Comics Brand New Day Discussion Thread

[Blader5489]

Yeah, but DC usually has more than one top ten seller.

Yeah. Usually they have two.

And for some reason, one of them is always Countdown. Mind boggling...

 

[DACMAN]

well those were two of Joe's Genies... the ones that he's worked so hard to put back in the bottle... and MAGIC was used to solve these problems... but in any case, you said that Wacker was offering a no-prize for a solution to that Doc Strange slip up, when they've already got one... MAGIC, no need to explain it... Sure it's gotten old, but that seems to be the marvel way... (But it is kinda funny if you use it on Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme)

Now If you excuse me, I'll have to take all of my back issues and use some white-out and a sharpie to place my comics withinin the new continuity... (Earth-666?)
*Mental note: Replace married MJ to living with MJ. Harry's death for going away to rehab. God to Joe...

Nice sig.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

whoa! Wait a minute! So Peter can't get a divorce because that would age him a lot, right? well that must mean that Harry is WAAY older than Peter, cause he's been married a couple of times according to BND's new continuity...

 

[Infidel]

What I can't figure out is the idea of removing the marriage after promises of all these great stories and doing it in such an awful, disrespectful way. I really don't think the EIC really cares. I had already stopped reading Spider-man. it's just sad looking at this sad, faded version of Spider-man. It's just sad.

 

[chris moore]

whoa! Wait a minute! So Peter can't get a divorce because that would age him a lot, right? well that must mean that Harry is WAAY older than Peter, cause he's been married a couple of times according to BND's new continuity...

No, Peter can't get a divorce because it would suggest to the readers that divorce is an okay thing to do because heroes do it (Harry, not so much the hero)

 

[farmernudie]

So heroes deal with the devil when their elderly aunt is ill and dying and give up their wife and let a whole planet get mindwiped and swiss cheesed and history altered by the devil???

Divorce seems more relatable, here, for a hero to do when compared to what he DID do.

What he DID do is ultimate selfishness and stupidity. Not responsable at all.

That's what I've always liked about Pete, is he is the everyman, and really cares about others. I could relate to him, because he'd do what I would do in these situations, whatever they would be thru the years.

I can't relate to him now because of this. But, it wasn't meant to be in character, it was just a means to an end, and not a well written story or foundation to this reboot.

 

[Themanofbat]

Every time I come in here, it's like listening to the Charlie Brown teacher go on and on and on ...

 

[Blader5489]

Every time I come in here, it's like listening to the Charlie Brown teacher go on and on and on ...

I think "broken record" is more accurate.

 

[carnageehw]

Divorce seems more relatable, here, for a hero to do when compared to what he DID do.

The reason they did it the way the did, with the Devil and all, is to make it easy to retcon, and go back to the marriage, if and WHEN they do.

A divorce would make that really hard.

 

[farmernudie]

True...and we do know they'll retcon it, again, only a matter of time.

Just too bad we have to waste all this time tho. It sickens me to think of that, the wasted time.

They could have just launched a new series for single, non married specific stories (not like they have any tho)...or an alternate ultimate....instead of experimentingin the main book....experiment elsewhere so that regular spidey could've remained just that. OTherwise, when they do retcon this magical mess....all this OMD/BND mess was nothing but a waste of time really.

Either that, or an experiment in Spidey-Arcs-to-the-extreme.

 

[farmernudie]

TMOB: Every time I come in here, it's like listening to the Charlie Brown teacher go on and on and on ...

Well, Joe did say at one time that he wanted Spider-man comics to be more like a a Charlie Brown comic strip.

Speaking of those comics, anyone else out there collect those hardcover complete editions. I'm really liking them!

 

[iloveclones]

True...and we do know they'll retcon it, again, only a matter of time.

Just too bad we have to waste all this time tho. It sickens me to think of that, the wasted time.

They could have just launched a new series for single, non married specific stories (not like they have any tho)...or an alternate ultimate....instead of experimentingin the main book....experiment elsewhere so that regular spidey could've remained just that. OTherwise, when they do retcon this magical mess....all this OMD/BND mess was nothing but a waste of time really.

Either that, or an experiment in Spidey-Arcs-to-the-extreme.

I think you're a little premature to be using the past tense.

 

[farmernudie]

Well, the thing is, which all of us old timers especially know is that things change (bacK) quickly...sometimes faster than usual. Also, based on history, fans have spoken multiple times they like MJ and they like the marriage.

So, it is only a matter of time.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've not already planned out when things will get rebooted..since they had over a two year plan to get the state of spidey comics to the point at which they felt they could reboot to begin with.

ON top of that...how long can they realistically hold the line and momentum of publishing all these ARCS??

The paint by the numbers feeling of the villian of the month will get old quickly, if it hasn't already, to some fans.

Even more, it is time to UNITE the fan base..not divide them. What hasn't been brought up is the economy in general. It is down and some say it may go lower even.

So, one would think Marvel would want to unite their fan base even more in troubled economic times, and avoid alienating their fans and angering them. Bring back the long time loyal money spenders and not rely on fickle fans who may just be collecting certain arcs or artists or what-not.

they should go with what works, not with experimentation. If the majority of your customers like it a certain way, with polls show, and comic shop owners have spoken of in various panels and such...why thumb your nose at your consumers, especially during tough times? (Unless they're hauling in new young fans!!?) YA know? Just my thoughts.

 

[Themanofbat]

But Peter and MJ will be a couple again at some point soon, just not as a "married" couple... and while a LOT of fans have been pissed off at the split, a lot less of them would care whether they have a pice of paper that certifies thet are a happily married couple.

And when that happens, life in the Spidey books will go on, and you'll still be reading paint-by-number villains of the month and all that other negative stuff you've labelled upon this new era of Spider-Man.

 

[farmernudie]

Well, I'm sure they'll forsake this current set up of monthly arcs sooner than later. You can't sign big name draws for the books as a gimmick forever.

Even more, the industry loves to do realunches and new #1 to haul in new collectors that look for those.

We'll be seeing a new Spectacular or Web of or Friendly here in a year or less.

And, are fans REALLY wanting to see Pete and MJ back together, as you say, dating again? Isn't that all very been-there-done-that??

The magically devilishly unmarried couple, who remembers they're married in their souls, dating? That would be...just odd, imo. Rather see them either normally together or normally apart.

The devil making them forget and creating an alternate history just doesn't feel definitive...if anything in comics really does...that really doesn't.

It's like they're married now, and their souls remember it...and the fans remember it. I dunno.

 

[Visionary]

As long as Peter and MJ can make some of that stuff called love they will survive it all.

 

[kguillou]

Peter and MJ are meant to be together, always will be. Its the same thing with Clark Kent and Lois Lane, no matter what happens everything is gonna lead back to them. There are some comic couples that just cant be separated, at least not permantely. Reed and Sue richards, Lois and Clark, heck, i even believe Cyclops and Jean will together again one day. Peter and MJ have been together waay too long to be separated for good.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

Posted also in the ASM #555 thread, but it pertains to the topic at hand...

See, the thing is...any story done about their relationship as a non-married couple will not mean much to me, because I can think back to a time when they were more than that...more than just two young people dating each other. It's just kinda like...haven't we been down this road before?

It's dumb. Because seeing them together, I'll automatically think, "Well, this is great, but it doesn't mean nearly as much because we've already seen where this kind of thing leads." And if they never do get remarried, what's the point of them even dating? A perpetual courtship can get old fast. That was one of the reasons Gwen Stacy was killed in the comics. They needed to do something with her character: either marry her to Peter or drop her.

Marriage can be written on many different levels because it is more layered than dating. There's just more there to play with and to keep it interesting, mostly because dating is seen as a temporary state, whereas marriage is seen as a way of actually living.

 

[nobndfan]

Peter and MJ are meant to be together, always will be. Its the same thing with Clark Kent and Lois Lane, no matter what happens everything is gonna lead back to them. There are some comic couples that just cant be separated, at least not permantely. Reed and Sue richards, Lois and Clark, heck, i even believe Cyclops and Jean will together again one day. Peter and MJ have been together waay too long to be separated for good.

I couldn't agree more! Good post.

 

[farmernudie]

Correct....like Lois and Clark.....you always think of MJ and Pete together....so whether the devil is making them forget they're married or not........most of us always think of them as "together" regardless.

 

[mre]

Peter and MJ are meant to be together, always will be. Its the same thing with Clark Kent and Lois Lane, no matter what happens everything is gonna lead back to them. There are some comic couples that just cant be separated, at least not permantely. Reed and Sue richards, Lois and Clark, heck, i even believe Cyclops and Jean will together again one day. Peter and MJ have been together waay too long to be separated for good.

That may be.

But it doesn't mean they will get married again.

But who knows. Depends on how they are written. They could kill off MJ and make her the Gwen for the next gen.

 

[Themanofbat]

Correct....like Lois and Clark.....you always think of MJ and Pete together....so whether the devil is making them forget they're married or not........most of us always think of them as "together" regardless.

I wonder how the Gwen fans feel about that statement...

 

[nobndfan]

That may be.

But it doesn't mean they will get married again.

But who knows. Depends on how they are written. They could kill off MJ and make her the Gwen for the next gen.

Okay, first of all I KNOW we're talking about two comic book characters here, so I haven't gone off the deep end! t:

But if you look at marriage as the Bible says God looks at marriage (and according to the Bible, God created marriage) than married is married is married...no Mephisto about it.

 

[kainedamo]

I wonder how the Gwen fans feel about that statement...

Gwen fans need to realize the girls been dead for over 30 years and Peter's been married to two decades.

 

[iloveclones]

Why do I need to realize that? How would you feel if I dismissed your viewpoint so easily and say that MJ fans need to accept the new reality and get over it. I don't think that, and I think both statements are equally insulting.