Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[TheVileOne]

The movies in bold weren't F42's main competition. Die Hard and Evan Almighty were. Die Hard won't make $150 million, and Evan Almight will barely clear $100 million. To me, that's not very stiff competition. FF2 dropped 67% in it's second weekend against movies that will not gross $200 million. By it's third weekend it was already under $10 million. At that point, F42 wasn't yet competing with Transformers, Potter, License to Wed, The Simpsons, or Bourne Ultimatum. So to say competition hurt F42 is somewhat of an exaggeration and poor excuse as to why the film didn't do well.

Another good point.

It's huge dropoff came off it's second weekend before all that "stiff competition."

Evan Almighty which everyone thought was going to bomb (and pretty much did) still over took FF 2.

 

[highguard]

^^ Huh, Evan has not overtaken FF2, it stands at 97 million as of August 2nd.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=evanalmighty.htm

Sometimes bias can influence statements and the facts get obscured as we play fast and loose.

The FF has made back its budget and it is safe to say that if it can add another 40-60 million a sequel will be likely, I think.

More importantly this franchise is shooting itself in the foot by the actions of the studio. Just about every major error could have been avoided. I read recently that one of the producers said that they made a concerted effort to obtain the pg rating, which I loved but is that why all the action sequences seem to lack any true danger, tension and drama. Julian said they asked him to tone it down........hmmmmm. Tim Story, this was a mistake.

A suggestion on how to win the fans over, if such a thing is still possible at this stage. Give us a full thing brow, with shorts (fix his toe problems), 2 and a half hours for the third movie, not a minute less. Give Reed and Sue a baby, adapt a story from the comics without any major changes and let us know that that is what you are aiming for.

Finally eat some humble pie and acknowledge that Lee and Kirby were geniuses and their work needs little tweaking, and that that is where you guys have been losing money. Right now people are so angry they need something to take that emotion away.

Of course it may not matter now.

The silence on a sequel is quite deafening.

I now know how the X-men fans feel about Fox, i mean really, this studio and its execs are demonstrating extremely poor integrity.

This is never a good thing in business or any sphere of life, something has to give.

 

[Advanced Dark]

This first Fantastic Four interpretation is mainly for kids. That's just the way it is. Enjoy it for wha tit is now...we'll get a different version down the road.

 

[scabab]

people cant be disappointed by FF2 making less than FF1 dom

all the sequels underperformed

 

[Carp Man]

August 04, 2007

'Bourne' adds $25.97M on Saturday; 'Ultimatum' headed for $70M+ opening; 'Simpsons' down 66% from opening weekend; 'Underdog' w/$4.12M Saturday; 'Hot Rod' and 'Bratz' with Saturday drops; 'El Cantante' targets $2.76M opening weekend

by Steve Mason

SATURDAY NIGHT: The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal) got a 6% 2nd-day bump in ticket sales as the Paul Greengrass/Matt Damon thriller grabbed an estimated $25.97M on Saturday. A conservative 20% Sunday drop will nudge Ultimatum past $70M for an estimated $71.25M. I suspect that when the actuals come in on Monday, my Friday night target of $72M will be right on.

The Simpsons Movie (Fox) continued to struggle in its 2nd weekend adding just $9.6M. My Friday night target of $25M for the weekend looks about right. Underdog (Buena Vista) only increased 2% Friday-to-Saturday, and the Disney family film now looks like it will have banked an estimated $11.1M by Monday morning. I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry (Universal), Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix (Warner Bros) and Hairspray (New Line) have finished 4-5-6 for Saturday, and that is also the order of finish for the weekend.

Paramount’s poorly-reviewed Hot Rod dipped 11% on Saturday for an approximate $1.73M. That should translate to a 9th-place weekend finish with $5M. Bratz from Lionsgate was down 14% from Friday, and the preteen girl-targeted film managed only $1.48M on its 2nd day of release. Bratz will be #11 for the weekend with a dismal $4.2M. Meanwhile, El Cantante (Picturehouse), the Jennifer Lopez-produced biopic about salsa king Hector Lavoe, delivered another $1.1M Saturday on just 546 screens. Its weekend take will be an estimated $2.87M, which may warrant an expansion in coming weeks.

EXCLUSIVE FANTASY MOGULS EARLY SATURDAY ESTIMATES
1. The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal) - $25.97M [$50.4M cume]
2. The Simpsons Movie (Fox) - $9.64M [$120.6M cume]
3. Underdog (Buena Vista) - $4.18M [$8.2M cume]
4. I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry (Universal) - $4.01M [$88.4M cume]
5. Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix (Warner Bros) - $3.79M [$257.9M cume]
6. Hairspray - $3.51M [$76.1M cume]
7. No Reservations - $2.56M [$22.2M cume]
8. Transformers (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $2.37M [$294.3M cume]
9. Hot Rod (Paramount) - $1.73M [$3.6M cume]
10. Ratatouille (Buena Vista) - $1.57M [$187M cume]
11. Bratz - $1.48M [$3.2M cume]
12. El Cantante - $1.1M [$2.1M cume]
13. Live Free or Die Hard (Fox) - $870,000 [$129.5M cume]
14. I Know Who Killed Me (Sony) - $418,000 [$5.8M cume]
15. Who’s Your Caddy? (MGM/Weinstein) - $384,000 [$4.3M cume]
16. Becoming Jane (Miramax) - $375,000 [$693,000 cume]
17. Talk to Me (Focus) - $274,500 [$2.6M cume]
18. Rescue Dawn (MGM) - $223,500 [$4M cume]
19. Sicko (Lionsgate/Weinstein) - $188,300 [$22.4M cume]
20. Sunshine (Fox Searchlight) - $183,000 [$2.5M cume]
21. Shrek the Third (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $163,800 [$
22. Once (Fox Searchlight) - $116,375 [$6.4M cume]320.5M cume]
23. Knocked Up (Universa) - $129,000 [$146M cume]
24. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Fox) - $105,300 [$130.1M cume]
25. La Vie En Rose (Picturehouse) - $100,500 [$8.5M cume]
26. Nancy Drew (Warner Bros) - $97,300 [$25.1M cume]
27. Evan Almighty (Universal) - $71,000 [$97.1M cume]
28. 1408 (MGM/Weinstein) - $57,200 [$70.5M cume]
29. My Best Friend (IFC Films) - $57,000 [$567,000 cume]
30. License to Wed (Warner Bros) - $48,250 [$42.5M cume]
31. Oceans Thirteen (Warner Bros) - $47,300 [$115.8M cume]
32. The Ten (Thinkfilm) - $46,000 [$84,600 cume]
33. Waitress (Fox Searchlight) - $33,500 [$18.5M cume]
34. Cash (AdLabs) - $24,200 [$40,000 cume]
35. Arctic Tale (Paramount Vantage) - $23,650 [$84,200 cume]
36. Mr. Brooks (MGM) - $19,000 [$28.4M cume]
37. Disturbia (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $16,000 [$80.1M cume]
38. A Mighty Heart (Paramount Vantage) - $12,600 [$9.1M cume]
39. Introducing the Dwights (Warner Independent) - $5,900 [$350,000 cume]

EXCLUSIVE FANTASY MOGULS REVISED 3-DAY ESTIMATES
1. The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal) - $72M [$72M cume]
2. The Simpsons Movie (Fox) - $25M [$127.9M cume]
3. Underdog (Buena Vista) - $11.1M [$11.1M cume]
4. I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry (Universal) - $10.4M [$91.5M cume]
5. Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix (Warner Bros) - $9.45M [$260.9M cume]
6. Hairspray - $9.15M [$78.7M cume]
7. No Reservations - $6.5M [$24M cume]
8. Transformers (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $6.1M [$296.4M cume]
9. Hot Rod (Paramount) - $5M [$5M cume]
10. Bratz - $4.2M [$4.2M cume]
11. Ratatouille (Buena Vista) - $4M [$188.3M cume]
12. El Cantante - $2.87M [$2.87M cume]
13. Live Free or Die Hard (Fox) - $2.1M [$130.1M cume]
14. I Know Who Killed Me (Sony) - $1.1M [$6.1M cume]
15. Becoming Jane (Miramax) - $975,000 [$975,000 cume]
16. Who’s Your Caddy ? (MGM/Weinstein) - $900,000 [$4.6M cume]
17. Talk to Me (Focus) - $647,000 [$2.8M cume]
18. Rescue Dawn (MGM) - $543,000 [$4.2M cume]
19. Sunshine (Fox Searchlight) - $460,000 [$2.6M cume]
20. Sicko (Lionsgate/Weinstein) - $455,000 [$22.6M cume]
21. Shrek the Third (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $407,500 [$320.6M cume]
22. Knocked Up (Universa) - $306,000 [$146M cume]
23. Once (Fox Searchlight) - $271,000 [$6.5M cume]
24. Nancy Drew (Warner Bros) - $256,000 [$25.1M cume]
25. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Fox) - $254,000 [$130.2M cume]
26. La Vie En Rose (Picturehouse) - $237,000 [$8.6M cume]
27. Evan Almighty (Universal) - $175,500 [$97.1M cume]
28. 1408 (MGM/Weinstein) - $140,000 [$70.6M cume]
29. My Best Friend (IFC Films) - $130,300 [$607,000 cume]
30. License to Wed (Warner Bros) - $122,000 [$42.5M cume]
31. The Ten (Thinkfilm) - $117,000 [$117,000 cume]
32. Oceans Thirteen (Warner Bros) - $109,000 [$115.8M cume]
33. Waitress (Fox Searchlight) - $76,000 [$18.6M cume]
34. Arctic Tale (Paramount Vantage) - $68,300 [$107,400 cume]
35. Cash (AdLabs) - $57,000 [$57,000 cume]
36. Mr. Brooks (MGM) - $48,000 [$28.4M cume]
37. Disturbia (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $39,500 [$80.1M cume]
38. A Mighty Heart (Paramount Vantage) - $32,000 [$9.1M cume]
39. Introducing the Dwights (Warner Independent) - $14,800 [$355,000 cume]

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2007/08/biggest-bourne-.html

 

[Carp Man]

Tviceman, and Vile, we will consider the source. Anyone who says, and anyone who supports the FF 2's competition, was weeker then FF's therory, and the reason it has underperformed is soley because the 1st one was not good, has got rocks in their head, and a huge bias. The competition was a hell of a lot more fierce, and doing 130 dispite that is good. Release this film another time of the year, and it would do as well if not better than the 1st. Right movie, better movie, wrong release time. It's not a summertime block buster franchise, and Marvel, or Fox had better realise that.

 

[Carp Man]

people cant be disappointed by FF2 making less than FF1 dom

all the sequels underperformed

Some people can, but that is to be expected. No big surprise there. It has done well considering the tough summer schedule. Anyone who sits back, and takes an unbiased look will see that.

 

[TheVileOne]

^^ Huh, Evan has not overtaken FF2, it stands at 97 million as of August 2nd.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=evanalmighty.htm

On it's opening weekend it did. Which is sad.

Sometimes bias can influence statements and the facts get obscured as we play fast and loose.

The FF has made back its budget and it is safe to say that if it can add another 40-60 million a sequel will be likely, I think.

You honestly don't know how much it's really made back. The movie has made $130 million in the US which is what the movie's reported production cost was.

people cant be disappointed by FF2 making less than FF1 dom

all the sequels underperformed

Live Free or Die Hard, Harry Potter And The Order of the Phoenix, and The Bourne Ultimatum say hello.

 

[Carp Man]

Weekend estimates are up :

TBU : $ 70.181

Domestic: $70,181,000 100.0%+ Foreign: n/a 0.0%= Worldwide: $70,181,000

TSM : $ 25.6

Domestic: $128,550,000 54.4%+ Foreign: $107,719,942 45.6%= Worldwide: $236,269,942

HP : $ 9.285

Domestic: $260,790,000 33.8%+ Foreign: $509,700,000 66.2%= Worldwide: $770,490,000

TF's : $ 5.950

Domestic: $296,308,000 54.3%+ Foreign: $249,468,071 45.7%= Worldwide: $545,776,071

 

[WorthyStevens]

Tviceman, and Vile, we will consider the source. Anyone who says, and anyone who supports the FF 2's competition, was weeker then FF's therory, and the reason it has underperformed is soley because the 1st one was not good, has got rocks in their head, and a huge bias. The competition was a hell of a lot more fierce, and doing 130 dispite that is good. Release this film another time of the year, and it would do as well if not better than the 1st. Right movie, better movie, wrong release time. It's not a summertime block buster franchise, and Marvel, or Fox had better realise that.

Yes, it is.

And the competition being fierce excuse is getting old. A majority of movies did well, and some even better than expected. FF2 making less than it's predecessor has nothing to do with the other movies surrounding it. Look at Ocean's 13. It took a 45% hit when FF2 was released. Live Free or Die Hard against Transformers, a 47% decline. And Transformers had a 48% dip up against Harry Potter. But FF2 against Evan Almighty? A 66% hit.. Tell me why the above movies had a sub-50% fall against competition while FF2 had such a sharp decline?

 

[Kelly]

Yes, it is.

And the competition being fierce excuse is getting old. A majority of movies did well, and some even better than expected. FF2 making less than it's predecessor has nothing to do with the other movies surrounding it. Look at Ocean's 13. It took a 45% hit when FF2 was released. Live Free or Die Hard against Transformers, a 47% decline. And Transformers had a 48% dip up against Harry Potter. But FF2 against Evan Almighty? A 66% hit.. Tell me why the above movies had a sub-50% fall against competition while FF2 had such a sharp decline?

His giving that reason, is no more tiring than you guys disputing it every damn time he says it.....at least he's on the forum where the movie is talked about, where its fans tend to be. He's a fan......thats the bottomline.......you're not thats the bottomline.......if thats how he feels then so be it. If Dragon came by and said he disputed Carp, that would not be near as "old" as you guys that didn't follow the movie until you saw that it underperformed. THAT is extremely tiring....so if you don't like how he sees it.........then move on.

Carp irritates the hell outta me....and he knows it. But he doesn't irritate me near as much as "vultures" that simply go to forums of movies that underperform....and ***** about those that enjoyed it, and have different opinions on the reasons for the performance than you have.....

 

[Carp Man]

Live Free or Die Hard, Harry Potter And The Order of the Phoenix, and The Bourne Ultimatum say hello.

You keep making eronious statements.

Die Hard With A Vengeance. 1995. $ 100,012,499. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 151,283,274. Die Hard or Live Free $ 130,246,000. Sequel less then the last movie.

Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire. 2005 $ 290,013,036. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 298,169,652. Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix $ 260,790,000 to date. Sequel less then the last movie.

The Bourne Supremacy. 2004. $ 176,241,941. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 186,742,669. We'll have to see about the sequel.

So as useual you are all wet. It's the year of sequels underperforming their predisessors. It's not just FF 2. See Spider-Man 3 compaired to Spider-Man 2, and Pirates 3 compaired to Pirates 2, for further examples

 

[Carp Man]

Yes, it is.

And the competition being fierce excuse is getting old. A majority of movies did well, and some even better than expected. FF2 making less than it's predecessor has nothing to do with the other movies surrounding it. Look at Ocean's 13. It took a 45% hit when FF2 was released. Live Free or Die Hard against Transformers, a 47% decline. And Transformers had a 48% dip up against Harry Potter. But FF2 against Evan Almighty? A 66% hit.. Tell me why the above movies had a sub-50% fall against competition while FF2 had such a sharp decline?

No it's not getting old, it's you refuse to accept the facts of the situation. You and Vile both are cut from the same cloth. You let your bias get in the way of the facts.

 

[Kelly]

Actually Carp, all three of you are cut from the same cloth. You guys are just on opposite sides. You're all biased out the butt.

 

[tviceman]

Tviceman, and Vile, we will consider the source. Anyone who says, and anyone who supports the FF 2's competition, was weeker then FF's therory, and the reason it has underperformed is soley because the 1st one was not good, has got rocks in their head, and a huge bias.

F42 opening weekend:
F42: $58 million
Ocean's 13: $19.7 million
Nancy Drew: $6.8 million

Explain to me how, on F42's opening weekend, competition was stiff and resulted in F42 drawing a SMALLER opening audience than F41.

F42 second weekend:
Evan Almight: $31 million
F42: $20 million

Explain to me how, in face of a movie that has clearly bombed at the box office, stiff competition resulted in F42 dropping 65.5% in it's second weekend?

F42's fourth weekend:
Transformers: $70.5 million
F42: $4.2 million

Explain to me how, at this point, it really matters what movies are released when F42's disappointing run is already sealed?

The point that I'm trying to make is that comeptition exists no matter when the movie is released, and competition can't be blamed for the main reason F42 was disappointing. F41 was not a good movie and F42 is basically too similar to F41 in it's tone and feel.

 

[Kelly]

F42 opening weekend:
F42: $58 million
Ocean's 13: $19.7 million
Nancy Drew: $6.8 million

Explain to me how, on F42's opening weekend, competition was stiff and resulted in F42 drawing a SMALLER opening audience than F41.

F42 second weekend:
Evan Almight: $31 million
F42: $20 million

Explain to me how, in face of a movie that has clearly bombed at the box office, stiff competition resulted in F42 dropping 65.5% in it's second weekend?

F42's fourth weekend:
Transformers: $70.5 million
F42: $4.2 million

Explain to me how, at this point, it really matters what movies are released when F42's disappointing run is already sealed?

The point that I'm trying to make is that comeptition exists no matter when the movie is released, and competition can't be blamed for the main reason F42 was disappointing. F41 was not a good movie and F42 is basically too similar to F41 in it's tone and feel.

Is it the ONLY reason for the poor performance.....no................but it is certainly one of the reasons, among several.


Look, you either liked the movie, loved the movie, disliked the movie or hated the movie.....who the hell cares why. If you liked it awesome.....if you didn't, then why the hell aren't you spending time on a movie forum of a movie you did enjoy, or are looking forward to.

 

[tviceman]

You keep making eronious statements.

Die Hard With A Vengeance. 1995. $ 100,012,499. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 151,283,274. Die Hard or Live Free $ 130,246,000. Sequel less then the last movie.

Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire. 2005 $ 290,013,036. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 298,169,652. Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix $ 260,790,000 to date. Sequel less then the last movie.

The Bourne Supremacy. 2004. $ 176,241,941. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 186,742,669. We'll have to see about the sequel.

So as useual you are all wet. It's the year of sequels underperforming their predisessors. It's not just FF 2. See Spider-Man 3 compaired to Spider-Man 2, and Pirates 3 compaired to Pirates 2, for further examples

Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, and Shrek 3 (for that matter) all underperformed because all three movies were either just ok or flat out terrible.


Bourne will likely meet it's previous movie's adjusted #'s, and Potter will likely come within 5% of it's previous film. By this point in time in the year you'd think people would be just burned out on going to the movies because of all the horrendous competition.... but when Bourne and Potter holds up vs. it's past movies, how can you say competition affected F42 but not Potter and Bourne?

 

[tviceman]

Is it the ONLY reason for the poor performance.....no................but it is certainly one of the reasons, among several.


Look, you either liked the movie, loved the movie, disliked the movie or hated the movie.....who the hell cares why. If you liked it awesome.....if you didn't, then why the hell aren't you spending time on a movie forum of a movie you did enjoy, or are looking forward to.

When did I ever say I didn't like the movie? On the contrary I thought it was quite enjoyable but definitely had alot of flaws. It was better than Spiderman 3, and Spiderman to me is Fantastic Four to Carp.

 

[tviceman]

Is it the ONLY reason for the poor performance.....no................but it is certainly one of the reasons, among several.

You are the voice of reason. That's pretty much what I'm trying to say, but I'm going a little further by saying competition isn't the #1 reason for it's subpar performance.

 

[Carp Man]

His giving that reason, is no more tiring than you guys disputing it every damn time he says it.....at least he's on the forum where the movie is talked about, where its fans tend to be. He's a fan......thats the bottomline.......you're not thats the bottomline.......if thats how he feels then so be it. If Dragon came by and said he disputed Carp, that would not be near as "old" as you guys that didn't follow the movie until you saw that it underperformed. THAT is extremely tiring....so if you don't like how he sees it.........then move on.

Carp irritates the hell outta me....and he knows it. But he doesn't irritate me near as much as "vultures" that simply go to forums of movies that underperform....and ***** about those that enjoyed it, and have different opinions on the reasons for the performance than you have.....

We agree. Where were they opening weekend when it was doing pretty good ? Nowhere to be found, none of them. Then when the bottom falls out, they come around like ambulance chasers. Why I discount anything they have to say.

 

[WorthyStevens]

No it's not getting old, it's you refuse to accept the facts of the situation. You and Vile both are cut from the same cloth. You let your bias get in the way of the facts.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Carp irritates the hell outta me....and he knows it. But he doesn't irritate me near as much as "vultures" that simply go to forums of movies that underperform....and ***** about those that enjoyed it, and have different opinions on the reasons for the performance than you have.....

I'm not a vulture. I've made posts in other threads aside from this one on this particular forum, just not for awhile. And I did like the movie, as I've expressed it on here, and thought it was tons better than the first. But I'm just being honest about what I'm seeing with it's BO here. To set things straight, I've never once said this movie had a horrible performance, just that it's a disappointment.

 

[Carp Man]

You are the voice of reason. That's pretty much what I'm trying to say, but I'm going a little further by saying competition isn't the #1 reason for it's subpar performance.

No it is not the # 1 reason, but it is a deff factor. And those who say it is not, have blinders on.

 

[Kelly]

When did I ever say I didn't like the movie? On the contrary I thought it was quite enjoyable but definitely had alot of flaws. It was better than Spiderman 3, and Spiderman to me is Fantastic Four to Carp.

Not saying anyone has said one way or the other.....it was more of a general statement, not necessarily to you specifically.......I don't remember seeing your thoughts of the movie in the rate and review thread....so I only had the posts here....after the movie was showing an underperformance to go by....

 

[Kelly]

Pot. Kettle. Black.



I'm not a vulture. I've made posts in other threads aside from this one on this particular forum, just not for awhile. And I did like the movie, as I've expressed it on here, and thought it was tons better than the first. But I'm just being honest about what I'm seeing with it's BO here. To set things straight, I've never once said this movie had a horrible performance, just that it's a disappointment.

Really? hmmmmm.....don't remember your review or rating on any other threads....seems to just be this one.....so thats what I go by. It does seem you wait for a Carp post to say "anything".....hence the vulture comment.....my apologies if you don't think it applies.

 

[Carp Man]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

I am biased, but unlike some I admit it. If I don't like it for whatever reason seems right to me, I'll tell you from the gate. If Vile, and you want to come and say I hate the FF 2 movie, I hate the FF franchise that would be ok. You just want to come and argue. Come out of the closet, and let your real intentions be known. Tell us how you really feel about the FF franchise, and Marvel in general. Stop being wussies.