperform. I've never heard of a more overrated, mediocre flick....all flash and no substance...wtf....

 

[GL's Light]

The competition was very stiff this summer, probably the stiffest ever, but FF 2 had a second weekend with much less competition (facing Evan Almighty and 1408) than most of the other weekends in the May-July frame, yet it still suffered a very steep second weekend drop. It then continued to drop by more than 50% for four weekends in a row after that, a dropoff pattern far worse than any other major release this summer.

 

[Mr. Socko]

FF1 made more cash because people were expecting it to be good. FF2 made less cash because of people's bad reaction to FF1.


Anyway, Hot Rod and Bratz have bombed lmao. Surprised Underdog got number 3!