The Dark Knight Burton on TDK - kind of

[DocLathropBrown]

That's the biggest load of bull-cookies I've read on these boards in a long time. Got any facts to back that up? No. I didn't think so.

It's the truth and you know it. Nearly everyone on these boards who are hardcore BB fanatics go out of their way to bash the Burton flicks and Burton fans. It's like a case of envy. They can't stand that there are some people who don't just blindly proclaim BB the best thing since sliced bread, so they feel the need to act like we're lower than dirt.

Half of the BB fanatics disgust me. I mean, bloody Hell. Nolan says no sidekicks, no Clayface? And people are okay with this? Oh, well, because it's CHRISTOPHER NOLAN, the guy who finally showed us Batman spraypainting his suit black!

Of course, that's a gross exaggeration, but you get my point. If someone feels that KEY PARTS of the SOURCE MATERIAL isn't good enough, then he should NOT be in charge of bringing the stuff to the screen. That's how we got those horribly unfaithful X-Men films. I'm not the biggest fan of Robin, but he deserves to be represented on screen. And Clayface (at least as presented in TAS) is one of Batman's best rogues.

But back to the point, A majority of BB fans are akin to mindless sheep. I don't wanna say it, but that's how most of it end up looking. And they DO go out of their way to jerk the Burtonites around.

 

[MechaOrga]

It's the truth and you know it. Nearly everyone on these boards who are hardcore BB fanatics go out of their way to bash the Burton flicks and Burton fans. It's like a case of envy. They can't stand that there are some people who don't just blindly proclaim BB the best thing since sliced bread, so they feel the need to act like we're lower than dirt.

Half of the BB fanatics disgust me. I mean, bloody Hell. Nolan says no sidekicks, no Clayface? And people are okay with this? Oh, well, because it's CHRISTOPHER NOLAN, the guy who finally showed us Batman spraypainting his suit black!

Of course, that's a gross exaggeration, but you get my point. If someone feels that KEY PARTS of the SOURCE MATERIAL isn't good enough, then he should NOT be in charge of bringing the stuff to the screen. That's how we got those horribly unfaithful X-Men films. I'm not the biggest fan of Robin, but he deserves to be represented on screen. And Clayface (at least as presented in TAS) is one of Batman's best rogues.

But back to the point, A majority of BB fans are akin to mindless sheep. I don't wanna say it, but that's how most of it end up looking. And they DO go out of their way to jerk the Burtonites around.

Batman 89 was the movie that spearheaded me making it my duty to be a part of the film making comminuty. I loved B89 for what it was: The most faithful interpritation of our friend batsy to date.....

Now some years later, after ive watched it a bajillion times, is it as good? No. Everything looks like it was filmed on set and would fall over if you pushed it with your index finger with enough force.

The reason why we BB fans seem to be mindless sheep is the fact that we, most likely being comic book fans also, are overwhelmed by the prospect of a filmmaker paying this much respect to one of our modern mythological figures.

I prefer batman with no sidekicks(especially in the nolanverse that has been established) as it gives him more of a solitary existence(echoing his sole determination after his parnt's death).However I do see robins importance in the later batman stories(slowly rebuilding his family)

You can like the burton films and BB at the same time....
IMO BB is a much better film(color pallete wise, acting wise, script-wise,structure wise....)

just my 2 cents

 

[newwaveboy87]

You can like the burton films and BB at the same time....

complete agreement with you here.

IMO BB is a much better film(color pallete wise, acting wise, script-wise,structure wise....)

both with and against you here.
color pallete - Burton
acting wise - tied
script-wise - Nolan
structure-wise - Nolan, although this might've been tied if Burton had complete his trilogy.

they both have their strong points. Nolan's is the best Batman film, and that's coming from not only a Batman fan but a HUGE Burton fan. but Burton's have their own positives like you said.

why cant we all just get along?

 

[CConn]

I have to agree with dude love and DocLathropBrown.

And actually, I agree with MechaOrga as well. He spells out exactly why Nolan and his Batman movie deserves an awful lot of praise and so forth.

But, with that said, some BB fans do overdo it. They do bash the Burton films (although, thankfully, that seems to have died down in recent months). They do over estimate BB to a gigantic degree (hell, I've had people tell me BB is better than the comics themselves). And that can, obviously, become annoying.

Of course, it's not all BB fans, it doesn't happen just from loving BB (god knows I love it), but it's just one of those over-zealous, group opinions that can come about with, well, just about anything.

 

[El Payaso]

why cant we all just get along?

I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd.

 

[CConn]

complete agreement with you here.


both with and against you here.
color pallete - Burton
acting wise - tied
script-wise - Nolan
structure-wise - Nolan, although this might've been tied if Burton had complete his trilogy.

they both have their strong points. Nolan's is the best Batman film, and that's coming from not only a Batman fan but a HUGE Burton fan. but Burton's have their own positives like you said.

why cant we all just get along?

While I agree, BB is the better movie, and better Batman movie, the thing that I really prefer with B89 is - not only do I have the emotional attachment to it - but it presents and shows a side of Batman that really wasn't shown in BB. That couldn't be shown in BB. A Gotham that's actually gothic, and artistically designed. A Batman who's a bit more mysterious, and more of a detective than Bale's Batman was. More of a stylistic approach to the character and his world as a whole. Which is a perfectly valid interpretation of the character. One that, I would honestly miss, if B89 had not been made.

That's what I think people need to realize about all the films. No one movie could fully capture Batman. After 60 years of comics, and TV shows, and movies, Batman's bigger than that. Each movie can and does present a different aspect and interpretation of Batman, and each movie can be appreciated for that. And just because BB is better, just because it presents a more, I guess, complete interpretation of the character, doesn't at all mean B89, BR, or even BF, can't be appreciated for their own merits.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i TOTALLY agree with you.
Burton's Gotham was just amazing.

BB disappointed me with it's dull looking Arkham Asylum. that place is supposed to be gothic looking and almost castle like, and instead it just looked so dull...so bland. it could've been police headquarters for all the design elements it had going for it.

i also agree with you that some of BB's Batman had lost his mystery. at times it does feel like a How-To on becoming Batman. just find this type of suit, this type of cloth, a can of spray paint, and bingo - you're Batman.

but BB's Batman DID do some detective work. so that element wasn't missing.

 

[CConn]

No, it wasn't missing, but it certainly wasn't done to the extent that it was in B89.

And, y'know, I don't really mind that BB was a How-To on becoming Batman. I don't really mind that Gotham was just...Chicago in BB. Why? Because I already have that in B89. And if I want to see that, I can see that in B89. That's the beauty of having more than one film, and more than one interpretation.

 

[newwaveboy87]

OH YEAH!

for me though, Batman's best interpretation is/was/forever shall be BTAS/BTNA

 

[CConn]

Hell yeah, it is. It was just definitive in nearly everything it did. Burton fans, Nolan fans, hell, Schumacher fans will admit that.

 

[MechaOrga]

OH YEAH!

for me though, Batman's best interpretation is/was/forever shall be BTAS/BTNA

HUUUUUUUUUGE animated series /Timmverse Fan TOO!

Just picked up JLU Vol.1 and B.Beyond Vol. 2(loving every minute of it!)

Multiple interpritaions of this mythology Kick Arse and we as fans reap the benefits.

I believe some things can be done and gotten away with in animation that can't be done live action.....jacks joker will not translate to animation as would hamil's joker translate to big screen.....

Love to see what Nolan/ledger have brewing.....

 

[newwaveboy87]

same.
Timmverse produce a kickass Superman cartoon

 

[Mr. Socko]

I wouldn't be into Batman if it wasn't for Batman '89. Begins was good, but B'89 was just legendary and iconic.

Good ol' Burton, always a crack-up.

 

[MechaOrga]

I wouldn't be into Batman if it wasn't for Batman '89. Begins was good, but B'89 was just legendary and iconic.

Good ol' Burton, always a crack-up.

what the hell is that old lady doing to that poor girl in the red!!!

 

[newwaveboy87]

that's Burton's wife Helena Bonham Carter.
they're so adorable. ^_^

 

[Mr. Socko]

I posted it to make people laugh

 

[newwaveboy87]

i laughed

 

[El Payaso]

I posted it to make people laugh

I'd be laughing if I wasn't waiting for the right time to post that very pic. t:

 

[Keyser Sushi]

And me! Marilyn Monroe did as well, so we've got ourselves a pretty kickass group of people.

Oohh... indeed we do.

I think you're the girl I've met who stutters. I'm honored!

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Is it physically possible for Bono to be seen without sunglasses? Or would he just implode on the spot?

This photo was taken by a buddy of mine at the MCI Center just over a year ago (October 19th, 2005, to be exact) during the first of U2's Washington DC shows on the Vertigo '05 Tour. I was standing beside that friend of mine when this was taken with his Olympus digital camera.

And look! No sunglasses. In front of a sold-out crowd!

(and no, he didn't implode ten seconds after this photo was taken, as proven by his appearance at the grand re-opening of the Superdome recently... )

 

[El Payaso]

I'd kill for a pic of Joey Ramone with no glasses.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't intend to turn this into an arguement. But the number of people who get offended everytime someone mentions Burton because Begins was a gift from god and Burton's films just soil the good name of Begins far outweigh any Burton fanboys. That's all I'm going to say about that.

I'll stick with the idea of not making this an argument. But I will point out that, as pertains to the people you describe above... My initial post in this thread is only hypocritical if I am one of those people.

And I'm not one of those people. So there was no hypocracy in my post.

 

[CConn]

This photo was taken by a buddy of mine at the MCI Center just over a year ago (October 19th, 2005, to be exact) during the first of U2's Washington DC shows on the Vertigo '05 Tour. I was standing beside that friend of mine when this was taken with his Olympus digital camera. And look! No sunglasses. In front of a sold-out crowd!

(and no, he didn't implode ten seconds after this photo was taken, as proven by his appearance at the grand re-opening of the Superdome recently... )

I must say, I'm shocked.

Still, he does have his eyes closed in that pic, so my belief that Bono does not, in fact, have eyes, will persist.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I'd kill for a pic of Joey Ramone with no glasses.

GABBA GABBA HEY! GABBA GABBA HEY!

I can see why. I was fortunate enough to see the Ramones live in concert at my college back in 1995 or so. But I didn't get pictures and I'm pretty sure Joey Ramone was born with the sunglasses on.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I must say, I'm shocked.

Still, he does have his eyes closed in that pic, so my belief that Bono does not, in fact, have eyes, will persist.

^^^This photo is also proof of Adam Clayton's white-boy afro.