Can someone explain this new points system for infractions

[Fran]

So reporting what I thought was a death threat was a point-earning offense?

 

[DOG LIPS]

So reporting what I thought was a death threat was a point-earning offense?

Remember when I told you not to think, or you'd hurt yourself?


There you go.

 

[Fran]

But aren't we supposed to report offensive posts (ones that cross the line, etc.) if we feel to do so? I mean, don't they take like 20 seconds to investigate?

 

[DOG LIPS]

Maybe they thought you were abusing the report button.

 

[Lackey]

I must again point out the gayness of the point system.

 

[jaguarr]

It's not like these points are probation or a ban, they are just one point. Be good for a while and it goes away. It takes THREE points to even get ONE day of probation. Yes, they are being slapped on minor things, but that's what they are there for. Something to use when it's not a probation-worthy offense. Just a; "Oi! Cut it out!"

Yes, but it also makes it easier to just punish people for things without having to really understand whether what they did was wrong or not. It allows for lazy moderating practices and there's now a whole rash of people cropping up who've been given infractions for things they've done in the past, prior to the system being put in place, without even a warning or for things that weren't even really wrong at all. This indicates that either the rules of what is acceptable here have changed without any communication of said changes to the people who post here or moderators are applying even more of their bias than before around what THEY think is or isn't acceptable or if they have issues with a certain poster. I mean, hey...we all know Lucas is a jackass (but he's OUR jackass, dammit! ) but if the guy honestly received a death threat then I shudder to think that he would be punished for turning to our moderator staff for help over it. It's like the Hype! condones death threats, now, but won't tolerate people like Fried Gold making self-deprecating jokes. Seems like an awful lot of mixed signals being sent and no real sense of order about how this new system should be used by the moderators. That's all I'm saying.

jag

 

[Morg]

So reporting what I thought was a death threat was a point-earning offense?

It's not the first time I got a report from you and nothing concret was really worth a alert

farmerfran But aren't we supposed to report offensive posts (ones that cross the line, etc.) if we feel to do so? I mean, don't they take like 20 seconds to investigate?

Took me longer because the report you sent was the wrong post, and I wasn't the only mod confused from that alert. I thought you were pissed of that harmless gif posted but when you claimed that 'death threat' and I checked it wasn't a death threat at all. If YOU took 20 seconds to re-read her post you would know a alert wasn't merit

 

[Morg]

'Trolling', apparently.

Yeah, I've formally requested that it be rescinded.

Not going to happen, I seen others post of yours I deleted because all you did was complain about the thread in question. Last one was to carp about a thread that was 'dumb'

 

[Abaddon]

It'd be nice if someone actually made an effort to sticky the new infraction system so that posters are aware of how these things effect us.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Yes, but it also makes it easier to just punish people for things without having to really understand whether what they did was wrong or not. It allows for lazy moderating practices and there's now a whole rash of people cropping up who've been given infractions for things they've done in the past, prior to the system being put in place, without even a warning or for things that weren't even really wrong at all. This indicates that either the rules of what is acceptable here have changed without any communication of said changes to the people who post here or moderators are applying even more of their bias than before around what THEY think is or isn't acceptable or if they have issues with a certain poster. I mean, hey...we all know Lucas is a jackass (but he's OUR jackass, dammit! ) but if the guy honestly received a death threat then I shudder to think that he would be punished for turning to our moderator staff for help over it. It's like the Hype! condones death threats, now, but won't tolerate people like Fried Gold making self-deprecating jokes. Seems like an awful lot of mixed signals being sent and no real sense of order about how this new system should be used by the moderators. That's all I'm saying.

jag

That's too many damn words, I'm not reading that!!

dog

 

[jaguarr]

That's too many damn words, I'm not reading that!!

dog

Well, let me ask you this, then. If you guys won't take any of the posters seriously, how can you expect any of them to take you seriously? I know you're just trying to be funny and all, but it sort of underscores a keystone of the problems you guys are encountering as mods. *kershrug*

jag

 

[Fran]

Yes, but it also makes it easier to just punish people for things without having to really understand whether what they did was wrong or not. It allows for lazy moderating practices and there's now a whole rash of people cropping up who've been given infractions for things they've done in the past, prior to the system being put in place, without even a warning or for things that weren't even really wrong at all. This indicates that either the rules of what is acceptable here have changed without any communication of said changes to the people who post here or moderators are applying even more of their bias than before around what THEY think is or isn't acceptable or if they have issues with a certain poster. I mean, hey...we all know Lucas is a jackass (but he's OUR jackass, dammit! ) but if the guy honestly received a death threat then I shudder to think that he would be punished for turning to our moderator staff for help over it. It's like the Hype! condones death threats, now, but won't tolerate people like Fried Gold making self-deprecating jokes. Seems like an awful lot of mixed signals being sent and no real sense of order about how this new system should be used by the moderators. That's all I'm saying.

jag

Well, I guess I did misread it wrong to some point, but I mean, I could've gotten a PM saying "Look, that wasn't a death threat, but I'm not giving you a point, okay?" But it's really not worth fighting anymore. And Female Torch DOES have a reputation for being horribly mean and offensive, and the post was both.

There should be, like, a manual the mods have to read before the board is finished updating, before we all migrate back here, so that they are ready for what posts NEED to be infracted and what DOESN'T have to be infracted upon.

And I'm proud to be the Official Hype! Jackass

fran

 

[Morg]

Yes, but it also makes it easier to just punish people for things without having to really understand whether what they did was wrong or not. It allows for lazy moderating practices and there's now a whole rash of people cropping up who've been given infractions for things they've done in the past, prior to the system being put in place, without even a warning or for things that weren't even really wrong at all. This indicates that either the rules of what is acceptable here have changed without any communication of said changes to the people who post here or moderators are applying even more of their bias than before around what THEY think is or isn't acceptable or if they have issues with a certain poster. I mean, hey...we all know Lucas is a jackass (but he's OUR jackass, dammit! ) but if the guy honestly received a death threat then I shudder to think that he would be punished for turning to our moderator staff for help over it. It's like the Hype! condones death threats, now, but won't tolerate people like Fried Gold making self-deprecating jokes. Seems like an awful lot of mixed signals being sent and no real sense of order about how this new system should be used by the moderators. That's all I'm saying.

jag

If the death threat was legit I would had deal with the poster who made it BUT that wasn't what he was reporting the complaint about. I was(and another mod) totally confused when I hit the link and the post he complained adout was a harmless gif, no threats in it. Hell it was cute fuzzy something in it, hardly threaten. When he mention the death threat, I went back and re-read several pages and saw no death threat at all. Also it's not his first time he made a report about a complaint that turns out totally bogus

 

[Lackey]

It's not the first time I got a report from you and nothing concret was really worth a alert



Took me longer because the report you sent was the wrong post, and I wasn't the only mod confused from that alert. I thought you were pissed of that harmless gif posted but when you claimed that 'death threat' and I checked it wasn't a death threat at all. If YOU took 20 seconds to re-read her post you would know a alert wasn't merit

Not going to happen, I seen others post of yours I deleted because all you did was complain about the thread in question. Last one was to carp about a thread that was 'dumb'

I knew there was something Morgy about farmerfran and Fried Gold's complaints.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Well, let me ask you this, then. If you guys won't take any of the posters seriously, how can you expect any of them to take you seriously? I know you're just trying to be funny and all, but it sort of underscores a keystone of the problems you guys are encountering as mods. *kershrug*

jag

Well the point system is also up to each individual Mod. If you posted porn ANY red-name would ban your face off. These lighter "crimes" are a lot different. Like Morg, he gave fran a point for his report cause he looked into it and it seemed fran was screwin' around and wasting time, crying wolf. I looked at the post he reported and it wasn't really a death threat, she said something like she wouldn't care if he died. The rules haven't changed, if you act up, you get in trouble. How much trouble is up to the Mod that crosses your path. That's why I joked, because where can this debate go? One man's joke is another man's insult. *shrizzugle*

 

[jaguarr]

If the death threat was legit I would had deal with the poster who made it BUT that wasn't what he was reporting the complaint about. I was(and another mod) totally confused when I hit the link and the post he complained adout was a harmless gif, no threats in it. Hell it was cute fuzzy something in it, hardly threaten. When he mention the death threat, I went back and re-read several pages and saw no death threat at all. Also it's not his first time he made a report about a complaint that turns out totally bogus

Yeah, well whip him till he bleeds, then! Otherwise the damn dog won't lurrrrn nuthin'!!!!!


jag

 

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, well whip him till he bleeds, then! Otherwise the damn dog won't lurrrrn nuthin'!!!!!


jag

Racist!

 

[jaguarr]

Well the point system is also up to each individual Mod. If you posted porn ANY red-name would ban your face off. These lighter "crimes" are a lot different. Like Morg, he gave fran a point for his report cause he looked into it and it seemed fran was screwin' around and wasting time, crying wolf. I looked at the post he reported and it wasn't really a death threat, she said something like she wouldn't care if he died. The rules haven't changed, if you act up, you get in trouble. How much trouble is up to the Mod that crosses your path. That's why I joked, because where can this debate go? One man's joke is another man's insult. *shrizzugle*

This illustrates another root of the problem, though; inconsistency in moderating where one moderator will allow something but another will punish people for the same thing. It was a complaint long before the point system came into existence and the point system has only accentuated the problem from what I'm observing.

And, fran...reporting a death threat from The Female Torch?

jag

 

[Fran]

Well, honestly, I'm surprised that she hasn't been banned yet. I mean, as soon as she comes into a thread, she just gets all uppity (yeah, I said uppity ) and just insults/offends everyone. And when we try to call her out, she just gets worse. I've lightened up on her, and I've called her out on things when it was needed, and she just ignores it and moves on, like she's 100% correct everytime.

 

[jaguarr]

Well, honestly, I'm surprised that she hasn't been banned yet. I mean, as soon as she comes into a thread, she just gets all uppity (yeah, I said uppity ) and just insults/offends everyone. And when we try to call her out, she just gets worse. I've lightened up on her, and I've called her out on things when it was needed, and she just ignores it and moves on, like she's 100% correct everytime.

So? And this affects you personally, how? She just makes herself look like an ass. Are you trying to compete with her? Ignore her.

jag

 

[DOG LIPS]

franny's got a giirrrllffrriieeenndd. :heart:

 

[Morg]

This illustrates another root of the problem, though; inconsistency in moderating where one moderator will allow something but another will punish people for the same thing. It was a complaint long before the point system came into existence and the point system has only accentuated the problem from what I'm observing.

And, fran...reporting a death threat from The Female Torch?

jag

Actually he reported this as the so call death threat:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r245/anakkencoer/dot_spot.gif

Last I recall posting something cute wasn't consider a death threat

 

[DOG LIPS]

This illustrates another root of the problem, though; inconsistency in moderating where one moderator will allow something but another will punish people for the same thing. It was a complaint long before the point system came into existence and the point system has only accentuated the problem from what I'm observing.

jag

Yeah, but that can't really be fixed. Mods are on at different times, and yes, even in different moods. If someone posts in a Batman thread and says: "Kiss my ass!!!" for no reason, one Mod could give an infraction and call it spamming, one could call it trolling, and one Mod who knows the guy is a constant jerk could delete the post and give the guy probation. We all react differently and we all see things in different ways. The only similar trait we have is a red username, and the rules of the board. I am usually very relaxed and joking, so I may not be quick to punish for something little and I pass by, whereas another Mod could see it and think; "This guy is just trying to cause trouble. I'll give him a point to give him the hint."

 

[jaguarr]

I would like for Morg and DOG LIPS to try a little harder to justify their actions and outlook to me, please. The effort thus far has been unsatisfying. Thanks in advance.

(Maybe you should put as much effort into explaining things to the people who had these issues in the first place. Just thinking out loud.)

jag

 

[Darthphere]

Seriously, is it that much to make a sticky explaining this new system?