BvS BvS: Early Tweet Discussion Thread (NO SPOILERS) - Part 5

[Sleiek]

Not sure if you're referring to me or not. I'm not "defending" the movie so much as discussing the basics concepts within it.

It's ludicrous to suggest that everyone who wants to like a movie will go into the movie and love it.

People like and dislike different things. Deal with it.

 

[Kobra]

Winner winner chicken dinner. It's MOS response/denial all over again but jacked up on roids.

I can understand people who liked it spending so much time defending it. It's also normal and healthy. What denial are you talking about? People who liked it don't recognize the same flaws that people who didn't like it saw in the movie? That's called opinions. What's bad to you is good to other people.

 

[DarthBatman]

So I am 3 hours away from seeing it and I have to say despite all the negativity I am not letting it effect me. We as movie goers and audience are so privileged to be alive when we are in this moment to see these amazing characters come to life on the big screen. I am grateful just getting the chance to witness two of my favorite characters in one movie together. I am sure the movie will have it its flaws like any movie does but I am also sure that I am going to walk out of the movie loving what I saw, I could not be more ready.

 

[sf2]

Winner winner chicken dinner. It's MOS response/denial all over again but jacked up on roids.

i know about the SR denial. MOS not so much.

however, BvS is a great movie. sad you can't see it that way.

i have read a script of yours for superman if not mistaken. i think it is typical and safe.

anyway, i hope the bashing can be reduced a bit.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Hmm, well these were screenings for marketing purposes. Maybe the context changes things?

Oh dude, yes. 100%. A screening full of PR people? Yes those can get animated. Mostly fake/for show but still. I'm talking about the test screenings for execs that consistently get reported by fanboy bloggers. Ironically I was AT one of those test screenings which made it even funnier.

 

[Poni_Boy]

So people liking a movie is "denial", but your word is gospel ?

Not at all. People desperate to defend a movie that they haven't seen is denial.

 

[Poni_Boy]

i know about the SR denial. MOS not so much.

however, BvS is a great movie. sad you can't see it that way.

i have read a script of yours for superman if not mistaken. i think it is typical and safe.

anyway, i hope the bashing can be reduced a bit.

I never wrote a script. For anything. So

 

[Da-Scribe]

Oh dude, yes. 100%. A screening full of PR people? Yes those can get animated. Mostly fake/for show but still. I'm talking about the test screenings for execs that consistently get reported by fanboy bloggers. Ironically I was AT one of those test screenings which made it even funnier.

That makes sense. I only ever heard/sawit for the movies that ended up fairing really well, so I don't think it was insincere, but still I can certainly see what you're saying be the case as well.

 

[Legendver2]

Not at all. People desperate to defend a movie that they haven't seen is denial.

Same with people who haven't seen the movie and already saying DCEU is dead. Alot of this is at best subjective, because 99% of the movie going public have yet to see this. Yet I wander in these forums and reading posts from people, and most read like 99% of the board has seen this already, which I know for a fact is not true.

It's so easy for passionate fans to get affected by opinions from others. I'd be lying if I wasn't one of them. I was already keeping an open mind and was still pretty excited despite all the negative press, until some nut spoiled something about [BLACKOUT]Batman's portrayal[/BLACKOUT] in a non spoiler thread without tags, and that brought me down. But seeing other members who's opinion I feel aligns with mine in regards to cbm's in general saying they saw it and loved it reassured me and made me still hopeful.

All I'm saying is, everything is a matter of opinions. Did I love MoS? Of course, but even I can see it's flaws upon repeat viewings. There's no denials there. Have I defended the film before? Of course, but not often as I don't really feel the need to. I know I love it, and it was successful enough for a continuation and launching a DCEU, so that's all that matters.

I know everyone has their opinions, and 90% of the time, once someone has an opinion, they're most likely going to stick to it regardless of the oppositions opinion. So I find it kind of pointless to get too passionate about defense of a film you like, or trashing a film you didn't. But sometimes the trashing can get a bit overboard, and that's when I usually step in to call out certain double standards or just try to tell people to calm down.

I know MoS has mixed reception, but a good amount of people still liked it. I take pride in the fact that even though it was mixed, it still made enough of an impact culturally that we're still talking and debating about it 3 years later. There are other movies just as mixed, worse, or better, but once the fanfare is gone, no one talks about it anymore.

I have yet to see BvS yet (10 hrs to go), so I don't know how much of an impact this film will leave once it's leaving the theaters, but just from all the build up and release, this forum has consistently been hovering from 400-1000+ viewers and visitors. So say what you will, but just know that people are passionate about the film, whether that's passionately hate it, or passionately love it.

No matter what's said by people who's opinion differs from mine, it doesn't change the fact that he DCEU is happening whether some of you like it or not. So why not we take to the example set by Superman himself (Henry Cavill), and just give support to all cbm's, because we're all in this cbm bubble together.

 

[Tra-El]

I can understand people who liked it spending so much time defending it. It's also normal and healthy. What denial are you talking about? People who liked it don't recognize the same flaws that people who didn't like it saw in the movie? That's called opinions. What's bad to you is good to other people.

Trust me, the same people who hated it are doing nothing but making their rounds spending time arguing about how fans are defending it. Like it somehow doesn't go both ways. I can see most of these threads are off the tracks and it's easy to pick through the weeds because SURPRISE, the same arguments are happening in opposite threads, haha. Go figure!

 

[Poni_Boy]

Same with people who haven't seen the movie and already saying DCEU is dead.

That's equally annoying. And in no way what is going to happen. This movie can make $5 at the BO and they'll still move forward albeit with a new creative team.

 

[chintai80]

yup, wb isn't going to stop making dc movies. the dc property is basically an untapped resource.
its just that if this isn't as successful as they need, then they will be re-thinking their strategy.
and probably reconfiguring their team and slate of movies.

 

[Poni_Boy]

yup, wb isn't going to stop making dc movies. the dc property is basically an untapped resource.
its just that if this isn't as successful as they need, then they will be re-thinking their strategy.
and probably reconfiguring their team and slate of movies.

Personally I'd rather have a failing cinematic universe rebooted every few years until they get it right than see them stop all together anyway.

 

[CGNefarious]

The cameos overall were very good. One of them I thought was OK, but another left me with my jaw dropped (metaphorically of course). A lot of the RT reviews I've read are criticising the movie for being dark and humourless. First off, it's not humourless. It's no GotG or Deadpool, but it definitely has some humour in it that lands well enough. But these reviews make me wonder what movie these critics thought they were watching? Not only does DC have a history of darker superhero movies (not to mention that Man of Steel was probably Zack Snyder's lightest film), but the trailers by and large even advertised it as being dark. It'd be like me going to see Zootopia and bashing it for not accurately reflecting the relationship between foxes and rabbits, or for its predictable and cheesy dialogue. But no critic did that, because the movie is supposed to be a funny kids movie.

Batman v Superman is dark. It takes itself seriously. And it isn't filled with excess humour. If you go in expecting it to be like Ant-Man, you will be greatly disappointed.

That said, there are flaws to the film. I feel they mostly stem from it being super dense and needing more time. Zack has said that they had to cut a lot of stuff that fleshes out some of the side plots a bit more so that the movie could be two and a half hours. And some of the reviews do point this out. But I don't think this tarnishes the movie. Especially not to the extent that the RT score would have you believe.



Also, Tra-El. I'm going to steal your BvS Theater Count: signature. I hope you don't mind too much.

 

[Legendver2]

Personally I'd rather have a failing cinematic universe rebooted every few years until they get it right than see them stop all together anyway.

They're not gonna reboot it. The next 2 films are ready or almost ready to be released, with JL starting to film. The next 2 films will be Snyder-less, so it would be a clear sign whether Snyder is good for the DCEU or not if those have better reception. My wish now is they drop Snyder to a producing position for JL and delay it a bit to find a proper director. All the casting has been praised so far even in the hater reviews, so why reboot everything when the on screen players are pretty set and accepted. They just need to find someone who can actually put all this together. A course correction is easier at this point, and more practical than a full on reboot.

 

[Tra-El]

The cameos overall were very good. One of them I thought was OK, but another left me with my jaw dropped (metaphorically of course). A lot of the RT reviews I've read are criticising the movie for being dark and humourless. First off, it's not humourless. It's no GotG or Deadpool, but it definitely has some humour in it that lands well enough. But these reviews make me wonder what movie these critics thought they were watching? Not only does DC have a history of darker superhero movies (not to mention that Man of Steel was probably Zack Snyder's lightest film), but the trailers by and large even advertised it as being dark. It'd be like me going to see Zootopia and bashing it for not accurately reflecting the relationship between foxes and rabbits, or for its predictable and cheesy dialogue. But no critic did that, because the movie is supposed to be a funny kids movie.

Batman v Superman is dark. It takes itself seriously. And it isn't filled with excess humour. If you go in expecting it to be like Ant-Man, you will be greatly disappointed.

That said, there are flaws to the film. I feel they mostly stem from it being super dense and needing more time. Zack has said that they had to cut a lot of stuff that fleshes out some of the side plots a bit more so that the movie could be two and a half hours. And some of the reviews do point this out. But I don't think this tarnishes the movie. Especially not to the extent that the RT score would have you believe.



Also, Tra-El. I'm going to steal your BvS Theater Count: signature. I hope you don't mind too much.

No problem at all! Feel free

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO, the Mexico City stuff was Fant4stic in Atlanta all over again.

 

[BH/HHH]

Winner winner chicken dinner. It's MOS response/denial all over again but jacked up on roids.

Denial? If someone likes or loves a film that is there right. That's not denial because it had a bad RT score, critics were mixed, fans didn't like it or you didn't like it. This goes for every film.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Denial? If someone likes or loves a film that is there right. That's not denial because it had a bad RT score, critics were mixed, fans didn't like it or you didn't like it. This goes for every film.

Not what I was referring to at all. I expect a big portion of fans to love it. Been saying that since he beginning.

 

[sf2]

Personally I'd rather have a failing cinematic universe rebooted every few years until they get it right than see them stop all together anyway.

who to decide what is right and what is wrong? you?
general zod becoming?

 

[CGNefarious]

Just saw it a second time with two of my friends. They saw all the negative reviews and were skeptical of it. Neither of them are really DC fans, though one did like Batman the Animated Series and Justice League unlimited. Both of them thought the movie was awesome. We even discussed it for a good half hour afterwards before my friend had to leave.

After seeing it the second time, while actively looking for why it is getting so much hate, I just don't see it. Minus the flaws I mentioned earlier, the movie is fantastic. I think the general audience is going to love it.

 

[sf2]

Just saw it a second time with two of my friends. They saw all the negative reviews and were skeptical of it. Neither of them are really DC fans, though one did like Batman the Animated Series and Justice League unlimited. Both of them thought the movie was awesome. We even discussed it for a good half hour afterwards before my friend had to leave.

After seeing it the second time, while actively looking for why it is getting so much hate, I just don't see it. Minus the flaws I mentioned earlier, the movie is fantastic. I think the general audience is going to love it.

the hardcore fans have this notion... superman must be joyful and smiling most of the time. he must be invulnerable and strong inside and outside.

 

[JtheDreamer]

the hardcore fans have this notion... superman must be joyful and smiling most of the time. he must be invulnerable and strong inside and outside.

How many more movies must people endure of Supes being an insufferable, stone-faced bore? Seriously? It's two films now.

There's something called "balance", which some fail to understand.

 

[Val_Zod]

Winner winner chicken dinner. It's MOS response/denial all over again but jacked up on roids.

That is as baseless as those claiming reviewers were always out to hate the film. Its a two way street, and why this argument has to stop.

 

[DeadStroke]

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