Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

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Meanwhile a missile landed on a car with two al-Qaeda terrorists in it in Yemen. Is that a coincidence? I have my doubts.


Wouldn't be surprised if that little operation came about because of the intelligence information in his house. Probably figured out their addresses at the very least.
 
I don't think anyone really has an issue with him being killed, because, as you point out, he deserved it. However, what I believe Yurka is saying is that we are being led to believe that he posed an immediate threat to the SEALS and was shot and killed because of that. But if he actually captured first and then executed, then its more like we killed him in a defenseless state just for the sake of killing him. In that case, it seems a little off because we had him captured and instead of interrogating him or putting him on trial like we did with Saddam, we took it into our own hands to avoid all of that.

No no, I totally get that's what you're saying, I'm just saying I'm ok with that too. I'd like to say I'm ok with that because I think him being alive would pose even more problems for our country and our troops, and possible civilians being endangered by his followers trying to free him, and while I do think that would be the case, I'd be lying if I said that's the reason I'm ok with it. I'm ok with him being executed because I think he deserves it, and I think we're totally righteous in executing him. I guess that's morbid, but that's that.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if that little operation came about because of the intelligence information in his house. Probably figured out their addresses at the very least.



This was a couriers house, so I'm sure there was an enormous amount of evidence in there......
 
By my count that's 1 to 3000+, so.... no.

So you want an eye for an eye, or just one is enough?

I don't think anyone really has an issue with him being killed, because, as you point out, he deserved it. However, what I believe Yurka is saying is that we are being led to believe that he posed an immediate threat to the SEALS and was shot and killed because of that. But if he actually captured first and then executed, then its more like we killed him in a defenseless state just for the sake of killing him. In that case, it seems a little off because we had him captured and instead of interrogating him or putting him on trial like we did with Saddam, we took it into our own hands to avoid all of that.

I did not want to see him go to trial. I wanted him dead and I'm glad it happened. But if he posed no immediate threat, and was executed, that feels wrong to me. I would have at least put an empty gun in his hand :o
 
I think he's been caught in a crappy area of in between being political and doing what he wants to do. I've not been happy with it either. But I'm nowhere near as unhappy with it as I was with the purely political and purely self serving and purely deceptive 8 years that went on before that. I've been disappointed that he hasn't stuck to his guns, but I at least like that I still feel like he deep down wants to stick to his guns, even though he hasn't. I think he's done some things that have stuck to his guns, but not as much as what everyone was hoping for that voted for him, so he's gotten a lot of flack from the left. The reality is that it's a first term, and I'm sure he's under a ton of pressure from his people to try to hit a middle ground in order to insure a second term. My hope is that if he gets a second term, he'll finally go full bore on what he believes. Either way, I'd rather have a guy that believes in something good get runover a bit, as opposed to someone that believes in a bunch of sh**y stuff getting his way. Fingers crossed on him getting his balls once he gets into his second term (which I'd worry about if the other team didn't have such crappy players). I still believe that he's got the stuff deep down, he just needs to find it and stop worrying about what everyone around him thinks.

I don't think he has it in him. I think that he is too worried about being liked rather than effective. I think that he acted here because he literally had no choice. We knew where Bin Laden was, the CIA, the DOD, etc were pushing for it....anyone in the Oval Office would have to do what Obama did.

I think that what we should really look at is Libya. I said it before and I'll say it again, had Obama acted 2 weeks prior and not spent 2 weeks thinking it through and waiting for the international go ahead, and just instituted the no-fly zone, then Gaddafi would be dead. Instead we gave him time to regroup and regain power. Now, best case scenario is a massive and bloody civil war, worst case scenario, a genocide. Obama needs to stop focusing so much on what people think about him and just do his job. But I don't think he will.
 
It's unbelievable they had to be politically correct with Bin Laden. Just unbelievable.
 
Michael Moore is on Piers Morgan Tonight saying that Bin Laden was executed and should have been put on trial instead. He also condemned the people who celebrated Bin Laden's death.

:dry:
I'm pretty certain Michale Moore wouldn't be saying that if he didn't think it would get him on Piers Morgan. He'll do whatever it takes to get in the spotlight. Man, I sound like a conservative today.
 
You forget that under international law the POTUS cannot say he ordered a "take no prisoners" assassination mission. Everyone knows this was a "kill order" that maybe had a "if they throw up their hands, take them alive" rule.

But no one is upset about this. Left, right, and moderate mainstream media is not going to probe this too deeply and other than some far left and right Internet blog chatter and angry comments in the Middle East (or any obscure anti-American publications)....no one will make a big deal out of this. All the WH has to do is say, "If he held up his hands we would have taken him alive" and the story ends there. You can bet none of the SEALs are going to come out talking to the press.

It's not like they have someone in the administration who would just say, "We were there to kill him no matter what," because that's either not true or nobody cares if it isn't. Right now cable news is talking about "legality" to fill airtime, but as far as the government is concerned, the story's details ended today when the POTUS went to Ground Zero.

Meanwhile a missile landed on a car with two al-Qaeda terrorists in it in Yemen. Is that a coincidence? I have my doubts.
I will say it's kind of neat that only FAR left and FAR right folks have a problem with this. It's kind of fun that for the most part, left and right folks are agreeing on this stuff. This is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of aquarius!
 
They looked into his burial arrangements pretty deeply as I understand it. Burial at sea does not conflict with the muslim faith.
Sea burials only occur if the death occured on the ship actually.
 
So you want an eye for an eye, or just one is enough?



I did not want to see him go to trial. I wanted him dead and I'm glad it happened. But if he posed no immediate threat, and was executed, that feels wrong to me. I would have at least put an empty gun in his hand :o


I am fine with an eye for 6000 eyes, yes. Totally fine.
 
This is my view of things

1. It was a kill mission
2. I'm okay with that but they could have taken him alive
3. It was stupid of the US to lie about the killing
4. They knew he was living with his wives and kids
5. They knew the people inside the compound weren't heavily armed
6. Pakistan knew he was there
 
I'm pretty certain Michale Moore wouldn't be saying that if he didn't think it would get him on Piers Morgan. He'll do whatever it takes to get in the spotlight. Man, I sound like a conservative today.

Same here...
 
I don't think he has it in him. I think that he is too worried about being liked rather than effective. I think that he acted here because he literally had no choice. We knew where Bin Laden was, the CIA, the DOD, etc were pushing for it....anyone in the Oval Office would have to do what Obama did.

I think that what we should really look at is Libya. I said it before and I'll say it again, had Obama acted 2 weeks prior and not spent 2 weeks thinking it through and waiting for the international go ahead, and just instituted the no-fly zone, then Gaddafi would be dead. Instead we gave him time to regroup and regain power. Now, best case scenario is a massive and bloody civil war, worst case scenario, a genocide. Obama needs to stop focusing so much on what people think about him and just do his job. But I don't think he will.
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that then Matt, I think he's still got it in him.
 
@ Paroxysm: And how exactly did the US know all of that? What are your sources on this that led you to these conclusions?
 
This is my view of things

1. It was a kill mission
2. I'm okay with that but they could have taken him alive
3. It was stupid of the US to lie about the killing
4. They knew he was living with his wives and kids
5. They knew the people inside the compound weren't heavily armed
6. Pakistan knew he was there

...and how exactly do you figure that? :huh:
 
This is my view of things

1. It was a kill mission
2. I'm okay with that but they could have taken him alive
3. It was stupid of the US to lie about the killing
4. They knew he was living with his wives and kids
5. They knew the people inside the compound weren't heavily armed
6. Pakistan knew he was there

I disagree with half of 2, all of 3 (not the stupid part, but that they lied), half of 4 (doesn't sound like they were sure what they were walking into), all of 5, and none of 6.

Ha, and I'm totally cracking up at "conaniscool"'s attempt to open up a new thread as if he was a mod.
 
I think him being alive would pose even more problems for our country and our troops, and possible civilians being endangered by his followers trying to free him, and while I do think that would be the case, I'd be lying if I said that's the reason I'm ok with it. I'm ok with him being executed because I think he deserves it, and I think we're totally righteous in executing him. I guess that's morbid, but that's that.

Killing him just posed a whole whackload of new problems for your country.
 
I'm pretty certain Michale Moore wouldn't be saying that if he didn't think it would get him on Piers Morgan. He'll do whatever it takes to get in the spotlight. Man, I sound like a conservative today.

And I sound like a liberal...

I am fine with an eye for 6000 eyes, yes. Totally fine.

Bad guys I hope.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...mic-traditions/2011/05/02/AFAbG1YF_story.html

Although there appears to be some room for debate over the burial — as with many issues within the faith — a wide range of senior Islamic scholars interpreted it as a humiliating disregard for the standard Muslim practice of placing the body in a grave with the head pointed toward the holy city of Mecca.
Sea burials can be allowed, they said, but only in special cases where the death occurred aboard a ship.
 
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that then Matt, I think he's still got it in him.
Obama is too politically correct for his own good. If giving OBL a proper burial doesn't prove it, I dunno what will.

It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in a while. It's so stupid I wish it was a conspiracy.
 
Killing him just posed a whole whackload of new problems for your country.

I dont think so. Keeping him alive would have only made him a more persuasive martyr and bargaining chip. Finding him and killing him sends a powerful message.
 
Obama is too politically correct for his own good. If giving OBL a proper burial doesn't prove it, I dunno what will.

It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in a while. It's so stupid I wish it was a conspiracy.
The funny thing is that people in here are *****ing that it wasn't a proper funeral.
 
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