Brad Bird Directing Tomorrowland

[Anita18]

Does your husband have a favorite action film?
Has he liked anything from Disney?

I know he hasn't seen any of the classic animated films. (How I have no idea...I grew up on those!) He grew up on 80s action movies (which I did not...). He did like the original Mad Max films, which made me believe he wouldn't outright hate Fury Road. Enjoyed TDK and Interstellar, didn't really like TDKR, I didn't even take him to Pacific Rim or Avengers since he wasn't interested at all.

We've shown him some of the Pixar films and he liked Ratatouille best.

I mean, all in all, he likes GOOD films, but he doesn't get "fun" formulaic action films. Like Tron Legacy honestly wasn't that good, but I was happy enough having eye and ear candy. Not good enough for him.

 

[terry78]

Mad Max is the new TDK. I am starting to get this vibe, lol. Every movie will now be put on the Fury Road scale.



On the actual thread subject, looks like this is poised to win the holiday weekend.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4062&p=.htm

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's opening weekend is quite poor though.

Prince of Persia did 37.8mil over the 4 day M-day weekend and this does an estimated 40.7million? Not to mention that it's overseas take is looking pretty lackluster so far. So unless it has some strong legs, winning the weekend is cold comfort.

The Dark Knight was a massive smash and cultural phenomenon, Mad Max as much as I love it, is not either of those things. I'd say Mad Max will be more of a better reviewed Batman Begins (with a lower domestic take) than a The Dark Knight. You know the box office isn't great but the film will probably kill on DVD and WB will make a sequel that will probably be an R rated smash.

I don't see that same fate for Tomorrowland. I know opinions of it's quality vary and I respect all of the opinions but I think it's another John Carter. It will have it's fan base but most will see the film as a miss.

 

[Mysteryman]

It's opening weekend is quite poor though.

Prince of Persia did 37.8mil over the 4 day M-day weekend and this does an estimated 40.7million? Not to mention that it's overseas take is looking pretty lackluster so far. So unless it has some strong legs, winning the weekend is cold comfort.

The Dark Knight was a massive smash and cultural phenomenon, Mad Max as much as I love it, is not either of those things. I'd say Mad Max will be more of a better reviewed Batman Begins (with a lower domestic take) than a The Dark Knight. You know the box office isn't great but the film will probably kill on DVD and WB will make a sequel that will probably be an R rated smash.

I don't see that same fate for Tomorrowland. I know opinions of it's quality vary and I respect all of the opinions but I think it's another John Carter. It will have it's fan base but most will see the film as a miss.

Is it going to lose as much money as John Carter?

 

[titansupes]

^ I doubt this one's budget was as big. JC apparently had some pretty extensive reshoots.

 

[Anita18]

The Dark Knight was a massive smash and cultural phenomenon, Mad Max as much as I love it, is not either of those things. I'd say Mad Max will be more of a better reviewed Batman Begins (with a lower domestic take) than a The Dark Knight. You know the box office isn't great but the film will probably kill on DVD and WB will make a sequel that will probably be an R rated smash.

I think terry78 was referring to Fury Road's place in geek-dom. Most people aren't thinking about TDK on a regular basis anymore, because they aren't geeks and TDK is nearly 7 years old. It's all Avengers and Marvel and maybe BvS when that marketing starts up.

But you know how Nolan and TDK magically makes an appearance in EVERY thread on SHH? That may start happening for Miller and MMFR.

I don't see that same fate for Tomorrowland. I know opinions of it's quality vary and I respect all of the opinions but I think it's another John Carter. It will have it's fan base but most will see the film as a miss.

I don't think it will be the epic fail that John Carter was. It will just be a mere footnote, ultimately to be forgotten.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No it's not going to lose as much as John Carter but I'm just making an imperfect comparison because they have a lot of things in common. The are both Disney films, with huge budgets, mixed reviews and seeming passion projects from directors who primarily direct animated films.

EDIT: Oh okay Anita, I can definitely get the Dark Knight comparison from that angle. I misinterpreted what he was saying.

 

[flickchick85]

It cost less and opened to (slightly) more than John Carter, and will probably ultimately go on to make more than John Carter. So it's not a colossal failure, just a pretty big failure. Yay.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Slightly more domestically? Sure, internationally? It's a wait and see situation. China changes everything. I read that the pre-sales aren't too great though.

 

[flickchick85]

Yes I was referring to domestic numbers.

 

[slumcat]

I liked this one. But then I also liked John Carter. Sure it was corny, but some of it was inspired and clever. Pity.

 

[Quasimod0]

I thought the design and CGI of the aliens was really great as well.

 

[nightwing06]

A lot of fun but boy oh boy was it preachy about the environment and other issues of the day plus
The ending was a bit jumbled.But if your 21 or older and want to feel like a kid again this ones for you.


My rating
7.5/10

My 12 year old sons rating
8.5/10

 

[samsnee]

I think the marketing hurt it. It was almost too secretive.

 

[Raiden]

I think the marketing hurt it. It was almost too secretive.

I watched the trailers and quite frankly it didn't have that hook that makes me want to go see it. I like Brad Bird and George Clooney is a fine actor, but it's missing that X factor that either wow me or makes me curious enough to want to check it out in the theatre. I think the marketing either failed or the movie itself is actually mediocre, so it explains why the OW is disappointing.

This movie might break even, but at a reported 180 mil budget it will be tough to get there.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Well Variety declares it a failure

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/tomorrowland-box-office-failure-originality-1201504586/

 

[Marvolo]

I think the marketing hurt it. It was almost too secretive.

The trailers got my attention but they never really gave me a clear idea of what the film was about or what exactly was going on in the film.

 

[Raiden]

The trailers got my attention but they never really gave me a clear idea of what the film was about or what exactly was going on in the film.

Preciously. It may work in other kinds of film, but Tomorrowland suffered because of it.

 

[Octoberist]

Well Variety declares it a failure

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/tomorrowland-box-office-failure-originality-1201504586/

It exposes the 'original movie' problem, and how the market has re-enforce the safety net of sequels, remakes, and comic book movies.

But at least, it's not all true though, because Gravity was a huge hit. I think it's about the budget. I think an original movie at 100 million is reasonable, not pushing for 200 million.

At the same time, the marketing has been lackluster, and the reviews were negative to mix.

 

[Octoberist]

Though I would argue Mad Max Fury Road being a huge risk too. Despite being a sequel/reboot, the public's familiarity of the property isn't huge. IN fact, look at twitter and see how many milliaials thought it was ripping off video games like Fallout and Borderlands.

 

[Anita18]

It exposes the 'original movie' problem, and how the market has re-enforce the safety net of sequels, remakes, and comic book movies.

But at least, it's not all true though, because Gravity was a huge hit. I think it's about the budget. I think an original movie at 100 million is reasonable, not pushing for 200 million.

At the same time, the marketing has been lackluster, and the reviews were negative to mix.

It's also about the movie being good. The three original movies the article cites - Gravity, Inception, and Interstellar - were well-reviewed. The two directors for them, Alfonso Cuaron and Chris Nolan, cut their chops and made their names on sequels and adaptations.

But yes, betting on a high-cost original film is a risk no studio is going to take anymore. Only directors who have proven themselves before and who they want to keep happy (like Nolan) can get away with it.

Though I would argue Mad Max Fury Road being a huge risk too. Despite being a sequel/reboot, the public's familiarity of the property isn't huge. IN fact, look at twitter and see how many milliaials thought it was ripping off video games like Fallout and Borderlands.

Definitely. It's been 30 years since the last one, and it hasn't been kept alive by comic books or TV series or anything like that. It honestly might as well be considered original at this point.

 

[jmc]

It speaks more of budgets than anything else. Even with inflation it's still mind boggling the sizes of some movie budgets these days.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I think the marketing hurt it. It was almost too secretive.

Yeah it all started with that box of promotional material.

 

[slumcat]

The marketing was rubbish. Even when I went to see the film, I had no idea at all what it was about.

They seriously hid too much. Hiding should be for sequels and all where the audience can second guess you. But here there was nothing to guess, they could absolutely control how much they wanted to reveal.

Infact I did not even know about the other lead character - Athena until I saw the film.

John Carter had a similarly botched marketing campaign.

But I do think this is definitely a well made movie. It is thoughtfully made and well considered. There is no sloppiness in sight. Only the script is bad.

 

[terry78]

Though I would argue Mad Max Fury Road being a huge risk too. Despite being a sequel/reboot, the public's familiarity of the property isn't huge. IN fact, look at twitter and see how many milliaials thought it was ripping off video games like Fallout and Borderlands.

Millenials with their rock and roll and their skinny jeans. Get a job that's not s startup you hippies.