Brett Ratner saved the X-Men franchise?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You have no point of reference for Jean's stance on the cure?

Really?

Did you miss the scenes where Xavier tried to cure her, where Magneto said "I think you want to give her the cure" and what happened to Xavier when Dark Phoenix out he wanted to cure/help her become more normal again?

Sorry, scene's were Xavier was trying to cure her? Didnt see him sticking a needle in her and giving her the cure or is this something you came up with to justify your liking of the movie.

Xavier didnt once bring the cure anywere near Jean, he was trying to help her not cure her.

Did you not see her reaction to Magneto telling her what the cure was being used for?

Did you not see her marching with Magneto's Brotherhood against the cure?

Did you not see what happened to the soldiers who tried to cure her?

No semblance of her stance on the cure? Are you serious?

She clearly didn't want to be cured. In any way.

I am damn serious, she went off with Magneto when she didnt even know were she was let alone there was a cure out there, so her walking with Magneto means nothing, not once do we get to see what she thought of the cure, not once, but go ahead, keep pointing out these things that no one else sees.

The soldiers fired upon her, whether it was the cure or not she would have reacted, so that is a bum point i'm afraid.

 

[The Guard]

Curing her doesn't neccessarily mean using The Cure to do so.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Again though, I dont think Xavier wanted to cure her, just help her, which is what he says in the scene "You're a danger to yourself and everyone around you but I can HELP YOU!"

I got the impression that he wanted to help her control The Phoenix not cure her of it.

 

[The Guard]

That's curing her, though. Xavier wanted to permanently suppress the part of her that was powerful and out of control, and end the threat she posed.

That's a metaphorical and a literal cure for her "mutant disease". It was very much intended to be seen as a "cure", and for her to get angry that he wanted to "cure" her ("What's wrong with me?")

 

[goh78]

"They're such rabidness fans, they're so passionate about their comic book characters that they think that their favorite character should be the star of the movie. Someone might be passionate about Iceman being the star. So, you can't win. Everyone's going to have their own so just stay away from their opinion and do what you feel's best."

I know this dude is a huge tool and I don't care for him, but...

Can't help but agree to this statement. Most of you are exactly the same way he's pegged you, whether you want to admit it or not...

And you all went to see that movie, so most of what he's saying is the Ugly Truth. (besides saying he saved the Franchise, it didn't need saving, X2 was the best).

 

[Mad Ones]

My favourite characters weren't the stars of the first two movies, but I love them anyway. There's much more to my dislike for X3 than that.

 

[lou2099]

I like X3.

 

[El Payaso]

"They're such rabidness fans, they're so passionate about their comic book characters that they think that their favorite character should be the star of the movie. Someone might be passionate about Iceman being the star. So, you can't win. Everyone's going to have their own so just stay away from their opinion and do what you feel's best."

I know this dude is a huge tool and I don't care for him, but...

Can't help but agree to this statement. Most of you are exactly the same way he's pegged you, whether you want to admit it or not...

And you all went to see that movie, so most of what he's saying is the Ugly Truth. (besides saying he saved the Franchise, it didn't need saving, X2 was the best).

Oh, Ratner is absolutely right about comic book fans on internet. Couoldn't have said it better myself.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

My favourite characters weren't the stars of the first two movies, but I love them anyway. There's much more to my dislike for X3 than that.

Exactly, one or two of my favourite character were in X3 and not in the first 2 movies yet I still prefer them 1000 times over X3.

For example, Juggernaut and Beast are 2 of my favourite characters, yet I still hated X3 with a passion.

 

[Octoberist]

i heard Satan himself likes X3.

 

[lou2099]

i heard Satan himself likes X3.

Like I said, I share his sentiment.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

I wrote this the very moment he was chosen to direct X3 in these very boards. I said in the X-Men Forums that he was a phony, an imposter, a hack and some fans said "he's not so bad bla bla bla".

I don't want to say "I told you so" but...

 

[Stripesy Strip]

I don't care what spin you want to put on it, everytime Logan believed someone died in these movies he grabbed onto someone and cried.

That's Hugh Jackman for you.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I really disliked X3 and thought Brett Ratner ruined the Franchise because what happened to Cyclops and other characters, but he is right about one thing but he should've known it already.

You will never ever get unanimous praise from any fanbase, matter what, but that's with any film. There are still people who hate the Godfather and other classics.

 

[Grommers]

Sigh,

Brett Ratner didn't save..nor did he kill the X-Men franchise..for how much story these characters have the lack of character development outside of Wolverine is pitiful.

To me, Ratner did exactly what Singer did came up with a pitiful story line, threw in some characters, and threw on "X-Men" on the front of the cover.

I personally like all the actors they chose, with my only exception being Pyro.

Ratners X-men was just to.... "what if" comic(-y). While Singers were just so...well, boring, aside from the first scene with Nightcrawler in X2...they really lacked a good action scene in singers..


To be honest, I don't give Glory to Singer or Ratner, and the fact that Ratner thinks he is some saviour maybe him and Singer should down and talk about everything they both did wrong.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

I really disliked X3 and thought Brett Ratner ruined the Franchise because what happened to Cyclops and other characters, but he is right about one thing but he should've known it already.

You will never ever get unanimous praise from any fanbase, matter what, but that's with any film. There are still people who hate the Godfather and other classics.

That's the worst excuse i've ever heard.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

if anything, I think fans are giving Ratner, too much credit...

Ratner just did his job as a director
he didn't pick the storyline, he didn't write the script

he didn't have nearly as much control or say in what happened in this movie as fans seem to think

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That's the worst excuse i've ever heard.

Haha excuse for what? I'm not defending him.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

Haha excuse for what? I'm not defending him.

Well you say the fans will never be happy and give some people hating Godfather as an example. Jeez It has nothing to do with Ratner who is a bad filmaker and clearly doesn't respect the genre. The guy wants to do the X-Men, wants to do Hannibal Lector, wants to do Conan, wants to do Superman without having the talent and passion for it. He just goes after it because those are big progects and it will be good for his career, never a care in the World that he may fk it up.

 

[Legion]

Well you say the fans will never be happy and give some people hating Godfather as an example. Jeez It has nothing to do with Ratner who is a bad filmaker and clearly doesn't respect the genre. The guy wants to do the X-Men, wants to do Hannibal Lector, wants to do Conan, wants to do Superman without having the talent and passion for it. He just goes after it because those are big progects and it will be good for his career, never a care in the World that he may fk it up.

The same could be said for Singer. He had no interest in doing X-Men at first, it took alot of convincing to get him on board.

Then he bailed out of X3 to do Superman because he thought that was the bigger franchise. Now he's trying to get back in X-Men because he sees there's money there.

He also made two subpar X films that were unfaithful, lacked character, and lacked action. Ratner and the writers for X3 had to pick up where he left off. They had to work with a storline that centered around chacaters that had been pushed aside in the previous films and were surely unfavorable now.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Well you say the fans will never be happy and give some people hating Godfather as an example. Jeez It has nothing to do with Ratner who is a bad filmaker and clearly doesn't respect the genre. The guy wants to do the X-Men, wants to do Hannibal Lector, wants to do Conan, wants to do Superman without having the talent and passion for it. He just goes after it because those are big progects and it will be good for his career, never a care in the World that he may fk it up.

Definitely. I don't like Brett Ratner (though I like the Rush Hour films). I think he's a mediocre director.

I was just speaking in general. Godfather was just a bad example.

 

[El Payaso]

i heard Satan himself likes X3.

That's a good thing to say about the movie.

 

[Octoberist]

The same could be said for Singer. He had no interest in doing X-Men at first, it took alot of convincing to get him on board.

Then he bailed out of X3 to do Superman because he thought that was the bigger franchise. Now he's trying to get back in X-Men because he sees there's money there.

He also made two subpar X films that were unfaithful, lacked character, and lacked action. Ratner and the writers for X3 had to pick up where he left off. They had to work with a storline that centered around chacaters that had been pushed aside in the previous films and were surely unfavorable now.

People make it as if X1 and X2 were so unliked by the majority. That's not the case. Oh yeah, screw Ratner. Screw him!

 

[Stripesy Strip]

Definitely. I don't like Brett Ratner (though I like the Rush Hour films). I think he's a mediocre director.

I was just speaking in general. Godfather was just a bad example.

No problem.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

The same could be said for Singer. He had no interest in doing X-Men at first, it took alot of convincing to get him on board.

Then he bailed out of X3 to do Superman because he thought that was the bigger franchise. Now he's trying to get back in X-Men because he sees there's money there.

He also made two subpar X films that were unfaithful, lacked character, and lacked action. Ratner and the writers for X3 had to pick up where he left off. They had to work with a storline that centered around chacaters that had been pushed aside in the previous films and were surely unfavorable now.

But there were different factors at play:

First Singer was a talented director coming off Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil.

Second, Singer wasn't just jumping at these genre movies just to get a career like a frantic puppy "me! me! me!" like Ratner has been doing. Singer doing X-Men was quite a commitement and he looked at every part of the concept to accept it.

Third, the mutant plight connected with Singer's sensibilities as a filmaker.

Fourth, X-Men's producer Todd Desanto was Singer's friend and he made sure that no rocks would be left unturned as he cared about the progect and he made sure Singer would become a X-Men maniac before filming began.

Fifth-and that's the most important thing-Singer created that Universe on film. He hired the actors, chose the look of the flick, overviewed the script. Without Singer it would have been quite different. While Ratner comes in as a hired gun to replace somebody at the last minute. I wouldn't say he didn't have input but that was not necesseraly his vision. There was a Wolverine before he came on board. There was a script.