Batman Begins Box Office Reasoning For Begins, and Prediction for Sequal (PLEASE READ)

[Catman]

And BB didn't appeal to teenagers? I'm roughly a teenager (if you count 20 as being a teenager) and all of my friends saw it and loved it. And I saw many younger kids going to see it, and even some adolescents. Although I don't know how teens saw LOTR...I was around 16 when the first one came out in '01, and I didn't see it, and neither did any of my friends. Same goes for the second and third.

You and your friends do not represent the rest of the country. All I can say is that the numbers speak for themselves. That is why I said that WB should spend less money on the sequel. When did $150 million become a requirement for a good movie? If WB would have spend less money on Begins everyone wouldn't be making such a big deal about the box office. The movie is doing good, but it isn't what everyone expected or at least wanted.

 

[Seen]

You and your friends do not represent the rest of the country. All I can say is that the numbers speak for themselves. That is why I said that WB should spend less money on the sequel. When did $150 million become a requirement for a good movie? If WB would have spend less money on Begins everyone wouldn't be making such a big deal about the box office. The movie is doing good, but it isn't what everyone expected or at least wanted.

How do you know that teenagers didn't flock to BEGINS, besides a poll which according to you reads adults?

And the box office returns are fine, if you take into consideration the contributing factors. WB is admittedly fine with the results, and it's clear we'll be getting a sequel. I'm sure BATMAN BEGINS 2 will make far more money, and again, I will say this again:

Final numbers aren't in yet. Guaranteed that DVD sales will hugely help the movie come the fall.

 

[Robin91939]

Sorry to get in the middle of this, but you're both about half right.

LORD OF THE RINGS has die hard fans that read the books in college and are now all adults. Yet, there are a lot of nerds and geeks (yes its true they are) who showed up at premiers in elf ears and costumes that were teenagers. And I mean A LOT. A movie does not make that much money with out putting a lot of teens in the seats. At the same time it was geared to the fans of the books, whoe were in their mid thirties, and that's where it got its adult appeal and its "oscar worthiness".

As for BATMAN BEGINS, no it doesn't need a 150 million dollar budget for the sequal. Yet, for the reasons above it can really do what ever the hell it wants and it will make a lot of money, so long as the movie is of the same quality as BATMAN BEGINS.

There were many, many teenagers that went to see this film. It has appealed to the demographic of 15 to 35, generally. Sure, tonight I went again, I'm 17 and I went with two friends, both 18, and there was a family of three there. The parents appeared mid forties and a daughter around ten or eleven. So it is appealing to everyone, but not as much as say SPIDER-MAN or the FANTASTIC FOUR.

So I kind of agree, and dissagree with both of you.

-R

 

[BatmanRules33]

im 18 and i saw BB twice, and hopefully going again this sunday. and what a coincidence, i am always a DIR HARD fan of LOTR's, i have read the book and my room is filled with lotr's toys and swords, etc, even more so then batman. i only saw ROTK in theaters, and thats where i got hooked for the first time. anyways, i also saw a little boy and his mother (both wearing red batsymbol shirts) go in to see BB, so when it first came out, yes, there were even some little 5 -10 year olds seein it, cuz its BATMAN to them, lol.

 

[Robin91939]

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[The Shape]

BB sold itself.

there wasn't a huge push from the WB like there is from Sony with the Spidey films. no happy meals or any of the crap. no commercials every 10 seconds on tv. the WB was very smart in doing that. because they let people find the movie themselves.

the reviews were great for it, and it did fine at the box office. nothing overly huge. but now that people have seen how great BB was either at the movies or on DVD, the sequel will be HUGE.

 

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[CConn]

BB sold itself.

there wasn't a huge push from the WB like there is from Sony with the Spidey films. no happy meals or any of the crap. no commercials every 10 seconds on tv. the WB was very smart in doing that. because they let people find the movie themselves.

...they were?

I mean, would it have hurt BB's box office if there was more commercials? Maybe some more ties-ins and stuff? I'd hardly think so.

 

[BatMatt]

Kinda glad there were no tie-ins except for Verizon Wireless...

The sequel will make more, thats pretty certain when you factor in Joker and the audience's last memory of Batman is Batman Begins, not Batman and Robin

 

[CConn]

I don't see how that matters on the marketing side of it, though.

Except for maybe WB not wanting to chance putting a lot of money out there for a Batman movie after B&R.

 

[The Batman]

The Sequels probably wont do much better than BB. the days of Batman being a powerhouse are gone. Why?

The fans. The Fans want the new Batman movies to be made for them and them alone. And since WB dosent know what else to do, they listen to these fans. So now, the batflicks are just indies with action, no longer having mass appeal like the batmen of old. Yeah, say that a mainstream batman means camp, but you'd only prove you dont know what the hell you're talking about

 

[Boom]

I'm going to go against the norm and say the sequel WON'T make as much as Begins. It'll make around the same amount, but it'll fall short to its predecessor.

 

[Excel]

Im a big box office analyst now. No lie, and Ill say BATMAN 2 is looking at a big increase. if marketed like begins itll total around 240-250 million. if marketed like spiderman, were looking at 280 million.

opening weekend will be atleast 90 million; the fanbase for batman is alive and kicking again and you can trust me on that! i know what im talking about; i give batman 2 90/275 at the moment.

 

[The Shape]

...they were?

I mean, would it have hurt BB's box office if there was more commercials? Maybe some more ties-ins and stuff? I'd hardly think so.

it wouldn't have hurt it. but i don't think the WB really wanted to throw BB in people's face. like.."here! look! we made another GOOD batman movie! we swear!"

it was a good move. they sort of let people see how great it was for themselves. and it worked out fine. and now, there will be more of a push for the sequel.

 

[The Shape]

The Sequels probably wont do much better than BB. the days of Batman being a powerhouse are gone. Why?

The fans. The Fans want the new Batman movies to be made for them and them alone. And since WB dosent know what else to do, they listen to these fans. So now, the batflicks are just indies with action, no longer having mass appeal like the batmen of old. Yeah, say that a mainstream batman means camp, but you'd only prove you dont know what the hell you're talking about

completely disagree. the fans have nothing to do with anything. no big budget movie is made just for the fans. they would never even make the budget back if they did that. movies are made for the masses. will fans be able to enjoy a batman movie more? yes. it doesn't matter, though.

 

[CConn]

it wouldn't have hurt it. but i don't think the WB really wanted to throw BB in people's face. like.."here! look! we made another GOOD batman movie! we swear!"

it was a good move. they sort of let people see how great it was for themselves. and it worked out fine. and now, there will be more of a push for the sequel.

But see, that's what I meant exactly. BB succeeded despite WB's marketing plans, not because of them.

 

[The Batman]

completely disagree. the fans have nothing to do with anything. no big budget movie is made just for the fans. they would never even make the budget back if they did that. movies are made for the masses. will fans be able to enjoy a batman movie more? yes. it doesn't matter, though.

Its widely known WB and the writers, crew, etc looked at sites like BOF to see what the fans wanted....dark, mature movies catered to fans and adults. BB wasnt made for kids, and didnt really appeal to anyone younger than 15...

 

[Weadazoid]

Prediciton for part 2..


Between 250 and 275 Million.

 

[Jack Napier]

I really don't care how much money it makes. "Da Vinci Code" is making a boatload of cash, and it's a mediocre movie. Schumacher's Batman movies did well. A movie shouldn't be judged by how much money it makes. If making the Batman movies smarter and more taut plot-wise means losing some box-office gross, then so be it.

Plus, if Batman vs. The Joker isn't a good enough box office draw to put people in seats...then I don't know about people sometimes.

 

[ultimatefan]

I suspect the sequel will make more for the simple fact that Begins restored the reputation of the franchise. Look how well the DVD performed, it sold better than some movies that went better than BB in the BO, such as CATCF (a PG-rated family movie, the kind that usually dominates the DVD market). Nolan seems very keen on maintaining the tone and style, while Burton went on a somewhat different route with Returns. I think the sequel will grow from the foundation that Nolan built in the first movie, much like the X-Men sequel grew from the foundation established by Singer in the first one. I already sense more excitement outside of bat-fandom for the sequel than there was for Begins.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Even though Batman & Robin was the worst of the bunch there are still average non-Batman fans that liked it more than the others, some reasons are this:

-it had Arnold as the villian, plus he's known worldwide

-it featured Bat-girl which attracted the female audience

-it had action right from the start and Batman wasn't so brooding

-cool Bat-vehicles

so what I'm trying to say is this, while us Americans adore a brooding, disturbed Dark Knight, somebody like say in Ecuador might like Batman as seen on the 60's show or the Superfriends cartoon.

 

[ultimatefan]

Even though Batman & Robin was the worst of the bunch there are still average non-Batman fans that liked it more than the others, some reasons are this:

-it had Arnold as the villian, plus he's known worldwide

-it featured Bat-girl which attracted the female audience

-it had action right from the start and Batman wasn't so brooding

-cool Bat-vehicles

so what I'm trying to say is this, while us Americans adore a brooding, disturbed Dark Knight, somebody like say in Ecuador might like Batman as seen on the 60's show or the Superfriends cartoon.

I suspect so, B & R was actually the only Batman movie that did better overseas than USA. But BB did better than the Burton movies, which did only 30% of the BO overseas. BB did about 45%.

 

[WhiteRat]

Nipples killed it. Usually they make things so much better...

To anyone with nipples who was offended by this post, I'm very sorry. It was not intended to offend.

enough with this nipples killed it crap.Go ahead and say batman and Robin made audiences stay away from batman begins but enough of this nipples killed it crap.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

I was 18 when i saw it, and noticed the smarter my friends were, the more they liked it. although 18 and 19 is that wierd twilight stage were you arent considered an adult by anyone but the law.

I hope the sequals make more money as they contiunue, ala the X-Men farnchise

 

[saint sinner x]

Batman escalation which i'm hoping they name the sequal that, will do better then batman begins. Look at the facts batman begins the dvd sold alotl of units. Batman begins been airing on HBO lately and it's getting around people like this movie so i predict with the right marketing and the sufficient hype batman begins would do at least 120million dollars on first weekend on a 5day weekend of course. Even nolan and everyone who has read the script of batman begins the sequal are saying that the movie is going to be darker than the first one and better.

We'll just going to have to wait and see for 2008 the bat shall return