Comics Brand New Day Discussion Thread

[Blader5489]

Which was sort of my point. NA (in terms of publishing) was going on for a while before May's house burnt down. If you want to argue that the first storyline or two took place out of order, and all happened after the events of Skin Deep, you can do that. But I see no evidence that was the case.

The fact that Stark would invite Peter and his family to come live with him at all is proof that Spidey joined the NA before "Skin Deep."

 

[moraldeficiency]

Nah, the house burning down had nothing to do with Pete joining the NA. But there is a major plot hole in whether or not the house burned down and if so how to explain all that happened and not just have these massive memory holes in almost all the NA..... that's gonna be a bit more difficult.

 

[javi1024]

well in BND splash page its says "Aunt May is still living in the house that Pete grew up in". so that tells me nothing happened to it.

 

[moraldeficiency]

well in BND splash page its says "Aunt May is still living in the house that Pete grew up in". so that tells me nothing happened to it.

I'm sure marvel has a whole bag of no-prizes to hand out to anyone actually willing to try and explain the cluster@uck. Why have a writer explain a story or even think it out when you can just have the fans do your work?

 

[Blader5489]

Actually, Quesada just recently (in his myspace blog, I think) implied that the house was rebuilt in the "missing time" between Civil War and BND.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Actually, Quesada just recently (in his myspace blog, I think) implied that the house was rebuilt in the "missing time" between Civil War and BND.

really, that's pretty cool, post it if you have it. (I find myspace creepy)

Did he go into why may or pete remember living at the avengers mansion but not the reason why?

 

[Blader5489]

really, that's pretty cool, post it if you have it. (I find myspace creepy)

Did he go into why may or pete remember living at the avengers mansion but not the reason why?

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There are those out there who are having trouble making sense of it all. Perhaps they feel this because they think that from the moment Peter and MJ have their last kiss to the moment Peter wakes up in his house in Queens, only a second has passed. Well, what if that wasn't the case? What if it was hours? What if it was weeks? Could it have been months? I mean, wasn't that house in Queens destroyed, anyway? If you mull some of this over, you might get an inkling of what may be down the road…but that's a story for another day!

 

[moraldeficiency]

Ah, that's an interesting point about the house, and does make sense but it still doesn't do much for the memories of Pete, May, Tony and the NA as to why some guy named peter parker and his aunt got to live with a bunch of super heroes. Maybe you can say it was tony's guilt over sponsoring the project but then that leads to why not just move them into an apartment somewhere. Or you could maybe say that the reason with pete being tony's personal photographer, but then you have to ask what the hell tony thinks of all this. How did he make the scarlet spider suits? Why does he have some much computer data on peter parker and how did he get so much genetic analysis of spider-man?

Some can be reasoned away, but when you do you just seem to open move cans of logic mind eating worms.

 

[spider greg]

Okay, I'll ask again.From what I've been hearing, this "mindwipe the world and the secret I.D is safe" idea has been used before in various ways, . (Captain America, Iron Man, the Flash) How were these questions addressed under their unique circumstances? C'mon, someone's gotta know.

 

[Brand]

Okay, I'll ask again.From what I've been hearing, this "mindwipe the world and the secret I.D is safe" idea has been used before in various ways, . (Captain America, Iron Man, the Flash) How were these questions addressed under their unique circumstances? C'mon, someone's gotta know.

If no one here can help you, you might try asking asking in the Iron Man forum here at the Hype. There's a good chance some of the people there are familiar with the storyline. You could also check out the Avengers section of the CBR forums. If anyone would be able to answer your questions, there should be someone there.

That being said, I'm not Marvel ever DID explain how Tony's mind-wiping worked. Like Wolverine's claws (which give me a headache whenever I think of them), I have a feeling they just said, "Okay, everyone forgot Iron Man's identity. Tony used a satellite." Or whatever it is he used.

 

[Themanofbat]

In the Flash, everybody forgot, even Wally...

But with the aid of Batman (who figured things weren't quite right about this lack of knowledge, so he put his world's greatest detective skills to work and figured out Wally was the Flash), Wally then finds out he is the Flash and then the memory of what occured came back.

Or something along those lines... it's been a few years.

 

[spider greg]

[/QUOTE]

In the Flash, everybody forgot, even Wally...

But with the aid of Batman (who figured things weren't quite right about this lack of knowledge, so he put his world's greatest detective skills to work and figured out Wally was the Flash), Wally then finds out he is the Flash and then the memory of what occured came back.

Or something along those lines... it's been a few years.

Bats is the main man.

So, only Batman and Wally are aware of his identity. I'm just curious because obviously this "mindwipe" thing has been done before, (though in a different way) and I wanted to see if those stories were put up to the same scrutiny as BND.

In other news....

A poster at the CBR boards posted this..

Hmmm Joe dropping hints about what happened at the wedding and is being handled by an unnamed team.

Stern, one of the most vocal on how the marriage was a mistake for both characters is rumored to be doing a spidey project.
could this be.... naw 1+1 never equals 2, when comics are involved.

And Uncle Rog replied to his post with.......

Can't talk. Plotting.

hmmmmm.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=213924&page=5

 

[mre]

You guys know by now that I hate how BND was created – But I have to say I simply love the Stories. I haven’t been this excited about Spidey in a long time.

Some of you want a more adult tone – Well to me this Spidey is the most real and relatable I’ve read in years. This is what Stan envisioned when he made the character. Real down to earth drama and Superhero action, with a guy you actually want to win.

Superhero Comics now a-days suck. Don’t try to be cerebral, it’s just comes off even more cheesy and outta place. When’s the last time a superhero had a fight. Let’s be real here – I’m a grown man but one of the things that hooked you in the first place were believable characters doing cool stuff – remember the this could be me thing?

This is what BND gives me.
Doom, gloom and people NOT being heroic is all superheroes are today.

Amazing Spider-man is the only real Marvel Superhero book right now. The world of BND is more real to me than dark and gritty books.

I 100% agree with you. But all these stories could have been told without Harry, or the MJ split.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Ah, that's an interesting point about the house, and does make sense but it still doesn't do much for the memories of Pete, May, Tony and the NA as to why some guy named peter parker and his aunt got to live with a bunch of super heroes. Maybe you can say it was tony's guilt over sponsoring the project but then that leads to why not just move them into an apartment somewhere. Or you could maybe say that the reason with pete being tony's personal photographer, but then you have to ask what the hell tony thinks of all this. How did he make the scarlet spider suits? Why does he have some much computer data on peter parker and how did he get so much genetic analysis of spider-man?

Some can be reasoned away, but when you do you just seem to open move cans of logic mind eating worms.

I think there's some serious confusion here. The heroes MUST KNOW who spider-man is, the world DOESN'T. Peter cannot have been an avenger and not told tony stark, it doesn't work. My answer is that he knows but cannot prove it so cannot openly come right out and arrest pete in his civvies, nor would he want to. I dunno... the more I think about it, the more BND fecks everything up

 

[javi1024]

Amazing Spider-Man #546 pg.35: "Absolutely no one knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Not Daredevil, not the Avengers, not anyone. His identity is truly secret."

wheres the confusion?

 

[DACMAN]

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It's so sad that Spider-Man is nothing more than Joe Q trying to explain away plot holes and playing it off like something we should all look forward to.

 

[moraldeficiency]

So, only Batman and Wally are aware of his identity. I'm just curious because obviously this "mindwipe" thing has been done before, (though in a different way) and I wanted to see if those stories were put up to the same scrutiny as BND.

Here's the crux of the problem, an all purpose mind wipe has been done before many times as noted. But the difference is, and I'll preface by saying any mindwipe is just lazy fundamentally as storytelling, the OMD mindwipe was accompanied by a change in reality as well. Mephisto mind wiped everyone while also changing history, and he mindwiped people retroactively over a long period of time. This is different from Tony who mindwiped everyone in a relative short period of time and you don't have any characters that had a basis in knowing Tony Stark=Iron Man as a fundamental part of their evolution as a character in the way Felicia, May and others have been. Then you have the issues where because of previous knowledge of secret identies peoples lives have been saved (ex. daredevil's life was saved in secret war because of their common knowledge of each other's secret identies). What you have is a mess of how did this happen if X was a blank in their minds? How do you explain large portions of the Black Cat's life without the knowledge of who peter parker really is? Or eddie brock? Mac Gargan? Norman Osborn? See many of these characters have made major life changes based solely on the fact Peter Parker=Spider-Man and now if they think back on their lives they've done some very odd things for seemingly no reason whatsoever. That's the difference.

 

[shinlyle]

It's so sad that Spider-Man is nothing more than Joe Q trying to explain away plot holes and playing it off like something we should all look forward to.

Yeah, my thing is, he keeps saying that the answers will be revealed "another day". It's getting old. So, now there will be a time when all the Spdiey stories are working to explain something that didn't need explaining 5 months ago? They should have done a quick little "Spider-Man Saga: Brand New Day" that gave us a summary of what happened (in very broad strokes) at the point the timeline was changed. Then we could have answers to the major questions, and leave some potential builders for future storylines in there, without alienating continuity nerds like myself.

Just saying. Hell, they could have done up the one-shot to expain it all during the awful delays of "One More Day".

 

[farmernudie]

Yeh, that is my point too, is that he fixed something he didn't need to fix..and he did it in such an outlandish way....that he now (and others) have to spend all their time explaining it in interviews, defending it at comic-cons, defending it to store owners who complain customers are not liking it, and calm people by telling them that some thing will be explainined eventually and just keep reading for answers at some point.

Well, as others have stated, it wasn't just a typical mindwipe either. It changed history, changed people's memories, change Civil War, it really if done and written properly would change EVERYTHING in Pete's life. THe excuse that...everything was all the same but just not married doesn't hold water realisitically either. THings would have all transpired different.

So now, we've got the villian of the month arc formula, creative team of the month, and everyone exerting lots of time defending spider-man and the "changes" and trying to console people that some changes don't matter and changed nothing and some changes will someday be addressed.

 

[stillanerd]

Not to mention, that according to one rumor I came across, that while most folks at Marvel believed that the marriage between Peter and MJ was a mistake, Joe Q was the ONLY ONE who wanted to end the marriage in the manner that was done in One More Day via the "magical marriage annulment" and pulled rank to get it done. My guess, if this is true (although it did come from the Mr. Anonymous character whose spoilers on Secret Invasion have so far been dead on) that many folks over at Marvel believe that One More Day would be a disaster in terms of continuity, but that if it was going to be done, they would at least try to make it work within the guidelines they were given. Even so, you still got plenty of holes and confusion about what fits, much to most folks chagrin (although over in the ASM #555 thread, I've tried to make a "no prize" effort in how I think it all fits.

 

[kguillou]

Originally posted by Shinlyle

Yeah, my thing is, he keeps saying that the answers will be revealed "another day". It's getting old. So, now there will be a time when all the Spdiey stories are working to explain something that didn't need explaining 5 months ago? They should have done a quick little "Spider-Man Saga: Brand New Day" that gave us a summary of what happened (in very broad strokes) at the point the timeline was changed. Then we could have answers to the major questions, and leave some potential builders for future storylines in there, without alienating continuity nerds like myself.

Just saying. Hell, they could have done up the one-shot to expain it all during the awful delays of "One More Day".

THANK YOU. This is what i've been saying all along. They should have explained everything from the get-go instead of prolonging all these explanations. Its just a ploy to get us to keep reading. Isn't it ironic that although Marvel wants us to forget OMD, they're using the OMD plot holes to make us keep reading??

 

[Blader5489]

Not to mention, that according to one rumor

Could have saved yourself some time and just stopped typing right there.

 

[shinlyle]

Could have saved yourself some time and just stopped typing right there.

You could have stopped 20 pages ago.t:

 

[stillanerd]

Could have saved yourself some time and just stopped typing right there.

But then everyone would be like "What rumor? Come on, tell us. Pretty, pretty please...."

You could have stopped 20 pages ago.t:

Ouch!

 

[Blader5489]

But then everyone would be like "What rumor? Come on, tell us. Pretty, pretty please...."

I'm just saying, if you want to go by blog rumors, then Quesada will be out of a job by next week.