The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[deathfromabove]

Im basically done here since some of the girls here cant stand a difference of opinion without a rant.

 

[DerTommissar]

Quote by THE GUARD: “Since you have all of 14 posts, I will be gentle.”

As a newbie I appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me. I am trying to solve the Mystery of the Dark Knight Leggings and you bring a lot to the table with your replies.

Quote by THE GUARD: “Thank you for stating the obvious and missing the point entirely. I'd rather fall off a motorcycle in a suit that protected me from falling three stories on fire than a suit that was designed to protect me if I fell off a motorcycle. I don't know anyone who wouldn't. This is my point. "I need this suit for added protection" is just a STUPID reason to have the suit. He clearly already had a ton of protection.”

I understood your point just fine. I just wanted to underline the value of armor protection and it’s relationship to Batman’s survival in the Nolan Universe. With the “on-fire fall” from BB, his upper-body, (not his legs), takes most of the impact when he lands on the top of that car in the alley. Looks like the shielding provided by the Nomex torso did it’s job there. The BB suit didn’t have rigid armor sections on the legs and I wonder if the new segments on the DK suit might be a helpful upgrade? Yes, the BB suit provided protection, but maybe the DK suit provides even more? (Especially for the lower body). Why do you think that is stupid? Also, the new design might not only benefit Batman during a motorcycle crash. Here is another example: a knife fight. Would you rather have your leg stabbed with the armor or without it? And for all we know, the new DK suit might protect him from the type of fall mentioned above even BETTER than than the BB suit.

Quote by THE GUARD: “I won't deny that the mesh will minimize the heat and perspiration. But minimizing it, in the long run, just really is not going to matter.”

Again, look at football and other sports. Sports equipment definitely values ventilation. Look at hockey and football uniforms. Military equipment as well. Why invite painful and unhealthy skin and circulation problems that could inhibit athletic or combat performance when you CAN do something about it?

Quote by THE GUARD: “And certainly doesn't matter enough to make the suit look so damned awful.”

Well, here we almost agree. The arrangement and shapes of the slabs, or “puzzle pieces”, might have been designed into a more logical (and aesthetically pleasing?) final product…maybe by relating to actual muscle shapes and their placement. That would definitely be worth exploring.

Quote by THE GUARD: “You are missing the point. The point is not whether mesh is an effective ventilator. The point is whether it FEELS different to the person in the suit. It doesn't. When you're compressed in a suit, you're generally not going to feel a whole lot of heat on your legs, arms, etc. The heat will be felt on your head, neck, upper back and chest.”

Guard, I follow you with no difficulty. I understand your statement but then see real world examples that do not support it, (see above). Yes, I agree the heat felt from the waist up can be challenging, but that does not mean you just disregard everything below the belt. And it's not always about what you FEEL; you don't necessarily feel anything when you are first developing what will become a terrible rash...soldiers in the military are regularly having to deal with this and it can create serious problems that can hinder their performance.

Quote by THE GUARD: “He's just standing there begging to be shot in the mouth.”

Actually, that is one design element that never changes: Batman’s muzzle is always exposed, so yes he can be shot in the mouth, (even in that perfect batsuit that must inhabit your imagination).

Quote by THE GUARD: “How is that "formidable"?”

How is Bats formidable in this photo? His head is tipped forward with that unflinching glare which always gives Batman a strength to his expression…this is true in the comics as well. The layering of mesh and armor look impenetrable but flexible…it is dense and heavily textured, which is a complaint for some, but I like that it displays a design sensibility we have seen in other Wayne Tech creations like the Tumbler and the Batpod. And if I was a criminal, and I saw all that protective shielding, I might just choose to RUN, (instead of pulling a weapon). The lighting here shows more of the cowl’s detailing which gives Batman a feral and animalistic presence. Based on that picture, I wouldn’t want to fight him. Would you?

Guard, just out of curiousity, who are some of the comic artists that have drawn batsuits you would particularly like to see influencing a Batman movie suit? It may surprise you after all my posts, but I agree with many people on the boards that we are yet to see the “Grail” of Batman movie suits.

 

[Hotwire]

Reading some of these posts regarding the new suit, I have to throw my two cents in. This is the first Batman suit in the movies where the man can turn his head. Did any of you stop to think that the sectional armor is to increase his range of motion? Most of you seems to want his comic book moves with an armored suit of some kind. Well, if the armor is solid, you limit your range of motion and can't do certain things, like turn your head. The suit was made for function, not fashion.

 

[hame4479]

Reading some of these posts regarding the new suit, I have to throw my two cents in. This is the first Batman suit in the movies where the man can turn his head. Did any of you stop to think that the sectional armor is to increase his range of motion? Most of you seems to want his comic book moves with an armored suit of some kind. Well, if the armor is solid, you limit your range of motion and can't do certain things, like turn your head. The suit was made for function, not fashion.

Exactly, and while it may not be entirely in line with what is traditionally acceptable in the batverse in Nolan's film it makes more than perfect sense, especially when one stops to consider the title and its relation to the armor like appearance of the suit. I bet for the third Nolan will mix it up again and maybe give many of you something more akin to what you are expecting. That being, a more streamlined version of this suit with an outside layer that gives it a more classic appeal. Maybe who knows?

 

[BatMatt]

Any pics?

 

[Vastatio]

Reading some of these posts regarding the new suit, I have to throw my two cents in. This is the first Batman suit in the movies where the man can turn his head. Did any of you stop to think that the sectional armor is to increase his range of motion? Most of you seems to want his comic book moves with an armored suit of some kind. Well, if the armor is solid, you limit your range of motion and can't do certain things, like turn your head. The suit was made for function, not fashion.

4,000+ posts and you still haven't figured out that logic is non-existent here?

 

[conan69]

"The suit was made for function, not fashion. "

Except like the example I pointed out, alot of the, as someone put it," puzzle pieces" of this suit do nothing for practical function. So youre argument actually supports the opposite position IMHO.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9139/scan0001ee0.jpg
What practial function can the seperating of the chest piece give??? How about how the top ab protection seperates into 2 pieces - with 2 different colors BTW. How about the slits on the blades on his gaunlets. Looks cool(to some prob), but theyre not there for function. Theres shapes all over this thing - it makes a cool action figure I guess.

Its the mesh that allows for the new flexibility - I dont understand why they felt the need to go overboard with the armored pieces design.

I dont have a problem with the seperation of the headpiece and cape or the new mobility of the head.

I dont have a problem with the mesh as it makes sense and Ive LONG said I would prefer a combination of mesh & armor to movie Batmans suits.

" The arrangement and shapes of the slabs, or “puzzle pieces”, might have been designed into a more logical (and aesthetically pleasing?) final product…maybe by relating to actual muscle shapes and their placement."

Right.



And no I dont think weve seen THE one great Batsuit in a film yet.

 

[bunk]

Reading some of these posts regarding the new suit, I have to throw my two cents in. This is the first Batman suit in the movies where the man can turn his head. Did any of you stop to think that the sectional armor is to increase his range of motion? Most of you seems to want his comic book moves with an armored suit of some kind. Well, if the armor is solid, you limit your range of motion and can't do certain things, like turn your head. The suit was made for function, not fashion.

No offense, but these ideas have been explored literally since the first photo was released. In the context of the film, I would agree it's mostly for function and not as much appearance other than the basic theme.

In the real world however, it has been designed to "look cool" and hopefully to look practical as well. So in the context of reality, it's just not a great design. It happens.

 

[The Shape]

 

[Kaizer]

looks kinda...um...fat

 

[Judson Caspian]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9139/scan0001ee0.jpg
What practial function can the seperating of the chest piece give???

Separated is one thing. But having the upper and lower parts in two different shades is a ****ing abomination to mankind. What's most disturbing is that they probably didn't even take notice of the bra-like appearance when they designed the suit.

 

[Savage]

...Man does that collar/shoulder area remind me of Darth Vader. That's just going to keep bugging me. I pretty much just like it because it's Batman now. If I try to not...directly look at the suit, I'm fine. That thing is just...busy.

I like that he actually looks kinda big in this shot though. I like how they were this close to using a finer material but then someone couldn't help but slap some rubber on there. I hope this suit is turned inside out for the next movie. That material should really be on top.

 

[Superhobo]

"Aaaaand boogie!"

 

[SheldonLevene]

Bravo. Cool shot. I do think he looks a bit thicker here possibly just the pose, but I'm cool with it. The legs are actually starting to bother me less each time I see more of them.

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

I just wish it was less silverish- maybe a darker tone, and darker lighting in the cinematography will make it all look/fit better...After all, Batman was not DESIGNED to stand in front of flashbulbs at photo shoots- he's the Dark Knight, lurking in shadows...I have no worries...

 

[bunk]

...Man does that collar/shoulder area remind me of Darth Vader. That's just going to keep bugging me. I pretty much just like it because it's Batman now. If I try to not...directly look at the suit, I'm fine. That thing is just...busy.

I like that he actually looks kinda big in this shot though. I like how they were this close to using a finer material but then someone couldn't help but slap some rubber on there. I hope this suit is turned inside out for the next movie. That material should really be on top.

I see the Vader in there too, it's... unfortunate to say the least.

 

[Sandouras]

Separated is one thing. But having the upper and lower parts in two different shades is a ****ing abomination to mankind. What's most disturbing is that they probably didn't even take notice of the bra-like appearance when they designed the suit.

i honestly dont see the bra.

 

[Super Kal]

I do... unfortunately

 

[Judson Caspian]

i honestly dont see the bra.

There it is.

 

[Sandouras]

There it is.

Okay, remember BTAS batman? Yeah, part of his cape/cowl was covering the area around his collarbones and his upper manboobs.
Thats how i see this inverted triangle. I hope you get what i mean.

 

[Sandouras]

Well, maybe those cheekbones on the BB cowl were over the top, but the inverted triangles that took their place in this one arent better. He looks alien. At least in BB he looked ****ing pissed!

 

[the_monk]

You guys are idiots. What Batman is wearing is clearly a Manziere, also known as a Bro.

It is NOT a bra.

 

[Super Kal]

you can say that without resorting to name calling.

 

[Super Kal]

Well, maybe those cheekbones on the BB cowl were over the top, but the inverted triangles that took their place in this one arent better. He looks alien. At least in BB he looked ****ing pissed!

yeah, on this cowl, it looks like he doesn't even show emotion in the least

 

[bunk]

You guys are idiots. What Batman is wearing is clearly a Manziere, also known as a Bro.

It is NOT a bra.

Velcro in the back?