Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[GhostPoet]

What I find funny about this whole thing...and what is most hypocritcal of all is that when Bush was supporting waterboarding...it was evil and unethical and he was horrible because of it. The news trashed him for it. And so did the people.

Then Obama does the same thing...and suddenly no one talks about waterboarding.

Hypocrites.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

What I find funny about this whole thing...and what is most hypocritcal of all is that when Bush was supporting waterboarding...it was evil and unethical and he was horrible because of it. The news trashed him for it. And so did the people.

Then Obama does the same thing...and suddenly no one talks about waterboarding.

Hypocrites.

Do you have actual proof they got the actionable intelligence from water-boarding (sources)? Or are you just making up stuff? I've read in multiple places they got information from KSM and others through normal interrogation, not enhanced techniques.

 

[bullets]

I'm mixed on it in all honesty.

The truth is, conspiracy theorists have nothing to do with it. There are groups who will always claim, even if they see it, that it's photoshopped for an Obama poll bump. They would physically have to be holding the body for it to satisfy them.

So if not for them, then who? Us? Is it our curiosity? A morbid curiosity? Wanting to see his blood as a sort of revenge? I don't think it's entirely that either.

The Middle East then? From what I'm hearing most of them don't care. With the recent changes and riots, it seems like Osama is a relic, no longer relevant (as a public face that is) to the majority of them (from news reports it even seemed most were happy as many ppl, not just Americans, have been killed by him). Plus, along with the conspiracy theorists, many who followed him wouldn't believe it anyway, unless they, again, had the body in their hands (and if they did they'd make it into a shrine).


So I'm not sure who REALLY needs to see it. On the other hand we see gory images all the time. Just watching River Monsters on animal planet the other day showed a body after Piranha's had a go at it, I'm sure that was probably every bit as gory. I also am not so sure that a picture of him would necessarily set the Middle East on fire, nor make Osama's followers rush their plans to attack us anymore.

I'd hope the majority of people that wanted to see the pictures was for closure. It really wouldn't have much purpose outside of that and certainly wouldn't satisfy conspiracy theorists.
However thinking about draw mohammed day(as JJJulcer mentioned) it does make sense that releasing the photos would cause more problems.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

They should make the photos available in private upon demand to family-members of 9/11 victims and troops who have died in the Afghan war. They should also show it (but not give it) to skeptical members of the press to shut them up.

 

[GhostPoet]

Do you have actual proof they got the actionable intelligence from water-boarding (sources)? Or are you just making up stuff? I've read in multiple places they got information from KSM and others through normal interrogation, not enhanced techniques.

The director of the CIA, Leon Panetta said waterboarding had been used which lead to the whereabouts of Bin Laden. It doesn't get much more confirmed than that...no matter how much Obama wants to deny it.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

The director of the CIA, Leon Panetta said waterboarding had been used which lead to the whereabouts of Bin Laden. It doesn't get much more confirmed than that...no matter how much Obama wants to deny it.

Yes, it does get more official.

Show me a reputable news source with that quote.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Here's an article (took me 2 seconds to find, just googled "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, interrogation, Osama") basically dispelling the waterboarding-led-to-Osama myth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/may/05/torture-and-osama-bin-laden

Key-quote: "[Khalid Sheikh] Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic."

 

[bullets]

They should make the photos available in private upon demand to family-members of 9/11 victims and troops who have died in the Afghan war. They should also show it (but not give it) to skeptical members of the press to shut them up.

I certainly wouldn't mind that either.




When was the last time Osama Bin Laden had a tape released?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

He last had an actual video tape released on Sept 11, 2007.

He last had an audio released in Jan of this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Osama_bin_Laden

 

[roach]

He last had an actual video tape released on Sept 11, 2007.

He last had an audio released in Jan of this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Osama_bin_Laden

dont forget the single he did with Jay-Z t:t:t:

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

dont forget the single he did with Jay-Z t:t:t:

Haha I was thinking the same thing as I wrote that. Maybe he'll have posthumous releases like Tupac. Guess it was kind of an East-West beef that took him out in the end too.

 

[kane9321]

Cool



Nevertheless, he and any other President fits the definition of a terrorist, because that's their nature.

Peace

WTF

 

[kane9321]

I just cannot wrap my ahead around this mentality of 'we should have been more respectful to him' or whatever you want to call it.

Osama Bin Laden MURDERED 3,000 people in his orchestrated attacks on 9-11-01. He orchestrated the bombing of the USS Cole and various embassies. He arrogantly gloated about everything and made it his mission to see the United States collapse. His ability to elude capture for nearly a decade was a slap in the face to his victims, their families, this country, and other countries who lost citizens on his account.

In what world did this man deserve respect or compassion!?!

exactly...F HIM...F HIS RIGHTS.. He got what he deserved

 

[Kelly]

i hate to be one of these Americans who say foreigners dont matter on this subject....but they dont.

I totally get where you are coming from....that is one of the most frustrating things on this forum...people from other countries love to do the following...

*tell us how ignorant we are...
*tell us how isolated we are as far as media...
*tell us how we stick our noses into everything (which I agree with)
*tell us how we should run our country...

BUT, in most situations....what decisions are made here, more often than not have global implications.....BUT, the arrogance of some around here from other countries is getting annoying when telling us what we should do....so to that extent I agree...

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I feel perfectly fine with Team-6 shooting Osama in the head even if he was unarmed. I feel fine with him being dumped into the sea, whether per Islamic ceremony or not. I feel fine with violating Pakistan's sovereignty (which is debatable) for one mission to nab the USA's most wanted public enemy. So basically everything that went down I feel fine about. We didn't do anything that stepped over the line. We didn't shoot him with bullets dipped in pig blood. We didn't lynch him in the middle of the WTC site. We didn't fulfill any crazy revenge fantasies. We merely executed an operation to neutralize the most dangerous terrorist alive. There was nothing we did that compromised our integrity or moral high-ground. We treated OBL with infinitely more respect than he treated his victims.

For the critics of Team-6's actions, I would love to see their composure if they were the ones creeping through Osama Bin Laden's mansion in the dead of night.

 

[Excel]

LOL @ the taliban doing O a huge political favor by admitting osama is dead

 

[roach]

I totally get where you are coming from....that is one of the most frustrating things on this forum...people from other countries love to do the following...

*tell us how ignorant we are...
*tell us how isolated we are as far as media...
*tell us how we stick our noses into everything (which I agree with)
*tell us how we should run our country...

BUT, in most situations....what decisions are made here, more often than not have global implications.....BUT, the arrogance of some around here from other countries is getting annoying when telling us what we should do....so to that extent I agree...

i believe that the US government only has to answer to the American people on this subject. I am glad people in other countries are taking an interest in our politics but in the grand scheme of things they dont matter...just as I dont matter in Japanese Politics or British Politics or Canadian Politics.

It has been vogue to hate the US for so long that the quick overnight switch back to loving our country confuses some foreigners

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I totally get where you are coming from....that is one of the most frustrating things on this forum...people from other countries love to do the following...

*tell us how ignorant we are...
*tell us how isolated we are as far as media...
*tell us how we stick our noses into everything (which I agree with)
*tell us how we should run our country...

BUT, in most situations....what decisions are made here, more often than not have global implications.....BUT, the arrogance of some around here from other countries is getting annoying when telling us what we should do....so to that extent I agree...

Plenty of *****ey Americans too, though. Hate to stereotype, but it seems to be mostly young people, teens and those in their early 20's who are the worst with the judging our country's morality and/or conspiracy theories.

And plenty of fine foreigners too. Had a drink with an Englishman the other night who was very happy about Bin Laden being put out to pasture.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Man, I know it's been days, but the enormity of this just hit me again. We actually killed Osama Bin Laden. I used to have dreams about this in the months after 9/11. Surreal. This is really something I never thought would happen. Sorry, back to the conversation in progress...

 

[mclay18]

I totally get where you are coming from....that is one of the most frustrating things on this forum...people from other countries love to do the following...

*tell us how ignorant we are...
*tell us how isolated we are as far as media...
*tell us how we stick our noses into everything (which I agree with)
*tell us how we should run our country...

Yeah. Some of them just don't get it.

And as for "isolated media", I do check more than the AP releases or what something like CNN would report and speculate about. I often check the BBC website as well as NPR. (BTW, the BBC has a handy and more thorough timeline about the intelligence hunt for bin Laden, something that AP didn't do as well.)

 

[Fading]

News said (sry if it was already discussed, didn't see anyone mention it...but this thread moves fast lol) some of the intel they found suggested Al Queada was planning an attack on the 10th anniversary. Something vague about trains. So looks like the operation is paying off already even past Bin Laden's death.



The news has also been bringing up an interesting point as well. Bin Laden felt he bankrupted Russia by getting them into a long, drawn out fight. Then he said later that he felt that's how he'd beat America. Not on the battlefield, but by getting us into long drawn out wars that drain us financially. The train thing makes sense then as it's their way of popping in to say, "Hey, don't forget us, we're still here, come get us!" while obviously hitting their main task of killing more of us again. The good news being if we got the wealth of info that it's seemingly like we got, it looks like we may be able to telegraph the next several attacks, get warnings about them in advance, and have the public help be vigilant.

 

[chamber-music]

i believe that the US government only has to answer to the American people on this subject. I am glad people in other countries are taking an interest in our politics but in the grand scheme of things they dont matter...just as I dont matter in Japanese Politics or British Politics or Canadian Politics.

It has been vogue to hate the US for so long that the quick overnight switch back to loving our country confuses some foreigners

To be fair this is a international internet messageboard everyone has an opinion and as long as they are well informed I personally don't have a problem with them voicing there opinion its not like people in the politics thread don't voice their opinions about the middle east, Europe, Asia ect when they aren't from the countries they are talking about.

 

[roach]

To be fair this is a international internet messageboard everyone has an opinion and as long as they are well informed I personally don't have a problem with them voicing there opinion its not like people in the politics thread don't voice their opinions about the middle east, Europe, Asia ect when they aren't from the countries they are talking about.

i never said they couldnt

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Man, Bin Laden lived in that compound for six years and had hundreds of flash-drives, hard-drives and other intel just stored. It's so great we didn't just bomb the hell out of that place.

There's so much juicy stuff there that we'll probably never know about. Well... maybe in a few decades when they're declassified or maybe in a few months/years when Wikileaks gets a hold of it. On a related note, this whole operation has made me rethink my opinion of Wikileaks. It's pure luck they didn't get any leaked docs and blow this operation. The administration actually moved this operation forward, because in the past couple weeks Wikileaks had released a couple details that were a bit close to what was happening (aliases of the courier I think).

 

[chamber-music]

i never said they couldnt

I wasn't specifcally saying it to you I was just using your qoute as a base to make a borad statement