The Dark Knight Caine Describes Ledger's Joker

[Mr. Socko]

Here's the way I see it.

If The Joker is just a man in makeup, it's a radical change to the character's interpretation, and I'm willing to stomach it.

If The Joker is blotchy white, then I will be pissed that they couldn't have just gone the extra mile and made him all-white.

If he's normal, I can accept it because that's the way it is.
If he's blotchy, I can't accept it because of what it could have been.

Hopefully that makes more sense. Sorry if it's still confusing.

I'm in agreement with Boom.

 

[MechaOrga]

I think "splotchy" works in terms of a BIG twist.

We are led to think its make-up but alas, its really his skin (or mostly)

I Doubt this but hey, its nolan:

Twins. magicians. Clones. Telsa. Man with Amnesia, armed with a polaroid camera hunting the man who killed his wife.Robin Williams as a murderer.

Go in expecting a great interpretation of the Joker Character, and my brothers you will not be disappointed(make-up or no make-up)

 

[Ender138]

Ok. So everybody is upset because the Joker has to be the Joker by default not by choice right? They want him to be bleached white so that he can't take it off. correct?
Well this Joker has huge scars on his cheeks that give him a f****d up permanent smile on his face. That sounds pretty unremovable to me.
Now in his crazyness his puts makeup on which accentuates this facial scaring. I don't have a problem with this at all and if your reason for hating the makeup is because it is removable then you really should'nt have a problem with it either because the scars are not removable yet much more realistic than the old vat of chemical routine.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ok. So everybody is upset because the Joker has to be the Joker by default not by choice right? They want him to be bleached white so that he can't take it off. correct?
Well this Joker has huge scars on his cheeks that give him a f****d up permanent smile on his face. That sounds pretty unremovable to me.
Now in his crazyness his puts makeup on which accentuates this facial scaring. I don't have a problem with this at all and if your reason for hating the makeup is because it is removable then you really should'nt have a problem with it either because the scars are not removable yet much more realistic than the old vat of chemical routine.

you could get plastic surgery to fix that. just an fyi. I am really on both sides of it and will make my decision when the movie is out.

 

[thewhyteman]

you could get plastic surgery to fix that. just an fyi. I am really on both sides of it and will make my decision when the movie is out.

Yes indeed, wait till the movie is out. I dont understand how you can hate a movie or the direction it will go in if you never have seen it.

So many people are mad because Nolan is taking it in directions that is not exactly what they want, but Im willing to bet those critics are going to be crapping thier pants with pure glee when they are watching the movie for the first time.

Im sure I will be, probably twice.

on the plastic surgery, dude google "acid burns" then say plastic surgery can fix that.

 

[gwynplaine]

Yes indeed, I dont understand how you can hate a movie or the direction it will go in if you never have seen it.

So many people are mad because Nolan is taking it in directions that is not exactly what they want, but Im willing to bet those critics are going to be crapping thier pants with pure glee when they are watching the movie for the first time.

Im sure I will be, probably twice.

Yes, Sir, I concur, I will be crapping my pants with pure glee.

 

[Sam18]

I'm not gonna eat anything for a few days. I'll go in prepared.

 

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

I think you guys fail to see the possiblility of both Jokers in the movie.

I think at the end of TDK something will happen to Joker that does permanently makes his skin white.

If it is true that he does not die in this movie then he could have a complete transformation at the very end of the film just like the ScareCrow at the end of Batman Begins.

It would be a To be continued sort of transformation.

The Scarecrow wasn't completely himself to me, till the very end of Batman Begins when he rides off on that horse mentally messed up by his own toxin and his face probably scarred. He won't take that mask off again I like that to me that truly makes him Scarecrow.

I think there is still possibility that The Joker will have the same fate at the end of TDK.

 

[gwynplaine]

I'm not gonna eat anything for a few days. I'll go in prepared.

Lol. Wise man.

 

[Stotch]

The Scarecrow wasn't completely the himself to me till the very end of Batman Begins when he ride off on that horse mentally messed up by his own toxin and his face probably scarred. He won't take that mask off again I like that to me that truly makes him Scarecrow.

I think there is still possibility that The Joker will have the same fate at the end of TDK.

Man I loved that about Scarecrow! I mean it was almost like an introduction to the scarecrow! Too bad he won't continue it much in the sequel

But I do agree with Joker slowly evolving, but I think it'll be throughout the film, rather than just in the end.

 

[gwynplaine]

Man I loved that about Scarecrow! I mean it was almost like an introduction to the scarecrow! Too bad he won't continue it much in the sequel

But I do agree with Joker slowly evolving, but I think it'll be throughout the film, rather than just in the end.

Yeah I also believe he will evolve throughout the movie (getting worse and worse physically and mentally and becoming more and more Jokerlike ).

 

[thewhyteman]

I'm not gonna eat anything for a few days. I'll go in prepared.

HAHAHAHAH

 

[deathfromabove]

Ok. So everybody is upset because the Joker has to be the Joker by default not by choice right? They want him to be bleached white so that he can't take it off. correct?
Well this Joker has huge scars on his cheeks that give him a f****d up permanent smile on his face. That sounds pretty unremovable to me.
Now in his crazyness his puts makeup on which accentuates this facial scaring. I don't have a problem with this at all and if your reason for hating the makeup is because it is removable then you really should'nt have a problem with it either because the scars are not removable yet much more realistic than the old vat of chemical routine.

exactly what i and some others have been saying for years. some aspect of his appearance is still permanant and irremovable. traditionally his white skin, red lips, and green hair. sometimes it has been lipstick for his smacker and sometimes the grin is abnormally large and seemingly fixed but the effect is the same. he cannot "take off a mask" and look like a normal joe. he then uses this physical deformity and runs with it (purple zoot suits, awesome quilted socks, clown themed knick knacks lying around his flat etc...). now we have someone who has a smile carved into his face. and before someone says it:

you could get plastic surgery to fix that. just an fyi. I am really on both sides of it and will make my decision when the movie is out.

yes you could get gashes like that fixed but if you let them heal and scar over they would never completely go away. and besides he clearly didnt get them repaired and would the joker really get plastic surgery to remove a convenient smile from his face? if you follow that logic the comic book joker could just get up every morning and apply makeup and some hair dye. certainly alot easier than plastic surgery.

where was i... so now we have a joker who still has a permanant deformity that enhances his appearance of a deranged harlequin of hate. the specifics have changed but the purpose and effect is the same. and judging from the nolans' desire to simultaneously present these characters in a fresh light while maintaining a faithfulness to the source i would say this fits perfectly.

kinda of like how the clown mask(s) are substituting for the red hood gang and the bat loose in the study stands in for the bat flying in the window. its like moving the camera around the room to give you just a slight tweak on what you already have seen before.

 

[CaptainClown]

yes you could get gashes like that fixed but if you let them heal and scar over they would never completely go away. and besides he clearly didnt get them repaired and would the joker really get plastic surgery to remove a convenient smile from his face? if you follow that logic the comic book joker could just get up every morning and apply makeup and some hair dye. certainly alot easier than plastic surgery.

where was i... so now we have a joker who still has a permanant deformity that enhances his appearance of a deranged harlequin of hate. the specifics have changed but the purpose and effect is the same. and judging from the nolans' desire to simultaneously present these characters in a fresh light while maintaining a faithfulness to the source i would say this fits perfectly.

kinda of like how the clown mask(s) are substituting for the red hood gang and the bat loose in the study stands in for the bat flying in the window. its like moving the camera around the room to give you just a slight tweak on what you already have seen before.

The only point I was trying to make was that you could take it away easier if you wanted to. Lets say he got the gashed mouth and then didn't crack he could go and get it fixed. Saying that is what makes him crack isn't as impactful because he could get that fixed.

 

[lixdexia]

The only point I was trying to make was that you could take it away easier if you wanted to. Lets say he got the gashed mouth and then didn't crack he could go and get it fixed. Saying that is what makes him crack isn't as impactful because he could get that fixed.

but him not getting it fixed makes the cracking more powerful imo

 

[CaptainClown]

but him not getting it fixed makes the cracking more powerful imo

eh, I see it as he is crying over spilt milk. It isn't somethign eh should crack over since it is fixable. Now screwed up skin doesn't quite work the same way and you look ridiculous. Rather then having a scared mouth, look at the Captain in Pans Labryinth he was just pissed.

 

[lixdexia]

eh, I see it as he is crying over spilt milk. It isn't somethign eh should crack over since it is fixable. Now screwed up skin doesn't quite work the same way and you look ridiculous. Rather then having a scared mouth, look at the Captain in Pans Labryinth he was just pissed.

i don't think just a physical deformity would make him crack either. i thing he is the product of a series of events which ended with the scaring/permawhite. that's why i prefer the scaring, if he could get it fixed and doesn't he's accepting his role and throwing himself into it, as opposed to permawhite where he's stuck with it no matter what.

 

[CaptainClown]

i don't think just a physical deformity would make him crack either. i thing he is the product of a series of events which ended with the scaring/permawhite. that's why i prefer the scaring, if he could get it fixed and doesn't he's accepting his role and throwing himself into it, as opposed to permawhite where he's stuck with it no matter what.

well I think the grin really doesn't trigger him into acting like a clown as much as white skin. Hell I would freak if I had white skin I look scary as hell, but if I had the grin I dunno I think I might enjoy looking scary. It all depends on how you perceive and how tragic the accident is

 

[bane]

You guys didn't realy think Nolan is gonna make him permawhite did you?
It's not gonna fit into the world he created in Begins, and it's imposible for someone to get his skin bleached by getting droped into a vat of chemicals...

 

[TheBatman072]

You guys didn't realy think Nolan is gonna make him permawhite did you?
It's not gonna fit into the world he created in Begins, and it's imposible for someone to get his skin bleached by getting droped into a vat of chemicals...

You know what else is impossible?


Fear Gas
Successful Batman
Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows
Microwave emitter not vaporizing the water in people


So yeah.

 

[bane]

You know what else is impossible?


Fear Gas
Successful Batman
Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows
Microwave emitter not vaporizing the water in people


So yeah.

Well yes, but the permawhite joker is the most impossible thing of the ones you mentioned

 

[dark_b]

Well yes, but the permawhite joker is the most impossible thing of the ones you mentioned

of course it is

 

[bane]

of course it is

OK....Name ONE living person that has bleached skin from being dropped into chemicals

 

[TheBatman072]

Well yes, but the permawhite joker is the most impossible thing of the ones you mentioned

Uh, no.


There are chemicals that can bleach your skin.

 

[Luchastyle]

i don't think the permawhite thing is as impossible as it is sorta cheesy. i mean, him having permanently white skin isn't cheesy but the way it happened in the comics is. it shouldn't have happened so instantly. it should take much longer to really work. like it damages his skin cells and they slowly start to lose pigment. i think that works better. he's just like "it stings, something in the water" then he looks in the puddle and he's instantly insane. and it's batman's fault because batman made him swim through there? (not true, he chose not to go to jail by escaping, thus sealing his own fate). i'm not saying i don't like the killing joke origin. it's fine. but i'm saying others can work just as good

as far as i'm concerned there is no official joker origin, and there shouldn't be. i think he can be permawhite sometimes, he can wear make-up sometimes, sometimes he has scars, sometimes he doesnt, sometimes he's dirty, sometimes he's not. it's more like "how did you perceive him?" it's like rashoman.

the joker is open to interpretation and i dont think any ONE interpretation is more valid than another.