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Yes, I know that it is early, yet Batman II promises to make more money than any Batman Film.
Let's crunch some numbers shall we?
BATMAN:----------Nationwide---$251,188,924---Worldwide---$413,200,000
BATMAN RETURNS: Nationwide---$162,831,698---Worldwide---$282,800,000
BATMAN FOREVER: Nationwide---$184,031,112---Worldwide---$335,000,000
BATMAN & ROBIN: Nationwide---$107,285,004---Worldwide---$237,200,000
BATMAN BEGINS*: Nationwide---$154,146,000---Worldwide---$268,100,000
*note, all BATMAN BEGINS numbers are growing.
Well, BATMAN BEGINS was the first Batman film in eight years, correct? Yes, and BATMAN BEGINS, centered entirely around the title character, for once. Yet, it has not appealed to the wide audience that we had hoped for it to have had. Also, its box office numbers, while solid, are not terrific. The movie is enjoying critical success, and is taking a great path through word of mouth. It is being endorsed as the "film of the year" by many of the top critics.
There are many excuses as to why the film isn't enjoying such lucrative success such as the Spider-man franchise. Lets face it, very few movies can compete with these numbers:
SPIDER-MAN: Nationwide---$403,706,375---Worldwide---$806,700,000
SPIDER-MAN 2:Nationwide---$373,377,893---Worldwide---$783,577,893
SPIDER-MAN is the number six highest grossing movie off all time in the United States as well as the twelfth highest grossing film worldwide. SPIDER-MAN 2 is the eighth highest grossing film in the states and the fifteenth highest worldwide. These numbers are damn near impossible to compete with.
Yes, the excuses have been given as to why BATMAN BEGINS should have put up numbers like SPIDER-MAN and SPIDER-MAN 2. Batman is DCs premiere property, he is an icon, Its a great film, terrific cast, ITS BATMAN!. There are tons of excuses and yet there are explanations as to why it didnt do as well.
The Spider-man films had villains such as Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus. These are very marketable villains, and Doctor Octopus is a very iconic villain, almost as much as the Joker. These villains were very marketable and really great attention grabbers for fans and non-fans alike.
BATMAN BEGINS, did not have the marketable villains that Spider-mans franchise has had. Ras Al Ghul, Carmine Falcone, and Scarecrow are not names that the public is familiar with, and that is a good thing. This allowed the fist film to build a foundation for future movies on the premise that it is Batmans franchise. These, while being solid villains, some of the best in Batmans rouges gallery they are not visually interesting (with the exclusion of Scarecrow).
Then there is the fact that Batman had FOUR, other onscreen interpretations in the last sixteen years. Spider-man had NEVER had an onscreen adaptation. All Marvel fans had had onscreen (that were successful) were BLADE(1999) and X-MEN (2000).
Say what you will about FANTASTIC FOUR being the flagship of Marvel, Spider-man is the most iconic Marvel character, bar none.
It wasn't a matter of year, but fans entire lives that they had been waiting for this Spider-man film. This site (formerly the SpidermanHype!) is proof of the anticipation.
Batman fans before BATMAN BEGINS, had four other films, serials, an amazing Animated Series, and a campy 60s show and film. Batman fans had had their fill, and the non-fans had seen Bat-mania several times before.
Then there is the final reason, the ghost. The ghost of a franchise that disappointed on many levels. While some say BATMAN was a great film, I disagree; it was a fine attempt to depict Batman. It did its job and served its purpose to get the ball rolling, it was a solid onscreen adaptation, it had a marketable villain, but that was also the downfall. The villain became the movie.
With the second film, some say it was a great artistic approach, which it was. Yet, it was not Batman. This film, BATMAN RETURNS began the death of the franchise, great villains, wasted. Characters swallowed by their gimmicks. Cries from soccer moms that said it didnt deserve a PG-13 rating.
The movie was then toned down in the third installment and became the second highest grossing film in the franchise, and was critically acclaimed as the revival of the franchise. Had it not been over hashed by the WB, Schumaker may have delivered the best Batman film of its time.
Angry with the executives decisions Schumaker saw the over editing as a slap in the face to his artistic vision therefore he slapped Batman in the face. He slapped us all with BATMAN & ROBIN. This was the death of the revival. It was also the death of the franchise.
For eight long years, fans have waited for the film of their lives, while non-fans made Batman the butt of every holy joke. Nipples, campiness, and everything in-between.
Then came BATMAN BEGINS, a dark tale of the beginnings of the Dark Knight.
Yet, some people were tired of seeing Batman, and then there is the fact that the fact that the Box office is in a HUGE slump anyway.
More people are concerned with their DVD collections. As Jett posted, once the DVD comes out it will make a lot more money. Also, it will be more accessible, and the wider audience will watch it on their own time making it more convenient for them to see BATMAN BEGINS for the first time.
Once they see the end of the film, and see what is to come, they will undoubtedly be excited to see the follow-up. Also, with the quality of filmmaking and the story of the film, it will get peoples attention.
This takes us to the title of the thread. With all of the positive buzz around the first film, and with the fact that people are going to realize that this is a restart, it will make even more buzz for the follow up film.
This film will also sport the most marketable and popular villain of all time. Plus the strong possibility a big time star, and great actor playing the role. BATMAN CONTINUES (which I guess for now is the unofficial title) promises to be the biggest Batman film yet.
With factors like the villain, the actors, and the first films success, critically, and praise from the fans and non fans alike, will lead to a new fan base: of the movies.
(NOTE: I did not argue at all that BATMAN BEGINS is better than either of the Spider-man films, or worse. I just compared the financial numbers of the films. I actually stake the claim that the next Batman film has the potential to post numbers in the same area code as the Spider-man films.)
For those of you that have taken the time to read all of this, thanks.
-R
Let's crunch some numbers shall we?
BATMAN:----------Nationwide---$251,188,924---Worldwide---$413,200,000
BATMAN RETURNS: Nationwide---$162,831,698---Worldwide---$282,800,000
BATMAN FOREVER: Nationwide---$184,031,112---Worldwide---$335,000,000
BATMAN & ROBIN: Nationwide---$107,285,004---Worldwide---$237,200,000
BATMAN BEGINS*: Nationwide---$154,146,000---Worldwide---$268,100,000
*note, all BATMAN BEGINS numbers are growing.
Well, BATMAN BEGINS was the first Batman film in eight years, correct? Yes, and BATMAN BEGINS, centered entirely around the title character, for once. Yet, it has not appealed to the wide audience that we had hoped for it to have had. Also, its box office numbers, while solid, are not terrific. The movie is enjoying critical success, and is taking a great path through word of mouth. It is being endorsed as the "film of the year" by many of the top critics.
There are many excuses as to why the film isn't enjoying such lucrative success such as the Spider-man franchise. Lets face it, very few movies can compete with these numbers:
SPIDER-MAN: Nationwide---$403,706,375---Worldwide---$806,700,000
SPIDER-MAN 2:Nationwide---$373,377,893---Worldwide---$783,577,893
SPIDER-MAN is the number six highest grossing movie off all time in the United States as well as the twelfth highest grossing film worldwide. SPIDER-MAN 2 is the eighth highest grossing film in the states and the fifteenth highest worldwide. These numbers are damn near impossible to compete with.
Yes, the excuses have been given as to why BATMAN BEGINS should have put up numbers like SPIDER-MAN and SPIDER-MAN 2. Batman is DCs premiere property, he is an icon, Its a great film, terrific cast, ITS BATMAN!. There are tons of excuses and yet there are explanations as to why it didnt do as well.
The Spider-man films had villains such as Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus. These are very marketable villains, and Doctor Octopus is a very iconic villain, almost as much as the Joker. These villains were very marketable and really great attention grabbers for fans and non-fans alike.
BATMAN BEGINS, did not have the marketable villains that Spider-mans franchise has had. Ras Al Ghul, Carmine Falcone, and Scarecrow are not names that the public is familiar with, and that is a good thing. This allowed the fist film to build a foundation for future movies on the premise that it is Batmans franchise. These, while being solid villains, some of the best in Batmans rouges gallery they are not visually interesting (with the exclusion of Scarecrow).
Then there is the fact that Batman had FOUR, other onscreen interpretations in the last sixteen years. Spider-man had NEVER had an onscreen adaptation. All Marvel fans had had onscreen (that were successful) were BLADE(1999) and X-MEN (2000).
Say what you will about FANTASTIC FOUR being the flagship of Marvel, Spider-man is the most iconic Marvel character, bar none.
It wasn't a matter of year, but fans entire lives that they had been waiting for this Spider-man film. This site (formerly the SpidermanHype!) is proof of the anticipation.
Batman fans before BATMAN BEGINS, had four other films, serials, an amazing Animated Series, and a campy 60s show and film. Batman fans had had their fill, and the non-fans had seen Bat-mania several times before.
Then there is the final reason, the ghost. The ghost of a franchise that disappointed on many levels. While some say BATMAN was a great film, I disagree; it was a fine attempt to depict Batman. It did its job and served its purpose to get the ball rolling, it was a solid onscreen adaptation, it had a marketable villain, but that was also the downfall. The villain became the movie.
With the second film, some say it was a great artistic approach, which it was. Yet, it was not Batman. This film, BATMAN RETURNS began the death of the franchise, great villains, wasted. Characters swallowed by their gimmicks. Cries from soccer moms that said it didnt deserve a PG-13 rating.
The movie was then toned down in the third installment and became the second highest grossing film in the franchise, and was critically acclaimed as the revival of the franchise. Had it not been over hashed by the WB, Schumaker may have delivered the best Batman film of its time.
Angry with the executives decisions Schumaker saw the over editing as a slap in the face to his artistic vision therefore he slapped Batman in the face. He slapped us all with BATMAN & ROBIN. This was the death of the revival. It was also the death of the franchise.
For eight long years, fans have waited for the film of their lives, while non-fans made Batman the butt of every holy joke. Nipples, campiness, and everything in-between.
Then came BATMAN BEGINS, a dark tale of the beginnings of the Dark Knight.
Yet, some people were tired of seeing Batman, and then there is the fact that the fact that the Box office is in a HUGE slump anyway.
More people are concerned with their DVD collections. As Jett posted, once the DVD comes out it will make a lot more money. Also, it will be more accessible, and the wider audience will watch it on their own time making it more convenient for them to see BATMAN BEGINS for the first time.
Once they see the end of the film, and see what is to come, they will undoubtedly be excited to see the follow-up. Also, with the quality of filmmaking and the story of the film, it will get peoples attention.
This takes us to the title of the thread. With all of the positive buzz around the first film, and with the fact that people are going to realize that this is a restart, it will make even more buzz for the follow up film.
This film will also sport the most marketable and popular villain of all time. Plus the strong possibility a big time star, and great actor playing the role. BATMAN CONTINUES (which I guess for now is the unofficial title) promises to be the biggest Batman film yet.
With factors like the villain, the actors, and the first films success, critically, and praise from the fans and non fans alike, will lead to a new fan base: of the movies.
(NOTE: I did not argue at all that BATMAN BEGINS is better than either of the Spider-man films, or worse. I just compared the financial numbers of the films. I actually stake the claim that the next Batman film has the potential to post numbers in the same area code as the Spider-man films.)
For those of you that have taken the time to read all of this, thanks.
-R
